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Straight Knockout In SFC, Advantage Who?

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Most good athletes can keep a player quiet if their sole job is exactly that. I.e. Stick to him like glue for the whole 70 mins. We have lads at club level who do this job on the other team's best players. They're athletically capable of doing what's needed, but aren't the best footballers themselves. I remember Phil Neville doing a brilliant man-marking job on Vieira, when Vieira was at his peak. He didn't give him a second to breathe, but we all know which of them was by far the better player.
Fenton was still far more prominent in both of last year's All-Irelands than Barry in terms of getting on the ball, despite one of them solely having a 'stopper' role.
Fenton has contributed far more creatively than any other midfielder in the game over the last 5 years. He's also the best kicker of a ball in that position."
I know, sure every team in the country has 1or2 of those type of playersand they're needed as well but Jack Barry has more skill than we're allowed to see.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10994 - 01/07/2020 14:11:32    2282542

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Replying To rhudson:  "i can guarentee you one thing MR Royal Dunne
The dubs wont be wiping the floor with galway
We are gonna give them a good rattle
Mr p joyce will see to that"
You would be better served to wait until you've seen a Championship performance before guaranteeing anything.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 290 - 01/07/2020 14:28:52    2282547

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Fentin is a very good midfielder (from good Kerry stock) playing on a very good team but Jack Barry has kept him quite the last 3-4 times they met and that's a fact.

I thought Tommy was a decent minor but you obviously haven't seen much if anything of Mark O'Connor where I and other Kerry people have, so you can take my word for it if Mark was back home fentin would only be the 3rd best midfielder in the country."
As I already stated Mark O Connor has not played senior so we cant judge.A brilliant minor but senior a different league and one cant argue about Brian Fenton s brilliance.I saw plenty of Mark as a minor for the record

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 01/07/2020 15:16:51    2282557

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "As I already stated Mark O Connor has not played senior so we cant judge.A brilliant minor but senior a different league and one cant argue about Brian Fenton s brilliance.I saw plenty of Mark as a minor for the record"
Ya I'm sure you did Kerrymick.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10994 - 01/07/2020 15:35:32    2282559

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Most good athletes can keep a player quiet if their sole job is exactly that. I.e. Stick to him like glue for the whole 70 mins. We have lads at club level who do this job on the other team's best players. They're athletically capable of doing what's needed, but aren't the best footballers themselves. I remember Phil Neville doing a brilliant man-marking job on Vieira, when Vieira was at his peak. He didn't give him a second to breathe, but we all know which of them was by far the better player.
Fenton was still far more prominent in both of last year's All-Irelands than Barry in terms of getting on the ball, despite one of them solely having a 'stopper' role.
Fenton has contributed far more creatively than any other midfielder in the game over the last 5 years. He's also the best kicker of a ball in that position."
We're more then happy, with Jack Barry on Fenton, Fenton just drifts him out and makes space through, look how much the Dublin half back lined scored and over the two games, absolute field day.

Not so sure Jack Barry marking Fenton is to the oppositions benefit to be honest, it's micro analysis stuff, there is a way bigger picture to that dynamic.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3388 - 01/07/2020 16:22:27    2282566

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "No apology required, it was actually one of the Donegal lads that brought up Mark initially. As I have said I think it's time to draw a line under it. Some of his former club mates post on here and it's a bit of a sore point with them as you can imagine because they are a senior team that is competing for silverware after a long drought.

Yes the Hanleys were a tremendous loss to Mayo by all accounts. You can't blame anybody for going though. It's such a wonderful opportunity.

How do you see Mayo going in 2020? Is there another sting in their tail? Galway would be my tip for Connacht along with most others going by the predictions thread but Mayo are well capable of beating them on a given day. You'll need some of the young guns to take a big step forward though."
I think most people are right to go with Galway out of Connacht this year. There's more than a fair chance that by the time the championship kicks off Galway will have relieved Mayo of the league title and Div 1 status as a side-effect. That said we don't know what we'll have players-wise. Mattie Ruane will presumably be back (assuming he's not going to the AFL), as will Jason Doherty and maybe even Boyler. Fionn McDonagh is another who wasn't available for the league, but he had a good first season before that. It's all ifs and buts though, so the first we'll see what's in the tank will be the league game with Galway. Like every year with Mayo, you hope for the best and they usually give you something.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2101 - 01/07/2020 18:53:27    2282585

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Replying To Pericles:  "I think most people are right to go with Galway out of Connacht this year. There's more than a fair chance that by the time the championship kicks off Galway will have relieved Mayo of the league title and Div 1 status as a side-effect. That said we don't know what we'll have players-wise. Mattie Ruane will presumably be back (assuming he's not going to the AFL), as will Jason Doherty and maybe even Boyler. Fionn McDonagh is another who wasn't available for the league, but he had a good first season before that. It's all ifs and buts though, so the first we'll see what's in the tank will be the league game with Galway. Like every year with Mayo, you hope for the best and they usually give you something."
Not sure how that came out again... could be wine related:)

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2101 - 01/07/2020 20:21:56    2282597

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I don't think the knock-out format favours any team in particular (other than the usual observation that the Ulster teams have a much tougher path through their province than Dublin or Kerry) but I think the time of year increases the chances of some big upsets. There likely will be some games played in miserable weather on tight, heavy pitches and the conditions could be a great leveller. Also, with the games coming thick and fast every week, players will not have much recovery time, which will likely result in more players missing games through injuries, and this could be an important factor.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 810 - 01/07/2020 21:59:14    2282611

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya I'm sure you did Kerrymick."
Doubting Thomas -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2012 - 01/07/2020 23:56:54    2282625

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I know, sure every team in the country has 1or2 of those type of playersand they're needed as well but Jack Barry has more skill than we're allowed to see."
Havnt seen that skill its hidden very well -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2012 - 02/07/2020 00:00:55    2282626

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The heavy pitches will be a factor you'd imagine. Mullineachta winning the Leinster Club a few years was a great achievement but the heavy pitch helped too. Doubt they would have taken out kilmacud on a hot July day.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2042 - 02/07/2020 00:06:48    2282627

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Replying To TheUsername:  "We're more then happy, with Jack Barry on Fenton, Fenton just drifts him out and makes space through, look how much the Dublin half back lined scored and over the two games, absolute field day.

Not so sure Jack Barry marking Fenton is to the oppositions benefit to be honest, it's micro analysis stuff, there is a way bigger picture to that dynamic."
We're also more than happy with Barry on Fenton. Every single time Barry has marked him he has caused Fenton to have a poor game. I don't think Barry marking Fenton had anything to do with the Dublin half back line getting a bit of joy (I actually don't think they got the much joy bar McCaffrey in the drawn game when he was left free. Murchan getting the goal was purely down to the Moran error). Our midfielders usually stay with their men anyway so it's not like we're missing some key part of our defensive cover.

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 511 - 02/07/2020 09:34:45    2282648

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Havnt seen that skill its hidden very well -:)"
You see your engaging with me again, I hope you don't start crying again like on the other thread.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10994 - 02/07/2020 10:07:09    2282655

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya I'm sure you did Kerrymick."
Yes where exactly in Kerry are you from?

I'm just curious seeing as certain rather sad Dublin posters have tired in the past to create "Kerry" supporters among their alter-egos!!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5558 - 02/07/2020 10:16:53    2282657

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Replying To Kerry15:  "We're also more than happy with Barry on Fenton. Every single time Barry has marked him he has caused Fenton to have a poor game. I don't think Barry marking Fenton had anything to do with the Dublin half back line getting a bit of joy (I actually don't think they got the much joy bar McCaffrey in the drawn game when he was left free. Murchan getting the goal was purely down to the Moran error). Our midfielders usually stay with their men anyway so it's not like we're missing some key part of our defensive cover."
Good stuff - long may it continue so - we're on the same page - glasnost.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3388 - 02/07/2020 11:29:23    2282676

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "You see your engaging with me again, I hope you don't start crying again like on the other thread."
More childish nonsense !

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2012 - 02/07/2020 14:41:39    2282722

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Yes where exactly in Kerry are you from?

I'm just curious seeing as certain rather sad Dublin posters have tired in the past to create "Kerry" supporters among their alter-egos!!"
Oh i am from the heart of Kerry.Working and living in Dublin but i go back to the Kingdom regularly and like John Mullane once said "I love me. County"

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 02/07/2020 20:57:33    2282786

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In this hypothetical fantasy are we going to be as far fetched as fantasize about Dublin playing a game outside the M50?

My dream scenario: Donegal draw the Dubs and get home advantage. Because of the inevitable second spike it's a closed doors championship so minimum capacity on the ground. Donegal nominate the GAA grounds on the Tory Islands.... in the middle of November.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1102 - 03/07/2020 20:30:02    2282957

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Replying To Daith:  "In this hypothetical fantasy are we going to be as far fetched as fantasize about Dublin playing a game outside the M50?

My dream scenario: Donegal draw the Dubs and get home advantage. Because of the inevitable second spike it's a closed doors championship so minimum capacity on the ground. Donegal nominate the GAA grounds on the Tory Islands.... in the middle of November."
Have more islands emerged from the sea during the Lockdown?

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 641 - 03/07/2020 22:35:11    2282973

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