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Can Success Be Bought With Money?

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can money really buy u sucess if u dont have the population? if some lad died in say america and left say carlow [or leitrim] gaa 200 million to win a senior all ireland in hurling or football in 10 years could they? Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 11/10/2020 13:13:03 2296793 Link
If spent correctly and effectively over a long period of time money will almost certainly improve performance. Investment in facilities and coaching makes a big difference at grassroots level and then at the elite level there is a whole industry based around performance improvement. Professional teams spend an absolute fortune on the above for good reason. Whether you could improve Leitrim or Carlow to the point of All Ireland contenders coming from the relatively low base they are at is very doubtful. You are always going to be constrained by demographics and socio economic factors in smaller counties. You might get a once in a lifetime team that could make a run but keeping them together and focused might be the issue. Culture and heritage plays a part too, take the Kilkenny or Tipperary hurlers, there is huge local prestige involved in playing with them and it opens all sorts of doors professionally and socially. I'm not sure that is there in smaller counties that aren't competing at the top level. It is a big part of keeping guys involved in what is becoming a more and more demanding role with every passing year. The level of commitment and sacrifice at the top level is crazy now and can only really be done with a lot of support and understanding from employers and family. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 12/10/2020 12:45:45 2296976 Link
Incoming bitter Kerrymen in 3....2....1... ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 12/10/2020 12:50:31 2296978 Link
Seriously - another topic on this - just like telling people there is a sweet shop giving away free sweets.... Very predictable outcome..... clamor of kids losing the run of themselves.... Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 12/10/2020 12:55:13 2296979 Link
Money certainly can buy success, there's many examples of that in football and other sports. The Gaa is a bit different of course although Dublin have proven that even in an amateur competition, where transfers are quite rare, that once money is used efficiently, success can still be bought. Now obviously population is hugely important and Dublin always had that advantage but smaller counties could vastly improve their fortunes on the pitch if some crazy old yank left them €200m. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 12/10/2020 13:14:31 2296981 Link
Hopefully, we might have to rely on it soon when all our talent retires. ;) TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 12/10/2020 13:32:26 2296984 Link
I'd say give Jim McGuinness 5 million euros and 5 years and he'd win an allireland with Leitrim. Jim Gavin could probably do it in the same time frame but he'd probably need 50 million euros :-0 KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/10/2020 14:01:49 2296991 Link
Replying To ConnollyDub: "Incoming bitter Kerrymen in 3....2....1..." Jeez, you could've left that off. TBF anything they say now will be rightly referred to you as starting it. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 12/10/2020 14:32:17 2297006 Link
You need money to build something that's for sure. An inter county team does not run on air. If the proper coaching structures are put in place over time then yes you can be successful. You also need talented players. Look at what Monaghan and Roscommon have been doing in recent years with small populations. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 12/10/2020 14:45:38 2297012 Link
Replying To Stmunnsriver: "can money really buy u sucess if u dont have the population? if some lad died in say america and left say carlow [or leitrim gaa 200 million to win a senior all ireland in hurling or football in 10 years could they?"]Not unless they can transfer players from other counties, money can only bring you so far, despite what's said about Dublin, they had to have the players with the natural ability. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 12/10/2020 14:47:20 2297015 Link
We have one of the wealthiest men in Ireland as our main sponsor. We've won 2 all Irelands since 1940. So no, it can't. It helps but hard work, talent and a bit of luck are a lot more important. skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 12/10/2020 14:56:17 2297016 Link
Replying To skillet: "We have one of the wealthiest men in Ireland as our main sponsor. We've won 2 all Irelands since 1940. So no, it can't. It helps but hard work, talent and a bit of luck are a lot more important." Well said....! Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 12/10/2020 14:59:26 2297018 Link
Replying To skillet: "We have one of the wealthiest men in Ireland as our main sponsor. We've won 2 all Irelands since 1940. So no, it can't. It helps but hard work, talent and a bit of luck are a lot more important." I see where you're coming from, money alone certainly isn't enough to get over the line. Hard work, talent, good/prudent management (both financial and on field) and yes a little bit of luck are all very important. But money should not be dismissed either, if you have a huge finacial advantage over everyone else and if you use your money well than that will translate to success on the field. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 12/10/2020 15:12:11 2297020 Link
Its important and you need it. You need to player population too. No counties under 100k ppl will win sam every again IMO. This is where Roscommon, Monaghan etc will fall short always. You need to culture for it (nebulous type term I know...but a strong GAA culture in communities, good club set ups etc for football and/or hurling). You defo need all three of those to get near winning sam. You probably need a bit of luck from time to time (ref Mayo and lack thereof). Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 12/10/2020 15:18:22 2297025 Link
When you think back to 1991 when Kerry Group, one of the largest multinationals in Ireland began sponsoring Kerry GAA. They were in the doldrums. Then just a few short years later they're contesting and winning multiple All-Irelands. Pretty sure they sponsored them with money and not magic beans so I'd had say there's merit in the suggestion yeah. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 12/10/2020 15:22:01 2297028 Link
Replying To Stmunnsriver: "can money really buy u sucess if u dont have the population? if some lad died in say america and left say carlow [or leitrim gaa 200 million to win a senior all ireland in hurling or football in 10 years could they?"]No. You need the GAA on board to support you as well and you'll need to have all your matches at home, have your own dressing rooms, reserved terrace for your supporters and a population about 40 times that of competing counties. The money does help give you a professional setup though and a back room setup alone the size of other competing counties. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 12/10/2020 15:24:58 2297029 Link
Replying To brian: "Jeez, you could've left that off. TBF anything they say now will be rightly referred to you as starting it." Come on Brian, look at the title of the thread. Its inevitable the Bitter Kerry Mob will sink their teeth into this one. Regardless of my comment. ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 12/10/2020 15:41:34 2297031 Link
Replying To Htaem: "I see where you're coming from, money alone certainly isn't enough to get over the line. Hard work, talent, good/prudent management (both financial and on field) and yes a little bit of luck are all very important. But money should not be dismissed either, if you have a huge finacial advantage over everyone else and if you use your money well than that will translate to success on the field." Id never dismiss how important having money is to put together a challenge on the all Ireland. Suppose where I'm coming from is simple enough. We've never been short financially in Limerick but between winning the all Ireland's in 1973 and 2018 we lost 5 finals and 5 semi finals. We challenged but couldn't get over the line. I'd have finances behind talent, luck and good management in that order. skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 12/10/2020 16:08:44 2297039 Link
Replying To Crinigan: " Replying To Stmunnsriver: "can money really buy u sucess if u dont have the population? if some lad died in say america and left say carlow [or leitrim gaa 200 million to win a senior all ireland in hurling or football in 10 years could they?" No. You need the GAA on board to support you as well and you'll need to have all your matches at home, have your own dressing rooms, reserved terrace for your supporters and a population about 40 times that of competing counties. The money does help give you a professional setup though and a back room setup alone the size of other competing counties."]Jeez - you are in great form today.... Hope your shadow doesnt get too close to you today or it will be in big trouble..... Perfect name by the way... Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 12/10/2020 16:11:29 2297040 Link
Replying To ConnollyDub: "Come on Brian, look at the title of the thread. Its inevitable the Bitter Kerry Mob will sink their teeth into this one. Regardless of my comment." I don't disagree with you ;) But you can be sure when it happens that all they'll say is that a dub started it ;) brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 12/10/2020 16:56:19 2297061 Link