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Or maybe People are trying to compare RTE with both public and private tv networks in a lot of other countries whose resources are multitudes of RTEs and therefore it isnt near a fair comparison.
Before the Celtic Tiger how much alternatives did irish people have for tv? That is also a factor.
Public broadcasters need income from the programmes they show. No income and they cant produce the type of shows like which you describe ie local/community issues.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 998 - 17/08/2020 18:54:06
I didn't compare RTE to TV networks in other countries, the opposite if anything. I was comparing (or contrasting) RTE now, with RTE as it was. And one of the points I was making was that a public funded channel like RTE shouldn't be required to produce the type of shows that a commercial channel needs to, its public/taxpayer funding can allow it to produce content that doesn't need to be driven by viewing figures or ad revenue.
But the main point of my post was that creativity is more important than resources. A creative person with limited resources will create something better than an unimaginative person with wider resources. Thats why I mentioned children's programming specifically, as thats an area where creativity is required more than anywhere.
As the country got wealthier, and more money became available, thinking became a little lazier. People didn't have to be as resourceful to make up for a lack of funds, so that just lead to a lack of creativity in general. So in that sense, RTE might be an allegory for the country in general.
But thats just nature, necessity is the mother of invention. The more that is done for you, the less resourceful you become. Happens everywhere.
For me, the slicker RTE tries to be, the less engaging they become.
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Replying To Marlon_JD: "Or maybe People are trying to compare RTE with both public and private tv networks in a lot of other countries whose resources are multitudes of RTEs and therefore it isnt near a fair comparison.
Before the Celtic Tiger how much alternatives did irish people have for tv? That is also a factor.
Public broadcasters need income from the programmes they show. No income and they cant produce the type of shows like which you describe ie local/community issues.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 998 - 17/08/2020 18:54:06
I didn't compare RTE to TV networks in other countries, the opposite if anything. I was comparing (or contrasting) RTE now, with RTE as it was. And one of the points I was making was that a public funded channel like RTE shouldn't be required to produce the type of shows that a commercial channel needs to, its public/taxpayer funding can allow it to produce content that doesn't need to be driven by viewing figures or ad revenue.
But the main point of my post was that creativity is more important than resources. A creative person with limited resources will create something better than an unimaginative person with wider resources. Thats why I mentioned children's programming specifically, as thats an area where creativity is required more than anywhere.
As the country got wealthier, and more money became available, thinking became a little lazier. People didn't have to be as resourceful to make up for a lack of funds, so that just lead to a lack of creativity in general. So in that sense, RTE might be an allegory for the country in general.
But thats just nature, necessity is the mother of invention. The more that is done for you, the less resourceful you become. Happens everywhere.
For me, the slicker RTE tries to be, the less engaging they become." I agree with everything you say. 100 per cent bang on
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I didn't compare RTE to TV networks in other countries, the opposite if anything. I was comparing (or contrasting) RTE now, with RTE as it was. And one of the points I was making was that a public funded channel like RTE shouldn't be required to produce the type of shows that a commercial channel needs to, its public/taxpayer funding can allow it to produce content that doesn't need to be driven by viewing figures or ad revenue.
But the main point of my post was that creativity is more important than resources. A creative person with limited resources will create something better than an unimaginative person with wider resources. Thats why I mentioned children's programming specifically, as thats an area where creativity is required more than anywhere.
As the country got wealthier, and more money became available, thinking became a little lazier. People didn't have to be as resourceful to make up for a lack of funds, so that just lead to a lack of creativity in general. So in that sense, RTE might be an allegory for the country in general.
But thats just nature, necessity is the mother of invention. The more that is done for you, the less resourceful you become. Happens everywhere.
For me, the slicker RTE tries to be, the less engaging they become.
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1762 - 17/08/2020 21:03:15Well you have to compare what competition RTE had and what other options people have now compared to before. RTE couldnt stick to what they used to do or people wouldnt stay watching.
RTE still has extensive commercial needs or else it wouldnt survive.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 17/08/2020 22:00:40
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They need to be made sing for their supper. Cut their licence fee money and try creating programmes that bring in advertising revenue. On Marlon's topic, encourage the creative people to come up with something different, while also getting revenue in from the less creative stuff like Dancing with the Stars and Ireland's fittest family. Allegedly there's a lot of competition out there from Netflix, Amazon, Sky etc but a lot of those programmes are overhyped junk. I'm convinced a lot of people in 2020 watch some shows on TV, not because they really like them, but because they want to be on a bandwagon.
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They need to be made sing for their supper. Cut their licence fee money and try creating programmes that bring in advertising revenue. On Marlon's topic, encourage the creative people to come up with something different, while also getting revenue in from the less creative stuff like Dancing with the Stars and Ireland's fittest family. Allegedly there's a lot of competition out there from Netflix, Amazon, Sky etc but a lot of those programmes are overhyped junk. I'm convinced a lot of people in 2020 watch some shows on TV, not because they really like them, but because they want to be on a bandwagon.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5727 - 17/08/2020 22:11:29 Cutting license fee will only see reductions in programmes that a public service provider makes that wont necessarily make money while keeping the less creative programmes that are rating winners.
Or maybe a lot of people watch shows because they want to discuss it with colleagues at work or friends etc and nothing to do with this websites favourite word "bandwagon"
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 17/08/2020 22:33:10
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Funny how the National broadcaster is a topic worthy of discussion on a GAA forum.
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RTE is poor value for money. Its caught between two stools. Too small to deliver the Panorama and Nature programmes like the BBC and too big to go out on a limb with innovation. They appear doomed.
RTE has never been able to make a comedy. That 'Damo and Ivor' was symptomatic of whats wrong. Throw 2 Dubs into a mixer, one from the right side and one from the wrong..some terrible actors and off you go. It was horrific. Half the country are sick of hearing Dublin accents dominate everything. Id rather watch UK TV. Its a way higher standard.
RTE is way too Liberal and progressive and has no Conservative commentary. The BBC is about to be gutted because of the same problem. Hopefully Andrew Neil gets the top job there. RTE needs balance as it is a public broadcaster. Wait for the cheerleading for Biden. It ll be as bad as CNN.
All not lost. They need a serious chief executive to show some vision and just open everything up. Theres some good people there...i can't think of anyone right now...all I can think of are the dead wood broadcasters like Tubridy, D'Arcy, ect...
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 18/08/2020 09:11:14
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Replying To bloodyban: "RTE is poor value for money. Its caught between two stools. Too small to deliver the Panorama and Nature programmes like the BBC and too big to go out on a limb with innovation. They appear doomed.
RTE has never been able to make a comedy. That 'Damo and Ivor' was symptomatic of whats wrong. Throw 2 Dubs into a mixer, one from the right side and one from the wrong..some terrible actors and off you go. It was horrific. Half the country are sick of hearing Dublin accents dominate everything. Id rather watch UK TV. Its a way higher standard.
RTE is way too Liberal and progressive and has no Conservative commentary. The BBC is about to be gutted because of the same problem. Hopefully Andrew Neil gets the top job there. RTE needs balance as it is a public broadcaster. Wait for the cheerleading for Biden. It ll be as bad as CNN.
All not lost. They need a serious chief executive to show some vision and just open everything up. Theres some good people there...i can't think of anyone right now...all I can think of are the dead wood broadcasters like Tubridy, D'Arcy, ect..." 100%, we have an awful habit of wasting money in this country and throwing good money after bad, I can't see anything salvageable from RTÉ, time to cut them all lose when their contracts are finished so as not to have to pay them redundancy, they've all milked the country enough at this stage.
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slightly off topic and having talked out how rubbish RTE comedies have been, (some of the one of sketches from Republic of Telly I have liked), the two most successful Irish comedies have not been produced by RTE, Fr Ted and Miss Brown Boys (althought we may not like it, has been hugely successful for BBC!). Added to that you have Derry Girls and Moone Boy. Also you just have to look at how many of top rated comedy shows of the past couple of decades have been written by Graham Linehan, Arthur Matthews has had successes also post Father Ted. Thrown in the likes of O'Briain, Moran, Norton. O'Dowd. On top of this the amount of successful British comedians who have Irish roots, Frankie Boyle, Steve Coogan, Peter Kay, Jimmy Carr... surely RTE should have been able to tap into this wealth of comedic talent to make some great comedy.
One of RTE's greatest successes was Lyrics Board (whilst I did not like the show) it was a hugely successful international show with the rights for it were bought around the world. Have RTE created anything in recent years which has been as successful worldwide?
Don't thing great TV needs to cost a fortune, a good idea done right is not expensive. RTE is not competing with Netflix and Amazon, but they should be able to produce shows that people want to watch, documentaries, current affairs, travelogues, good original quiz shows, for example should not be breaking the bank.
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Replying To Rosineri1: "slightly off topic and having talked out how rubbish RTE comedies have been, (some of the one of sketches from Republic of Telly I have liked), the two most successful Irish comedies have not been produced by RTE, Fr Ted and Miss Brown Boys (althought we may not like it, has been hugely successful for BBC!). Added to that you have Derry Girls and Moone Boy. Also you just have to look at how many of top rated comedy shows of the past couple of decades have been written by Graham Linehan, Arthur Matthews has had successes also post Father Ted. Thrown in the likes of O'Briain, Moran, Norton. O'Dowd. On top of this the amount of successful British comedians who have Irish roots, Frankie Boyle, Steve Coogan, Peter Kay, Jimmy Carr... surely RTE should have been able to tap into this wealth of comedic talent to make some great comedy.
One of RTE's greatest successes was Lyrics Board (whilst I did not like the show) it was a hugely successful international show with the rights for it were bought around the world. Have RTE created anything in recent years which has been as successful worldwide?
Don't thing great TV needs to cost a fortune, a good idea done right is not expensive. RTE is not competing with Netflix and Amazon, but they should be able to produce shows that people want to watch, documentaries, current affairs, travelogues, good original quiz shows, for example should not be breaking the bank." You just gave me a flash back of play the game with Ronan Collins twink and Derek Davis aaagh.
Not to mention where in the world blackboard jungle and what was the 1 with dave fanning and Gerry Ryan? I actually enjoyed that 1 to be fair.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 18/08/2020 11:04:06
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RTE is poor value for money. Its caught between two stools. Too small to deliver the Panorama and Nature programmes like the BBC and too big to go out on a limb with innovation. They appear doomed.
RTE has never been able to make a comedy. That 'Damo and Ivor' was symptomatic of whats wrong. Throw 2 Dubs into a mixer, one from the right side and one from the wrong..some terrible actors and off you go. It was horrific. Half the country are sick of hearing Dublin accents dominate everything. Id rather watch UK TV. Its a way higher standard.
RTE is way too Liberal and progressive and has no Conservative commentary. The BBC is about to be gutted because of the same problem. Hopefully Andrew Neil gets the top job there. RTE needs balance as it is a public broadcaster. Wait for the cheerleading for Biden. It ll be as bad as CNN.
All not lost. They need a serious chief executive to show some vision and just open everything up. Theres some good people there...i can't think of anyone right now...all I can think of are the dead wood broadcasters like Tubridy, D'Arcy, ect...
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1245 - 18/08/2020 09:11:14 I really hope Andrew Neil doesnt get the top job with BBC. Good interviewer but really dont think anyone who is centrally involved in the 'Spectator' should have main role in largest media org in the UK
There is plenty conservative commentary with RTE and irish media with the Iona Institute members.
RTE have make some comedies but its far from their best.
Slightly off topic and having talked out how rubbish RTE comedies have been, (some of the one of sketches from Republic of Telly I have liked), the two most successful Irish comedies have not been produced by RTE, Fr Ted and Miss Brown Boys (althought we may not like it, has been hugely successful for BBC!). Added to that you have Derry Girls and Moone Boy. Also you just have to look at how many of top rated comedy shows of the past couple of decades have been written by Graham Linehan, Arthur Matthews has had successes also post Father Ted. Thrown in the likes of O'Briain, Moran, Norton. O'Dowd. On top of this the amount of successful British comedians who have Irish roots, Frankie Boyle, Steve Coogan, Peter Kay, Jimmy Carr... surely RTE should have been able to tap into this wealth of comedic talent to make some great comedy.
One of RTE's greatest successes was Lyrics Board (whilst I did not like the show) it was a hugely successful international show with the rights for it were bought around the world. Have RTE created anything in recent years which has been as successful worldwide?
Don't thing great TV needs to cost a fortune, a good idea done right is not expensive. RTE is not competing with Netflix and Amazon, but they should be able to produce shows that people want to watch, documentaries, current affairs, travelogues, good original quiz shows, for example should not be breaking the bank.
Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 1922 - 18/08/2020 10:32:53 Very hard for RTE to tap into it when these guys are all based in London and can get paid far more to work in UK there is also far more opportunities to play big crowds.
But RTE is competing with Netflix and Amazon for viewers.
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I see black is white.
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Replying To KillingFields: "RTE is poor value for money. Its caught between two stools. Too small to deliver the Panorama and Nature programmes like the BBC and too big to go out on a limb with innovation. They appear doomed.
RTE has never been able to make a comedy. That 'Damo and Ivor' was symptomatic of whats wrong. Throw 2 Dubs into a mixer, one from the right side and one from the wrong..some terrible actors and off you go. It was horrific. Half the country are sick of hearing Dublin accents dominate everything. Id rather watch UK TV. Its a way higher standard.
RTE is way too Liberal and progressive and has no Conservative commentary. The BBC is about to be gutted because of the same problem. Hopefully Andrew Neil gets the top job there. RTE needs balance as it is a public broadcaster. Wait for the cheerleading for Biden. It ll be as bad as CNN.
All not lost. They need a serious chief executive to show some vision and just open everything up. Theres some good people there...i can't think of anyone right now...all I can think of are the dead wood broadcasters like Tubridy, D'Arcy, ect...
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1245 - 18/08/2020 09:11:14 I really hope Andrew Neil doesnt get the top job with BBC. Good interviewer but really dont think anyone who is centrally involved in the 'Spectator' should have main role in largest media org in the UK
There is plenty conservative commentary with RTE and irish media with the Iona Institute members.
RTE have make some comedies but its far from their best.
Slightly off topic and having talked out how rubbish RTE comedies have been, (some of the one of sketches from Republic of Telly I have liked), the two most successful Irish comedies have not been produced by RTE, Fr Ted and Miss Brown Boys (althought we may not like it, has been hugely successful for BBC!). Added to that you have Derry Girls and Moone Boy. Also you just have to look at how many of top rated comedy shows of the past couple of decades have been written by Graham Linehan, Arthur Matthews has had successes also post Father Ted. Thrown in the likes of O'Briain, Moran, Norton. O'Dowd. On top of this the amount of successful British comedians who have Irish roots, Frankie Boyle, Steve Coogan, Peter Kay, Jimmy Carr... surely RTE should have been able to tap into this wealth of comedic talent to make some great comedy.
One of RTE's greatest successes was Lyrics Board (whilst I did not like the show) it was a hugely successful international show with the rights for it were bought around the world. Have RTE created anything in recent years which has been as successful worldwide?
Don't thing great TV needs to cost a fortune, a good idea done right is not expensive. RTE is not competing with Netflix and Amazon, but they should be able to produce shows that people want to watch, documentaries, current affairs, travelogues, good original quiz shows, for example should not be breaking the bank.
Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 1922 - 18/08/2020 10:32:53 Very hard for RTE to tap into it when these guys are all based in London and can get paid far more to work in UK there is also far more opportunities to play big crowds.
But RTE is competing with Netflix and Amazon for viewers." I would like RTE to do more nationwide type programmes, or the Programme John Creedon hosted. Very enjoyable. Along with reeling in the years, great programmes.
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Double standards from you are hilarious
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 18/08/2020 14:49:00
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RTE is poor value for money. Its caught between two stools. Too small to deliver the Panorama and Nature programmes like the BBC and too big to go out on a limb with innovation. They appear doomed.
RTE has never been able to make a comedy. That 'Damo and Ivor' was symptomatic of whats wrong. Throw 2 Dubs into a mixer, one from the right side and one from the wrong..some terrible actors and off you go. It was horrific. Half the country are sick of hearing Dublin accents dominate everything. Id rather watch UK TV. Its a way higher standard.
RTE is way too Liberal and progressive and has no Conservative commentary. The BBC is about to be gutted because of the same problem. Hopefully Andrew Neil gets the top job there. RTE needs balance as it is a public broadcaster. Wait for the cheerleading for Biden. It ll be as bad as CNN.
All not lost. They need a serious chief executive to show some vision and just open everything up. Theres some good people there...i can't think of anyone right now...all I can think of are the dead wood broadcasters like Tubridy, D'Arcy, ect...
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RTE got 30,000,000 euros at the beginning of the year and now want more, Dee Forbes is clearly out of her depth, RTE needs restructuring, at least.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 18/08/2020 15:02:58
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Double standards from you are hilarious" You are debating an opposing view with every single poster. Again. You don't seem to take anything on board. Even your stance on the rotating Taoiseach. Bizarre stuff.
You just throw stuff out there without any facts. RTE can't do anything because of funding. Maybe if they weren't wasting millions every year they might have a chance.
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Double standards from you are hilarious" "I see you're pontificating as usual"
Says you! One of the biggest pontificators on this forum.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2466 - 18/08/2020 22:53:23
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Replying To TheFlaker: "You are debating an opposing view with every single poster. Again. You don't seem to take anything on board. Even your stance on the rotating Taoiseach. Bizarre stuff.
You just throw stuff out there without any facts. RTE can't do anything because of funding. Maybe if they weren't wasting millions every year they might have a chance." Says the hypocrite who never backs anything up.
RTE of course there is some wastage but thats similar with any media organisation.... in opinion of some people.
I dont take anything on board?
Well so do you if you look back at so many of your posts.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 19/08/2020 13:29:17
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Replying To KillingFields: "Says the hypocrite who never backs anything up.
RTE of course there is some wastage but thats similar with any media organisation.... in opinion of some people.
I dont take anything on board?
Well so do you if you look back at so many of your posts." I pointed out the drop in sports coverage. I pointed out the lack of quality guests on the Late Late, the flagship show for RTE. You can look up both of those if you wish. Tell me what else I didn't point out more clearly. I will if you want.
You pointed out funding for TG4 which you don't know much about. You want to go through the figures to back up your point ? TG4 is a drop in the ocean compared to the money RTE have and waste. I am not some radical left winger who thinks there should be no high wages anywhere etc. etc. I am stating there has been a huge drop in quality on RTE. You questioned that. Which is strange considering everyone else can see it.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "I pointed out the drop in sports coverage. I pointed out the lack of quality guests on the Late Late, the flagship show for RTE. You can look up both of those if you wish. Tell me what else I didn't point out more clearly. I will if you want.
You pointed out funding for TG4 which you don't know much about. You want to go through the figures to back up your point ? TG4 is a drop in the ocean compared to the money RTE have and waste. I am not some radical left winger who thinks there should be no high wages anywhere etc. etc. I am stating there has been a huge drop in quality on RTE. You questioned that. Which is strange considering everyone else can see it." It's pointless trying to reason at this stage
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