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Replying To Rosineri1: "just looking at the RTE schedule for today and it seems the majority of programmes are just foreign shows RTE has bought the rights to. Surely we have plenty of creative talent in the country who could be making some original content. TnaG has always seemed to be to be far mmore adventurous in regards to RTE in regards to making original content especially in regards to documentaries." A lot of what they show during the day is very cheap and far cheaper and easier than producing and running their own shows. TG4 through their irish language medium can get things done far easier and cheaper
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Replying To KillingFields: "A lot of what they show during the day is very cheap and far cheaper and easier than producing and running their own shows. TG4 through their irish language medium can get things done far easier and cheaper" Well that's just nonsense. TG4 make smart documentaries, it isn't because they get aid through the Irish language.
You also said RTE has not dropped it's standards over the past 15-20 years? Are you serious? Sports, chat shows etc.. all dropped massively.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Well that's just nonsense. TG4 make smart documentaries, it isn't because they get aid through the Irish language.
You also said RTE has not dropped it's standards over the past 15-20 years? Are you serious? Sports, chat shows etc.. all dropped massively." You are so antagonistic.
TG4 are good but helped hugely through their irish language focus.
What chat shows were so much better on rte 20 years ago.
What in terms of sport?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3514 - 17/08/2020 14:42:47
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I am afraid RTE is in the last chance saloon, it is financially crippled, RTE 2 is a complete basket case. It has very little to offer the viewer. Its sports coverage is becoming more and more threadbare.
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Replying To KillingFields: "A lot of what they show during the day is very cheap and far cheaper and easier than producing and running their own shows. TG4 through their irish language medium can get things done far easier and cheaper" yes I am aware its far cheaper but the quality also reflects that, having been working from home I see for example the BBC is filled mostly with shows it produces. before you reply advising BBC much bigger etc, BBC do not receive any advertising revenue unlike RTE and they also are a much larger operation than RTE. Not ground breaking stuff that BBC show during the say time, a lot of quiz shows, house renovation shows etc. Surely RTE could produce something similar rather than showing Judge Judy etc.....
Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 17/08/2020 15:01:24
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Replying To KillingFields: "You are so antagonistic.
TG4 are good but helped hugely through their irish language focus.
What chat shows were so much better on rte 20 years ago.
What in terms of sport?" This is bizarre. I am making factual statements here. You just throw stuff out there. It is not expensive to make the documentaries make. I know all about Gaeltacht funding but you are just throwing that out there.
If you didn't post so much you might have already read my previous post on chat shows where I stated what has happened with the Late Late. That isn't up for debate. It has been stated by former producers. And Sport, are you serious? The amount of live sport covered has dropped massively in the last few years. Not debating the cost of covering it, merely stating a fact that it has declined massively.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 17/08/2020 15:43:57
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Replying To KillingFields: "The financial crisis facing RTE is nothing new, in fact it's in our gene, just look at our government, equipted with a rotating Taoiseach,where would you get it, Michael Martin, who was part of that ill fated government of 2011, now in a position to draw down a Taoiseach's pension for two and a half years work, a ministerial pension, a teachers pension, etc, etc, etc.
It appears as if there's a two pronged approach to matters within the current affairs dept. A few weeks ago Barry Cowen got himself into a bit of bother for a motoring offence that happened 4 years ago which was apparently leaked.The issue was dealt with on Prime time, the Week in politics among others, he was subsequently sacked as minister for agriculture by Michael Martin, a short few days later, it was announced that Minister Eamon Ryan had decided to add 3 senior advisors to his team at a cost of over 100.000 euros each per annum and possibly 6 more on a lesser salary. The thing that hit me was not one of those that interrogated Barry Cowen about his motoring / driving license offence interviewed Eamon Ryan about his sudden desire to recruit extra senior advisors at the tax payers expense after the formation of our government was agreed, and why you may ask, well Eamon Ryan happens to be the Minister for communication, the very Minister that the final book stops with regarding RTE issues.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2028 - 15/08/2020 22:05:13 A rotating taoiseach isnt a problem. The fact we havent had many coalitions isnt a good thing for government. I agree about pensions and at all levels people shouldnt be entitled to full pensions for all these jobs that they may have worked as.
Breezy with respect i don't know what's your debate toward me is, I never said RTE were ever before throwing out brilliant shows, my point is and I think it's a valid 1 is in the last 15/20 years RTE has gotten progressly worse and worse every year. Now recently Netflix, Amazon prime and nowtv have contributed to their demise too I'll admit that but the fault mostly lies within RTE itself with money squandered in the good times and commissioning too many cheap and cringeworthy rubbish shows that they tried to pass off as comedy and entertainment. On current affairs my point is simply this, that they have a duty to the Irish people to report the news properly and hold people in power to account with proper questioning and since the ressession they failed the public in this regard. Compare Vincent Browne to RTE when questioning that smug douchebag from the IMF when they came to town, Vincent Browne grilled him, got him sweating under the collar and told him the damage they were causing to Irish society and RTE were only interested to know what did he think of us Irish and did he think Ireland was doing a good job managing austerity. That is 1 of many examples I could give you.
I would love a state broadcaster that works for the public that funds it but RTE does not do that, that is why I don't care if it goes to the wall or not. I do agree with you about depending on Murdoch/sky for news would be a disaster though, Brian Clough called him and Maxwell out on match of the day in the late 80's but did anyone listen. In Ireland we have Denis O'Brien and our government should have stepped in long ago to stop him getting an monopoly on radio and print media.
DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 606 - 15/08/2020 22:33:34 I dont think RTE necessarily has got worse over the past 15/20 years. Majority of people are simply much more used to a far wider range of channels and programmes now and RTE just cant be expected to keep up with channels with far greater income and revenues to invest in quality programming.
Seriously, are you sure you don't work for RTE, because you seem to be ok with their qaulity of service and there high salaries they pay their staff? You get paid what your worth, you really think D'arcy is worth 450,000?
DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 122 - 16/08/2020 01:53:19 I never said that. And what exactly should determine what a presenter/journalist is worth then?" A rotating Taoiseach isn't a problem? Have you been following the recent back and forth and sniping recently?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 17/08/2020 15:47:32
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Replying To TheFlaker: "This is bizarre. I am making factual statements here. You just throw stuff out there. It is not expensive to make the documentaries make. I know all about Gaeltacht funding but you are just throwing that out there.
If you didn't post so much you might have already read my previous post on chat shows where I stated what has happened with the Late Late. That isn't up for debate. It has been stated by former producers. And Sport, are you serious? The amount of live sport covered has dropped massively in the last few years. Not debating the cost of covering it, merely stating a fact that it has declined massively." You are as condescending as ever. Notice the hypocrisy?
And its a fact that the sport they covered is much reduced due to factors well outside of RTEs control and cant be used as a criticism of the channel.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3514 - 17/08/2020 16:08:05
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DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 17/08/2020 16:10:11
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Replying To Rosineri1: "just looking at the RTE schedule for today and it seems the majority of programmes are just foreign shows RTE has bought the rights to. Surely we have plenty of creative talent in the country who could be making some original content. TnaG has always seemed to be to be far mmore adventurous in regards to RTE in regards to making original content especially in regards to documentaries." I think sometimes what happens is, when you get more comfortable, you get less creative. I'm not saying RTE were ever that great, but from my perspective at least (and nostalgia may be affecting bias), RTE seemed to be able to do more when they had less (esp. prior to the Celtic Tiger era).
For instance, when it came to children's entertainment, programs from the 80' and 90's may have looked cheaper, but they were far more creative. And if international programming may have been more limited, the programming available on local/community/heritage issues back then seemed more substantial. Even nature and wildlife documentaries, by the likes of Éamon de Buitléar and Gerrit van Gelderen, stand up better than a lot of programming made currently.
Stuff like that might seem boring today, but that type of programming should be the remit of a public broadcaster, rather than lowest common denominator stuff that commercial stations rely on.
Thankfully, as you pointed out, TG4 are producing content that fills some of that that void, and thats something to be grateful for. But in general, I think the quality of what we produce depends more on the creativity and resourcefulness of the people producing it, rather than the resources available. And in general, I think the country may have lost a step or two when it comes to effort and creativity. RTE is possibly just a reflection of that.
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Replying To KillingFields: "You are as condescending as ever. Notice the hypocrisy?
And its a fact that the sport they covered is much reduced due to factors well outside of RTEs control and cant be used as a criticism of the channel." It's due to funding. And people on here are questioning salaries of close to 500k and over. I said the standard has dropped, that's all I said. Same for the talk shows. Your staunch defence is bizarre.
Feel free to respond to my point on the Late Late and TG4 funding as well. We are debating the standard of RTE. Saying they can't afford x,y and z isn't a defence for everything they do.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 17/08/2020 17:13:34
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Personally speaking, the only thing I really watch normal TV for these days is sport. TV dramas and documentaries i can get online. The rest of what TV offers is bland nothing programs to me. If its not cookery its home improvement or talkshows which are easily bettered on podcasts these days. Or else battered to death soap operas that have been about for decades.
With the rise of online superpowers like YouTube, Netflix and Amazon etc it won't be long before they take the lions share of sports coverage as well. I for one won't shed any tears for tv when this happens. Its had its day and hasn't moved with the times.
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Replying To KillingFields: "The financial crisis facing RTE is nothing new, in fact it's in our gene, just look at our government, equipted with a rotating Taoiseach,where would you get it, Michael Martin, who was part of that ill fated government of 2011, now in a position to draw down a Taoiseach's pension for two and a half years work, a ministerial pension, a teachers pension, etc, etc, etc.
It appears as if there's a two pronged approach to matters within the current affairs dept. A few weeks ago Barry Cowen got himself into a bit of bother for a motoring offence that happened 4 years ago which was apparently leaked.The issue was dealt with on Prime time, the Week in politics among others, he was subsequently sacked as minister for agriculture by Michael Martin, a short few days later, it was announced that Minister Eamon Ryan had decided to add 3 senior advisors to his team at a cost of over 100.000 euros each per annum and possibly 6 more on a lesser salary. The thing that hit me was not one of those that interrogated Barry Cowen about his motoring / driving license offence interviewed Eamon Ryan about his sudden desire to recruit extra senior advisors at the tax payers expense after the formation of our government was agreed, and why you may ask, well Eamon Ryan happens to be the Minister for communication, the very Minister that the final book stops with regarding RTE issues.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2028 - 15/08/2020 22:05:13 A rotating taoiseach isnt a problem. The fact we havent had many coalitions isnt a good thing for government. I agree about pensions and at all levels people shouldnt be entitled to full pensions for all these jobs that they may have worked as.
Breezy with respect i don't know what's your debate toward me is, I never said RTE were ever before throwing out brilliant shows, my point is and I think it's a valid 1 is in the last 15/20 years RTE has gotten progressly worse and worse every year. Now recently Netflix, Amazon prime and nowtv have contributed to their demise too I'll admit that but the fault mostly lies within RTE itself with money squandered in the good times and commissioning too many cheap and cringeworthy rubbish shows that they tried to pass off as comedy and entertainment. On current affairs my point is simply this, that they have a duty to the Irish people to report the news properly and hold people in power to account with proper questioning and since the ressession they failed the public in this regard. Compare Vincent Browne to RTE when questioning that smug douchebag from the IMF when they came to town, Vincent Browne grilled him, got him sweating under the collar and told him the damage they were causing to Irish society and RTE were only interested to know what did he think of us Irish and did he think Ireland was doing a good job managing austerity. That is 1 of many examples I could give you.
I would love a state broadcaster that works for the public that funds it but RTE does not do that, that is why I don't care if it goes to the wall or not. I do agree with you about depending on Murdoch/sky for news would be a disaster though, Brian Clough called him and Maxwell out on match of the day in the late 80's but did anyone listen. In Ireland we have Denis O'Brien and our government should have stepped in long ago to stop him getting an monopoly on radio and print media.
DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 606 - 15/08/2020 22:33:34 I dont think RTE necessarily has got worse over the past 15/20 years. Majority of people are simply much more used to a far wider range of channels and programmes now and RTE just cant be expected to keep up with channels with far greater income and revenues to invest in quality programming.
Seriously, are you sure you don't work for RTE, because you seem to be ok with their qaulity of service and there high salaries they pay their staff? You get paid what your worth, you really think D'arcy is worth 450,000?
DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 122 - 16/08/2020 01:53:19 I never said that. And what exactly should determine what a presenter/journalist is worth then?" Fair enough if your happy with RTE, I disagree I believe most of the shows RTE have commissioned in the last few years are absolute rubbish.
Hardybucks is nothing more than absolute cheap and unfunny tripe. I could give a camera to a bunch of boyracers in Charleville or Abbeyfeale to mess around with and they would probably come up with the same sort of quality content.
Bridget and Eamon and The Republic of Telly you just couldn't watch them, they are only there to give a couple of z-list comedians a gig. If that Bernard O'Shea can make a career for himself on the television there is hope for us all.
Pat Shortt 2 shows Killinascully and Matty were just stupid, most of the jokes on Killinascully were old regurgitated stuff from his time with John Kenny with the d'believeables.
There is plenty more than that I could write about too but I would be writing here all night about it. Compare them to something like the Inbetweeners in England, (granted it might not be to everyone's taste) I doubt the production costs of the Inbetweeners were very high, it was just brilliantly written, clever and witty and well acted and put together, you would laugh from start to finish. RTE would never have the courage or even the know-how to put quality content like that together.
DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 17/08/2020 17:30:37
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Replying To TheFlaker: "It's due to funding. And people on here are questioning salaries of close to 500k and over. I said the standard has dropped, that's all I said. Same for the talk shows. Your staunch defence is bizarre.
Feel free to respond to my point on the Late Late and TG4 funding as well. We are debating the standard of RTE. Saying they can't afford x,y and z isn't a defence for everything they do." Things must be bad when I'm agreeing with Mayo men, I see the snowflake is still chirping away the poor wee soul.
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It's due to funding. And people on here are questioning salaries of close to 500k and over. I said the standard has dropped, that's all I said. Same for the talk shows. Your staunch defence is bizarre.
Feel free to respond to my point on the Late Late and TG4 funding as well. We are debating the standard of RTE. Saying they can't afford x,y and z isn't a defence for everything they do.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6699 - 17/08/2020 17:13:34Its as much due to more competitors in the market and not simply funding. There is a big difference between the two.
They cant afford x, y and z is a defence of a lot of what they do. Never have i said that all that they do is right.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3514 - 17/08/2020 18:49:53
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A rotating Taoiseach isn't a problem? Have you been following the recent back and forth and sniping recently?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6699 - 17/08/2020 15:47:32 The principle of a rotating prime minister isnt an issue at all. Works well as does more varied coalitions in many european countries especially scandenavian and germany....
I think sometimes what happens is, when you get more comfortable, you get less creative. I'm not saying RTE were ever that great, but from my perspective at least (and nostalgia may be affecting bias), RTE seemed to be able to do more when they had less (esp. prior to the Celtic Tiger era).
For instance, when it came to children's entertainment, programs from the 80' and 90's may have looked cheaper, but they were far more creative. And if international programming may have been more limited, the programming available on local/community/heritage issues back then seemed more substantial. Even nature and wildlife documentaries, by the likes of Éamon de Buitléar and Gerrit van Gelderen, stand up better than a lot of programming made currently.
Stuff like that might seem boring today, but that type of programming should be the remit of a public broadcaster, rather than lowest common denominator stuff that commercial stations rely on.
Thankfully, as you pointed out, TG4 are producing content that fills some of that that void, and thats something to be grateful for. But in general, I think the quality of what we produce depends more on the creativity and resourcefulness of the people producing it, rather than the resources available. And in general, I think the country may have lost a step or two when it comes to effort and creativity. RTE is possibly just a reflection of that.
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1761 - 17/08/2020 16:29:59 Or maybe People are trying to compare RTE with both public and private tv networks in a lot of other countries whose resources are multitudes of RTEs and therefore it isnt near a fair comparison.
Before the Celtic Tiger how much alternatives did irish people have for tv? That is also a factor.
Public broadcasters need income from the programmes they show. No income and they cant produce the type of shows like which you describe ie local/community issues.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3514 - 17/08/2020 18:54:06
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Replying To KillingFields: "It's due to funding. And people on here are questioning salaries of close to 500k and over. I said the standard has dropped, that's all I said. Same for the talk shows. Your staunch defence is bizarre.
Feel free to respond to my point on the Late Late and TG4 funding as well. We are debating the standard of RTE. Saying they can't afford x,y and z isn't a defence for everything they do.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6699 - 17/08/2020 17:13:34Its as much due to more competitors in the market and not simply funding. There is a big difference between the two.
They cant afford x, y and z is a defence of a lot of what they do. Never have i said that all that they do is right." This is the exact opposite of your argument about updating Hoganstand.
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Replying To KillingFields: "It's due to funding. And people on here are questioning salaries of close to 500k and over. I said the standard has dropped, that's all I said. Same for the talk shows. Your staunch defence is bizarre.
Feel free to respond to my point on the Late Late and TG4 funding as well. We are debating the standard of RTE. Saying they can't afford x,y and z isn't a defence for everything they do.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6699 - 17/08/2020 17:13:34Its as much due to more competitors in the market and not simply funding. There is a big difference between the two.
They cant afford x, y and z is a defence of a lot of what they do. Never have i said that all that they do is right." I said the quality of content has dropped. You asked me where? I said where and I explained why. And competitors is a small part but not relevant when you are talking about a huge drop in sports coverage and the standard of their flagship chat show. You questioned where the quality had dropped in sports coverage as if it was speculation.
Also you point at other countries and floating leadership. Again not relevant. We are talking about the current Irish government and the performance of the 2 parties who are sharing leadership.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7908 - 17/08/2020 19:05:50
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Replying To DUALSUPPORT: " Replying To KillingFields: "The financial crisis facing RTE is nothing new, in fact it's in our gene, just look at our government, equipted with a rotating Taoiseach,where would you get it, Michael Martin, who was part of that ill fated government of 2011, now in a position to draw down a Taoiseach's pension for two and a half years work, a ministerial pension, a teachers pension, etc, etc, etc.
It appears as if there's a two pronged approach to matters within the current affairs dept. A few weeks ago Barry Cowen got himself into a bit of bother for a motoring offence that happened 4 years ago which was apparently leaked.The issue was dealt with on Prime time, the Week in politics among others, he was subsequently sacked as minister for agriculture by Michael Martin, a short few days later, it was announced that Minister Eamon Ryan had decided to add 3 senior advisors to his team at a cost of over 100.000 euros each per annum and possibly 6 more on a lesser salary. The thing that hit me was not one of those that interrogated Barry Cowen about his motoring / driving license offence interviewed Eamon Ryan about his sudden desire to recruit extra senior advisors at the tax payers expense after the formation of our government was agreed, and why you may ask, well Eamon Ryan happens to be the Minister for communication, the very Minister that the final book stops with regarding RTE issues.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2028 - 15/08/2020 22:05:13 A rotating taoiseach isnt a problem. The fact we havent had many coalitions isnt a good thing for government. I agree about pensions and at all levels people shouldnt be entitled to full pensions for all these jobs that they may have worked as.
Breezy with respect i don't know what's your debate toward me is, I never said RTE were ever before throwing out brilliant shows, my point is and I think it's a valid 1 is in the last 15/20 years RTE has gotten progressly worse and worse every year. Now recently Netflix, Amazon prime and nowtv have contributed to their demise too I'll admit that but the fault mostly lies within RTE itself with money squandered in the good times and commissioning too many cheap and cringeworthy rubbish shows that they tried to pass off as comedy and entertainment. On current affairs my point is simply this, that they have a duty to the Irish people to report the news properly and hold people in power to account with proper questioning and since the ressession they failed the public in this regard. Compare Vincent Browne to RTE when questioning that smug douchebag from the IMF when they came to town, Vincent Browne grilled him, got him sweating under the collar and told him the damage they were causing to Irish society and RTE were only interested to know what did he think of us Irish and did he think Ireland was doing a good job managing austerity. That is 1 of many examples I could give you.
I would love a state broadcaster that works for the public that funds it but RTE does not do that, that is why I don't care if it goes to the wall or not. I do agree with you about depending on Murdoch/sky for news would be a disaster though, Brian Clough called him and Maxwell out on match of the day in the late 80's but did anyone listen. In Ireland we have Denis O'Brien and our government should have stepped in long ago to stop him getting an monopoly on radio and print media.
DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 606 - 15/08/2020 22:33:34 I dont think RTE necessarily has got worse over the past 15/20 years. Majority of people are simply much more used to a far wider range of channels and programmes now and RTE just cant be expected to keep up with channels with far greater income and revenues to invest in quality programming.
Seriously, are you sure you don't work for RTE, because you seem to be ok with their qaulity of service and there high salaries they pay their staff? You get paid what your worth, you really think D'arcy is worth 450,000?
DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 122 - 16/08/2020 01:53:19 I never said that. And what exactly should determine what a presenter/journalist is worth then?" Fair enough if your happy with RTE, I disagree I believe most of the shows RTE have commissioned in the last few years are absolute rubbish. Hardybucks is nothing more than absolute cheap and unfunny tripe. I could give a camera to a bunch of boyracers in Charleville or Abbeyfeale to mess around with and they would probably come up with the same sort of quality content. Bridget and Eamon and The Republic of Telly you just couldn't watch them, they are only there to give a couple of z-list comedians a gig. If that Bernard O'Shea can make a career for himself on the television there is hope for us all. Pat Shortt 2 shows Killinascully and Matty were just stupid, most of the jokes on Killinascully were old regurgitated stuff from his time with John Kenny with the d'believeables. There is plenty more than that I could write about too but I would be writing here all night about it. Compare them to something like the Inbetweeners in England, (granted it might not be to everyone's taste) I doubt the production costs of the Inbetweeners were very high, it was just brilliantly written, clever and witty and well acted and put together, you would laugh from start to finish. RTE would never have the courage or even the know-how to put quality content like that together."
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I've had my fill of RTE. They are hopeless. From a sporting perspective they have been missing in action since the start of Lockdown. I dont wanna name names but there are several of their sports team and you would have to question where they are or what they've been doing. There seems to be no innovation. Also the lack of knowledge of many of their sports broadcasters is striking. I genuinely believe the first part of any interview to work in sports media, should be a test of sporting knowledge. Most of them in RTE would fail it miserably. Newstalk by contrast have been really innovative throughout the pandemic and never reduced their sporting output. The depth of knowledge of the likes of Brian Kerr on Virgin Media for example would put RTE to shame, who prefer to have former jockeys, DJs, camogie players etc bluffing their way through other sports. It's a joke. Thank God for TG4 too.
Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 768 - 17/08/2020 20:23:49
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