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Should The Sloithar Be Redesigned

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "But how do you do that at club level, the referee is already under enough pressure?"
It is important not to overload the ref. In fact a clock would help him. Along side the time clock a stopped time clock can start automatically. Resets when time clock restarts. The ref knows it is legit time out or someone delaying the game. Clocks are in every little mickey mouse hockey rink. It is not rocket technology or huge cost and clubs could have it. I think it would be wise just to use just for senior club games. At the beginning anyway.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 986 - 05/08/2020 01:03:23    2286406

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "No, the 13m rule doesn't apply from open play, for obvious reasons, and has no bearing on such rucks. However, I'd disagree in relation to the subjectivity of interfering with play and would say reffing this would be entirely down to individual interpretation to the point where consistency would be impossible. Similarly, how would you phrase the rules in this regard? When would a third player become entitled to go for the ball? How would you designate the two players who are challenging for a ball when it breaks among several? I don't see the ruck as that big a deal as I would argue that in the majority of cases (at least more than half), a player will get the ball in hand and there's no requirement to throw it in. If there is a requirement to throw it in, just apply the 13m rule like the ref is supposed to.."
Kurt_Angle for all the improvements in hurling entertainment I still think rucks are a horrible sight and adding nothing to the game. It would be interesting to see how much time of over all play in a game is used up on these rucks. Then add the amount of time the ref is dinking around blowing it up and throwing it in also. There is also a trend in my opinion. A player will get blown up for over carrying coming out of a ruck. However if the ref has thrown it in players seem to be able to get away with this. It is if he does not want to blow down play again.
My suggestion may not be the best one but some thing should be done to negate this sorrowful looking sight. Zero skill involved and time wasted. If we want to see rucks go to a rugby game. Adds nothing to our game.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 986 - 05/08/2020 01:19:11    2286407

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Great points throughout this thread. Having read about the ball being throw in i wonder why this is still a big part of hurling yet if you pull over your head you will probably get a yellow card or red. The throw in is the only time a ball is ever really pulled on and it is always done by the referee.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 192 - 05/08/2020 11:59:48    2286443

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Yes something needs to be done to ensure we don't end up with an exciting, high scoring game which has no 'pulling aimlessly' on the ground.

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 631 - 05/08/2020 12:21:13    2286447

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Replying To Canuck:  "It is important not to overload the ref. In fact a clock would help him. Along side the time clock a stopped time clock can start automatically. Resets when time clock restarts. The ref knows it is legit time out or someone delaying the game. Clocks are in every little mickey mouse hockey rink. It is not rocket technology or huge cost and clubs could have it. I think it would be wise just to use just for senior club games. At the beginning anyway."
A clock starting and stopping just legitimises time wasting by teams who want to break momentum as well though. We want less stoppage, not more.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 868 - 05/08/2020 12:58:45    2286454

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "A clock starting and stopping just legitimises time wasting by teams who want to break momentum as well though. We want less stoppage, not more."
I think the opposite. It will decrease stoppage time because you can penalize time wasting.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 986 - 05/08/2020 14:44:49    2286463

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If you look closely at the rucks that end up in a throw in there will always be at least one leg and sometimes several legs planted in the ruck to try and prevent anyone scooping the ball up or out. Ive seen many players enter the ruck with their legs first making no attempt to hurl the ball. Its impossible to expect any player to pull on a ball in a ruck without fouling. How you punish it is another matter,..

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 602 - 05/08/2020 16:47:08    2286477

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