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Replying To jimbodub:  "Dublin just paid close to 30 million for two green sites with not a brick laid on them yet.

We have massive land procurement disadvantages in Dublin, it is what it is.

But to suggest Dublin are not spending when their spending far outweighs your own is questionable

Dubs currently train on DCU pitches in Glasnevin. It's nothing special but a hugely expensive facilities are on the way. The land has been bought"
Where did the money come from for that though?

It certainly didn't come from running Parenll Park.

Gilroy and those lads can pat themselves on the back for their percieved commercial success but that wouldn't have been possible without a huge leg up from central GAA and Sean Kelly at the time in order to buy those structures.

All the rest of us want is a fair and level playing field. Gilroy can sneer at other county boards all he wants but given the same treatment the Dubs are we could make a success of it ourselves.

You have to spend money to make money and at the moment the 3rd world counties like Meath and Kildare don't have that luxury.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/12/2020 13:02:14    2319739

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Replying To Joxer:  "We've been talking about this for years on here. A geographical, county based competition is always going to have imbalances. At the lower end of the population resource scale we have Leitrim and at the upper Dublin. If you want more equitable population/resource based competition then there's only one solution but it will do away with one of the pillars of the GAA, local identity. It would be a huge change and I just don't see it happening any time soon. Giving weaker counties more money may well be a case of throwing good money after bad. If Gilroy was right in saying that the DCB and Costello offered to assist other counties in Leinster when it comes to finances and those counties refused then that's a shocking indictment of those county chairs."
Simple. Only allow 'real Dubs' to play for Dublin. The kids of country blow-ins should play with their home counties.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1197 - 07/12/2020 13:02:21    2319740

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Replying To jimbodub:  "I found it interesting that Dublin offered knowledge and knowhow to our neighbour's in Leinster only to be given the complete cold shoulder.

While at the same time, the same heads in Leinster continually vote to keep Dublin in Croke Park.

Now can no one see how glaringly ridiculous that is?

Dublin seeked out the knowledge and knowhow of the brilliantly run Tyrone CB when they were in the need of such valuable experience and built up what they have now.

Knowledge is power.

There's a lot going on to this huge issue, there's an awful lot that could be done to improve things immediately though

1: Leinster Council Turkeys to stop voting for Christmas
2: Cancel the Spring Series
3: Give assistance to teams travelling costs from Central funding and allow those savings to go into games development in the same counties to promote the development of young players.

That's is very doable with not much fuss

It's not going to rectify the glaring problems that have existed from the very offset but it would help to address certain aspects very quickly and then give a proper in depth review across the board of what can be done long term."
Completely agree with all 3 points, especially the 3rd one. I would also add that all corporate sponsorship be put into a National fund and only when a county board has been certified by an external auditor appointed by Croke Park does that county board get their share.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 569 - 07/12/2020 13:08:27    2319742

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Man I don't hear anyone denying the claims..

Its the same lot that continually vote to keep Dublin in Croke Park and opposed Donegal's motion to remove Dublin for their Super 8 games

Is it that surprising?"
Ye couldn't make it up, assuming Gilroy is right that is and there's no reason to think that he isn't. He was right about the low number of registered players as well.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 07/12/2020 13:20:23    2319746

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a few ridiculous statements Gilroy said
NUMBER 1 mayo is the second best team of all time????
NUMBER 2 join cork and Kerry up ??????
NUMBER 3 he said Kerry beat Dublin by 27 points in 2009 which it was actually 17 points and he was the manager and he cant remember that result?????
Overall goes to show what knows so I would not listen to a word that comes out of the big mouthpiece he says talking pure ridiculous makein absolutely zero sense

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 07/12/2020 13:24:59    2319749

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Completely agree with all 3 points, especially the 3rd one. I would also add that all corporate sponsorship be put into a National fund and only when a county board has been certified by an external auditor appointed by Croke Park does that county board get their share."
Sounds good on paper

I'd support that

Only issue is the corporate funding may be impacted by not solely being attached to one representative thus impacting the amount available

I don't think it'll be like for like

Unless corporations themselves want to attach their brand/support directly to a central fund

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 07/12/2020 13:36:19    2319752

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Replying To daytona11:  "Where did the money come from for that though?

It certainly didn't come from running Parenll Park.

Gilroy and those lads can pat themselves on the back for their percieved commercial success but that wouldn't have been possible without a huge leg up from central GAA and Sean Kelly at the time in order to buy those structures.

All the rest of us want is a fair and level playing field. Gilroy can sneer at other county boards all he wants but given the same treatment the Dubs are we could make a success of it ourselves.

You have to spend money to make money and at the moment the 3rd world counties like Meath and Kildare don't have that luxury."
Hahaha

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 07/12/2020 13:37:39    2319754

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Simple. Only allow 'real Dubs' to play for Dublin. The kids of country blow-ins should play with their home counties."
Aren't they already entitled too?

I think it's unfair to suggest that a boy or girl born in Dublin aren't real Dubs because of where 1 or 2 of their parents are from

The same logic could be applied to every county

There's massive Socioeconomic dynamics at play here and there's no doubt a huge DNA drain from rural counties to urban areas

It's not just Dublin benefiting

Limerick, Cork, Galway etc etc have a large draw from surrounding counties

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 07/12/2020 13:44:54    2319755

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Hahaha"
An articulate argument from yourself as ever.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/12/2020 13:52:00    2319757

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Replying To daytona11:  "An articulate argument from yourself as ever."
I'm genuinely surprised how poorly the Dubs have reacted to the current situation. They're still dogmatically viewing this as 'us v them' and have given very little in the way of acknowledging the unsustainable advantages they have.

Any acknowledgement that does come is then immediately retracted by blaming the other Leinster counties for the current situation (not sure exactly what that's supposed to achieve). Also it's worth noting that some of us (myself included) have held their hands up and acknowledged that we've had poor county boards in the past.

But anyway we all have a stake in this, and nothing will change unless we come togother to try and definitively identify the problems and work towards addressing them.

However, standing across from each other pointing fingers will do nothing but waste more time.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 07/12/2020 14:14:59    2319769

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Overall quality of match commentary is gone to the dogs, Marty seems to be the best of a bad bunch, which isn't sayin' much. Used to enjoy the football "analysis" when Brolly was about, entertaining at the very least as you'd never know what he'd come out with. The hurling analysis is generally atrocious as well.
Only one's worth listening to are Whelan for the football and Duignan for the hurling.

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 486 - 07/12/2020 14:29:34    2319773

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Dublin s heavy defeat to Kerry in 2009 was a nonsense argument by Gilroy, because Dublin went into that match as favourites. I remember as I had a bet on it. Kerry just outplayed Dublin on the day. Gilroy made it sound like they were a small team who picked themselves up to recover. When was the last time Dublin were underdogs for a game? I thought he was quite insulting to other county boards. I think Laois for example are punching above their weight ( Division 1b hurling, Division 2 football , in the last two leinster under 20 finals , beat Dublin in hurling last year , etc ) . But Gilroy made it sound like Dublin are the only ones doing things properly

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 817 - 07/12/2020 14:41:11    2319780

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Replying To moylagh:  "Overall quality of match commentary is gone to the dogs, Marty seems to be the best of a bad bunch, which isn't sayin' much. Used to enjoy the football "analysis" when Brolly was about, entertaining at the very least as you'd never know what he'd come out with. The hurling analysis is generally atrocious as well.
Only one's worth listening to are Whelan for the football and Duignan for the hurling."
Yeh I think they really need to clear the decks at this stage. Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane aarre there about 15 years to long at this stage and really don't offer anything relevant into how the game is currently being played etc.

It seems that once you get a foot in the door with RTE it's a long term gig. McStay is another name that would back this theory up.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/12/2020 14:47:04    2319782

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Replying To daytona11:  "An articulate argument from yourself as ever."
Coming from a poster that questioned Dublin's motives for laying a wreath and not having the deceny to retract the statement even off the back of an identical wreath laying cermony by Tipp players.. I really don't give two hoots what the likes of you think of me.

Having the neck to describe yourself as "3rd World" when you have glaring advantages over many counties is utterly laughable and my post was perfectly fitting for such drivel.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 07/12/2020 14:57:32    2319788

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Coming from a poster that questioned Dublin's motives for laying a wreath and not having the deceny to retract the statement even off the back of an identical wreath laying cermony by Tipp players.. I really don't give two hoots what the likes of you think of me.

Having the neck to describe yourself as "3rd World" when you have glaring advantages over many counties is utterly laughable and my post was perfectly fitting for such drivel."
Hahahahahah

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 07/12/2020 15:12:25    2319792

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Replying To arock:  "Excellant discussion tonight on Sunday game re Dublin funding/state of Football, solutions are clear as daylight. Dublin have the solution, no one wants it!! We do favour identifying the problems of the games and correcting them no matter what they are. BUT unfortunately the traditional diehards and backwoods men in some county boards won't here of these solutions which invlove really harsh realities. Pat Gilroy articulated enthusiastically the issues and possible soultions and all the Meath lad had was a cap out looking for a a few bob as if that is going to do anything at all. In fact when Gilroy pointed out that these full time coaches are mainly in schools for their day job and they are recruiters for the GAA his response was well they coach the clubs, no they don't. GPO (means Games Promotion Officer) not coach, they usually recruit in the local schools (Na Fianna has six primary schools nearby numbering 600 per school) and 5five 2nd level schools with higher numbers still. He recruits new GAA members, if they don't they play soccer, rugby and have nothing to do with the GAA. GPO's usually run clubs nurseries that is their functions in Dublin. That won't work in Leitrim will it? Well with schools number 8 pupils that is not going to work so how is it to be addressed. What people seem to want is just moe money because they believe Dublin have buckets of it, but even if we do we spend it on the right things. Anyway there needs to be a proper fair discussion and quoting figures from 2015 is ridiculous (they where the only figures RTE could find). As Gilroy was saying if you bring in outside knowledgable people and they slay enough sacred cows, agree what the problem is, we can get a solution. But until the rest wake up and smell the coffee us Dubs have to listen to endless bellyaching."
Good man Ger. You invited the neighbours around, to tell them how you spent the Lotto winnings and they give it a miss.
How rude !

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 07/12/2020 18:09:02    2319894

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Replying To Ringsend_Dub:  "Since Brolly was chucked out, the post match commentary on RTE has declined. Now, it's too polite, timid, genteel, and boring. We miss his banter and mischievous playfulness. We don't want this sincere but sombre analysis like we got this weekend. Joyless. IMO, bring back Joe. Or huge numbers will migrate from RTE to Sky."
The "RTE" thread has been removed and rebranded GAA on TV, in doing that is it now saying, no more criticism of RTE, it's Sunday game, it's pundits, it's presenters, etc. etc. etc. Personally I thought it was all light hearted constructive criticism that stemmed from Joe Brolly's removal from the Sunday game.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3168 - 07/12/2020 18:27:45    2319905

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "a few ridiculous statements Gilroy said
NUMBER 1 mayo is the second best team of all time????
NUMBER 2 join cork and Kerry up ??????
NUMBER 3 he said Kerry beat Dublin by 27 points in 2009 which it was actually 17 points and he was the manager and he cant remember that result?????
Overall goes to show what knows so I would not listen to a word that comes out of the big mouthpiece he says talking pure ridiculous makein absolutely zero sense"
Well I agree what he said about Mayo being the 2nd greatest team of all time was ridiculous, think he was just exaggerating a point about Dublin not being unreachable. they have been knocking on the door this last 10 years though,
Cork, Donegal and Kerry are the only teams other than Dublin to win All Irelands in the last 10 years or so.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3177 - 07/12/2020 19:32:56    2319941

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Outstanding from TG4 again

https://twitter.com/SportTG4/status/1336283527608930304?s=19

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 08/12/2020 13:27:21    2320218

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Replying To sam1884:  "We love the GAA and it's the most Irish of Irish organisations. However it has never really been exported outside Ireland bar a few ex pat communities.

We like the fact it's an amateur organisation and that is it's biggest strength. The GAA is different, it's media coverage is geared towards an Irish community and as an amateur organisation should not be geared towards a worldwide commercial market because that market simply isn't there. That is the reason other sporting broadcasters will appear to have better sound effects, grapics, technology and a more clinical approach in terms of stats, statistics etc. To be honest that approach bores me to death and is very professional sport in nature - it has money behind it.

The other broadcasters have a different agenda, they have a media model used across all their sports and it's easy for them to export into GAA coverage but to me it doesn't work.

I do believe RTE's model of allowing it's guests to shoot of the hip if you like, instigating debate, showing passion and love for the games along with knowledge is the right way for the GAA market. Sadly over the last 2 years RTE have moved away from that, don't have an alternative and are left with a soul less show where guests are talked over at any hint they're moving off the pre planned script. This is making people believe the Sky coverage is world class but I don't think it is. RTE need to get back to what made the Sunday game so successful as soon as 2 years ago and they'll be fine."
RTE's coverage has been slipping this long time. Brolly provided some entertainment at least but even then the all round analysis was quite poor. The drawn game All Ireland was a disgrace with Whelan backing Dublin to the point of embarrassment and Brolly at his usual comical Ali PR role. The 'debate' on Sunday was farcical, Cavanagh's 'humble' comments on Saturday evening were delusional and irrelevant really. Only decent analysts there that would hold a candle to Sky's coverage are O Se and O' Rourke really. Sky's coverage is far superior ands they actually put in an effort, RTE almost too comfortable as they'll never lose their coverage. Obviously keeping the games free to air is a must but RTE's offer to GAA fans is bordering on farcical and pathetic.

whoareya (Donegal) - Posts: 78 - 08/12/2020 15:25:33    2320276

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