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Covid Supervisor Legalities

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Just wondering what are the legalities around this job.

If there is a covid out break and it turns out there was no hot water or some player hadn't done the return to play course and was left train. Or the supervisor missed out on a health check form.

Basically be it that he/she has done a totally inadequate job or made an honest mistake are there legal ramifications to the person who has taken on this role?

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 79 - 23/06/2020 17:50:53    2281647

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "Just wondering what are the legalities around this job.

If there is a covid out break and it turns out there was no hot water or some player hadn't done the return to play course and was left train. Or the supervisor missed out on a health check form.

Basically be it that he/she has done a totally inadequate job or made an honest mistake are there legal ramifications to the person who has taken on this role?"
There is liabilities in the role but many would be covered by club/gaa centrally and person in role wouldnt necessarily be personally liable.
All depends on what actually happened in any hypothetical situation. No hot water etc depends on how long facility was without hot water if that was known etc

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 941 - 23/06/2020 21:33:07    2281678

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i've a couple of symptoms like diarrhea, i put it down to nerves cause its championship semi final. i'm ok to play though. I play, next day feel worse, get tested, have Covid. Does that mean that everyone on the pitch has to isolate for 14 days along with their partners/kids/brothers/sisters/parents depending on living situations. If everyone has to isolate for the 14 days or until tested negative, does the GAA clubs foot the medical bills and the missed wages of everyone linked to the players,management,physio's,waterboys,referee,etc?

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1445 - 24/06/2020 01:01:14    2281696

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Replying To KillingFields:  "There is liabilities in the role but many would be covered by club/gaa centrally and person in role wouldnt necessarily be personally liable.
All depends on what actually happened in any hypothetical situation. No hot water etc depends on how long facility was without hot water if that was known etc"
Kind of vague though is it. If some lad rocks up without the course or health check filled out if the covid person doesn't stop him training. They are not doing their job. Worst case, unlikely as it may be, that person spreads covid - the supervisor could be vulnerable.

Talking to a club chairman recently and no one wants to take on the covid role in their club. So the Club are now just going back and with no covid officer / super or anything. Just taking a role call for contact tracing. I suppose that is in breach of everything. If there is an outbreak they'll be in the height of trouble but as a collective.

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 79 - 24/06/2020 14:55:47    2281735

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "Just wondering what are the legalities around this job.

If there is a covid out break and it turns out there was no hot water or some player hadn't done the return to play course and was left train. Or the supervisor missed out on a health check form.

Basically be it that he/she has done a totally inadequate job or made an honest mistake are there legal ramifications to the person who has taken on this role?"
hand sanitisers water bottles to be provided by player themselves, toilets not available unless emergency e learning & health quest, have to be completed { refreshed basically prior to training) log has to be kept of players equipment sanitised.

Unless complied with cannot train

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 531 - 24/06/2020 16:48:57    2281748

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "i've a couple of symptoms like diarrhea, i put it down to nerves cause its championship semi final. i'm ok to play though. I play, next day feel worse, get tested, have Covid. Does that mean that everyone on the pitch has to isolate for 14 days along with their partners/kids/brothers/sisters/parents depending on living situations. If everyone has to isolate for the 14 days or until tested negative, does the GAA clubs foot the medical bills and the missed wages of everyone linked to the players,management,physio's,waterboys,referee,etc?"
if you have diarrhea get a pack of nappies....

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 845 - 24/06/2020 22:35:16    2281768

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Vicarious Liability laws exonerates any coach or volunteer- same as 'the good Samaritan act' regarding first aid response in sport injuries

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 4633 - 24/06/2020 22:55:11    2281770

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No liability whatsoever.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 708 - 25/06/2020 21:53:23    2281846

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "if you have diarrhea get a pack of nappies...."
That's the cure for covid?? Why didn't you tell people this before everywhere shutdown and thousands died...

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1445 - 26/06/2020 12:49:40    2281871

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "That's the cure for covid?? Why didn't you tell people this before everywhere shutdown and thousands died..."
they are the cure for diarrhea......try pampers.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 845 - 26/06/2020 21:30:23    2281942

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After doing one senior club session no issues, everything is online and everything is up to players. They state they have no symptoms online, before every other session they just reconfirm this by clicking "reconfirm this". Attendance can easily be recorded in real time by downloading something like Class Attendance Tracker App - costs nothing, class = team, again generates a spreadsheet for contact tracing (if req). There are no liabilities, no one can get insurance for a know risk like Covid 19, no problem as long as protocols followed. It is simple, painless. Allows us all to focus on the playing.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4327 - 27/06/2020 13:51:10    2282010

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "they are the cure for diarrhea......try pampers."
would a bit of fiber and plenty of hydration not be a cure for diarrhea? but you sound as though you have been through it a few times so i'll take your word for it

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1445 - 29/06/2020 01:26:14    2282193

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What do people make of this role? It kind of feels like red tape to be honest. The tracking and tracing element is the most important part I feel, if you have a case then you need to know who was at the training session or game.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1654 - 29/06/2020 14:25:57    2282240

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "What do people make of this role? It kind of feels like red tape to be honest. The tracking and tracing element is the most important part I feel, if you have a case then you need to know who was at the training session or game."
That's a bit like tinfoil hat thinking going on about red tape bla bla bla
It's necessary role. It's to help everyone.
If you have someone in the role it should help ensure all people in a club dont contract covid or at least minimises the spread if someone does actually contract covid.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 941 - 29/06/2020 14:44:09    2282244

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Replying To arock:  "After doing one senior club session no issues, everything is online and everything is up to players. They state they have no symptoms online, before every other session they just reconfirm this by clicking "reconfirm this". Attendance can easily be recorded in real time by downloading something like Class Attendance Tracker App - costs nothing, class = team, again generates a spreadsheet for contact tracing (if req). There are no liabilities, no one can get insurance for a know risk like Covid 19, no problem as long as protocols followed. It is simple, painless. Allows us all to focus on the playing."
Why are they not temp testing before entering pitch? They are relying on people to test themselves. This is a bit of a joke really we all know that alot of people will just not bother and jot down 37 degrees before they attend. If you checked each persons temp as they entered training at least you would be sure that everyone at training had no temp.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 18 - 29/06/2020 15:30:13    2282249

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Replying To ecad123:  "Why are they not temp testing before entering pitch? They are relying on people to test themselves. This is a bit of a joke really we all know that alot of people will just not bother and jot down 37 degrees before they attend. If you checked each persons temp as they entered training at least you would be sure that everyone at training had no temp."
This is one of the examples I was talking about earlier, its just a box ticking exercise, nobody is going to do it. I do agree with the tracking and tracing element however, as that part is important.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1654 - 29/06/2020 16:12:43    2282262

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Replying To ecad123:  "Why are they not temp testing before entering pitch? They are relying on people to test themselves. This is a bit of a joke really we all know that alot of people will just not bother and jot down 37 degrees before they attend. If you checked each persons temp as they entered training at least you would be sure that everyone at training had no temp."
The reliance on temperature as a method of identifying that someone has the virus has changed as the virus has spread. I think it may have been a way of trying to avoid people thinking that because they don't have a temperature that everything is ok - which is clearly not the case. The one aspect I was disappointed about was the fact that they did not include a declaration that nobody in the household is under quarantine. There is no way of knowing if everyone in that household are following the correct procedures to avoid making others close contacts so I would just exclude everyone in the house from the grounds.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 788 - 29/06/2020 16:30:19    2282265

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There is one issue that has arisen and I have not seen it mentioned anywhere. If a county squad is training during club championship the consequences of a county player getting Covid 19 will be catastrophic for Clubs, especially if those players are training with club teams.
So when the GAA says there will be no sanctions, however there will be consequences, serious ones for the players clubs. The GAA is being totally irresponsible (if practical), ditto with most of the formalities of being a Covid 19 supervisor. These are simply a box ticking exercise with organisations covering themsleves first.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4327 - 29/06/2020 17:02:41    2282272

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It's been reported this morning that a club player in Kilkenny has tested positive for Covid. Seems to be a genuine story as it was confirmed by a GAA spoke person on local radio. I can't say that I am surprised as the virus is still in the community and it is very easy to pick up. How can you expect to go out and play a game with 30 players plus background teams plus official and not expect to pick up this virus when people are being asked to put on a mask in enclosed areas i.e. equivalent of a dressing room and socially distance by requisite distance outside the GAA facilities. I hope I am wrong but I can't see this working in the short to medium term.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1114 - 30/06/2020 09:43:16    2282340

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "It's been reported this morning that a club player in Kilkenny has tested positive for Covid. Seems to be a genuine story as it was confirmed by a GAA spoke person on local radio. I can't say that I am surprised as the virus is still in the community and it is very easy to pick up. How can you expect to go out and play a game with 30 players plus background teams plus official and not expect to pick up this virus when people are being asked to put on a mask in enclosed areas i.e. equivalent of a dressing room and socially distance by requisite distance outside the GAA facilities. I hope I am wrong but I can't see this working in the short to medium term."
I feel we have jumped too fast on allowing all teams back at the same time. In saying that, I don't think we should panic, there are bound to be some cases of GAA players picking up the virus. The important thing is that someone who has the virus doesn't pass it on when playing or training. Do they know how the player got the virus? Had he trained with the virus, if so I'd imagine the whole team will be in quarantine?

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1654 - 30/06/2020 10:30:54    2282344

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