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Where is the unfair advantage? Fossa were lucky to win on Sunday. Only for the contributions of the two Cliffords, (13 points between them), they would have been annihilated. Should county players only be permitted to play at senior level and not with their parish team? Rathmore won because of the county goalkeeper, playing at full-forward, scored 1-3 from play, and the contribution of their goalkeeper, playing in his first game in Croke Park since 1996, making him approximately 45 years of age. Some unfair advantage here. Give it a rest. You play what is before you and should never look for excuses. I wonder if any of the opposing players are complaining? I doubt it. Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 18/01/2023 20:25:39 2453028 Link 0 |
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There's none so blind as those who will not see - there's no issue with Cliffords or anyone else playing for THEIR club. The questions are about grading of teams to some sort of level playing field when it comes to provincial and all Ireland competitions.
benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 19/01/2023 10:31:11 2453049 Link 0 |
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Again how is this possible when counties don't have the same amount of clubs? Adding clubs to a different level just for the sake of it is also no good. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/01/2023 10:40:57 2453050 Link 0 |
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Take a look at the hurling club championship structures - as with all these things if there is a will there's a way.
benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 19/01/2023 11:46:32 2453062 Link 0 |
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The point being made relates to stronger counties. Kerry could easily have 16 senior clubs at a relatively similar standard to Tyrone, Galway, Mayo, Kildare etc. Even counties with weaker senior clubs like Meath, Westmeath and plenty more have more senior clubs than Kerry. The fact that they have only 8 senior clubs gives their intermediate champions a big advantage in the All-Ireland competition. The advantage also filters down to their junior winners. I don't agree that they should change however. As I've said, every county should run a system that they believe serves them best. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2034 - 19/01/2023 13:52:06 2453092 Link 0 |
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More counties especially the counties with a lot of clubs/big geographically should certainly change to be more like Kerry.. Tipp could and should do it in hurling You could have clubs such as Burgess/Portroe/Ballinahinch/Ballina/Newport all together. Theyre generally been small-weak at senior level or junior or intermediate but a combined side would be a strong senior side with the clubs then competing at intermediate etc and you could have same with lorrha/shannon rovers/borrisokane Then in west tipp you could have a senior side based out of tipp town with aherlow/arravale rovers/emly/lattin culllen all together. then another based in cashel with cashel/golden kilfeacle/rockwell rovers together Kerry possibly could have more individual clubs on their own at senior level but standards would drop at all levels and they woudnt be as competitive. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3496 - 19/01/2023 14:58:10 2453099 Link 0 |
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You are indeed correct but the fault kind of lies in the gaa hierarchy. We have our divisional teams in Kerry which I think is brilliant as it gives everyone even from division 6 a chance to play County championship football. However the gaa I believe made a rule to cut the county championship down to 16 teams leaving 8 divisional teams and 8 senior. I think they should allow at least 24 teams play and then Kerry could have 16 senior teams. It would suit alot of intermediate clubs in Kerry while also lesseni g Kerry s advantage at club in the interned té and junior at national level.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 19/01/2023 14:58:22 2453100 Link 0 |
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That's a very good point. I do think with only 8 senior clubs, some of the divisional teams can also be very strong. East Kerry for example were extremely strong this year due to the large pick of clubs they had (I know they'll be losing Rathmore next year). It's tough on clubs like Dingle who would probably have at least one county titles in recent years, but for East Kerry being so strong over the past 3 or 4 years. I think 16 club teams is a good sized senior championship for most strong football and hurling counties. Galway is in the process of reducing from 20 to 16 teams at the request of GAA HQ, which I think is a good move even though it will make it more challenging for my own club to stay senior. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2034 - 19/01/2023 16:40:02 2453113 Link 0 |
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Spot on. You are very knowledgeable on the system in Kerry. Yes if there were more senior teams then the divisional side would nt be as strong and the likes of East Kerry would nt have Rathmore or Legion either meaning they would be missing the likes of Paul Murphy Shane Ryan and James Ó Donoghue. The senior clubs would be better off with more senior teams.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 19/01/2023 17:41:48 2453118 Link 0 |
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When Kerry had 16 clubs in the senior division it was a farce. The competition was over before a game was played such was the talent imbalance between the top eight and the next eight. Dr. Crokes, Kerins O'Rahillys, Dingle, Na Gael, Spa, Kenmare,Templenoe, and now Rathmore, are now the senior teams. Austin Stacks (who hit a purple patch this year) were relegated. It took Fossa, Rathmore,COMBINING with eight other junior and intermediate teams to beat those teams. Templenoe are a very small club with approx. twenty players but are surviving at senior level on the backs of Adrian and Killian Spillane, Tadgh Morley, Gavin Crowley, You take any other team from Kerry and insert them into the senior ranks, just to satisfy people who see Kerry junior and intermediate teams as having an unfair advantage, and you would destroy the county senior football championship. The Kerry teams that won the junior and intermediate finals did so not because their teams were in the wrong grades but because of two exceptional performances but two players in each team on the day. Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 19/01/2023 18:01:26 2453123 Link 0 |
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Look I have no problem with Kerry's grading but that system absolutely does give their intermediate and junior champions a big advantage outside Kerry, that is just as plain to see as the nose on your face.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 20/01/2023 11:08:05 2453175 Link 0 |
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Every one to their own. Are people going to cry that a team rated in the top two in Ireland shouldn't be playing in the Div 2 league? Now that's not fair either .
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 20/01/2023 17:31:15 2453258 Link 2 |