National Forum

Sunday Game Football Team

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post


Totally pointless exercise, anything before 2000 looks like an average post 2000 junior game. Some of the games shown during this lock down would grass to sleep. Since RTE have copied everything creative from elsewhere why not copy BBCs Match of Their Day format. Instead of being shown lists bereft of meaning to anyone under 30.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4434 - 31/05/2020 17:11:01    2279603

Link

Replying To bdbuddah:  "Dublin having a kickout strategy/ kickout plays instead of just kicking the ball as far as possible. has been the most influential thing to happen Gaelic football that I can remember with most teams quickly trying to follow.
Overall I don't think it has been great for the game and would love to get rid of kicking tees to make much harder to implement.
But it was a very smart development which you have to give Dublin credit for.
One question I would love to know the answer to is how this came about.
Did Cluxton come up with this or did one of the players he was kicking to suggest this or was this the idea of the management team?."
Think you're a bit off there, if Cluxton was granted a wish it would be to get rid of the kicking tea, an extra hassle that he doesn't need.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 205 - 31/05/2020 21:55:30    2279618

Link

Replying To sligo joe:  "Think you're a bit off there, if Cluxton was granted a wish it would be to get rid of the kicking tea, an extra hassle that he doesn't need."
Are goalies obliged to use the tee if they don't want to?

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1112 - 31/05/2020 23:56:00    2279624

Link

Replying To ballydalane:  "Are goalies obliged to use the tee if they don't want to?"
No they don't have to if they don't want to.

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 596 - 01/06/2020 13:23:03    2279646

Link

Replying To bdbuddah:  "Dublin having a kickout strategy/ kickout plays instead of just kicking the ball as far as possible. has been the most influential thing to happen Gaelic football that I can remember with most teams quickly trying to follow.
Overall I don't think it has been great for the game and would love to get rid of kicking tees to make much harder to implement.
But it was a very smart development which you have to give Dublin credit for.
One question I would love to know the answer to is how this came about.
Did Cluxton come up with this or did one of the players he was kicking to suggest this or was this the idea of the management team?."
Glad you asked. To be honest, the notion that he "revolutionized the role" of a goalkeeper or the game is wide of the mark yet it constantly gets thrown out there by pundits.

He came into the Dublin team in 01 and was the same as any other keeper. It was a 15 v 15 game so kick it long and let the midfielders battle it out was the order of the day.

Dublin lost the 02 all ireland semi final by a point to Armagh (Ray cosgrove hit the post with a late free).

Fast forward to 05 and yes, Cluxton and Shane Ryan struck up a partnership. Ryan was playing in midfield but wasnt a traditional 6'4" fetcher. Instead, he would make a looping run across the field and then towards Cluxton. The centre back (Brian Cullen) would pull his man to one side, and Cluxton would ping the ball into Ryan's path. It was guaranteed possession.

But not everyone followed suit. In fact, nobody did. Ryan was a good player, an all star, but he wasn't a match winner. Him getting the ball inside his own 65 and facing his own goals wasnt really any great advantage to Dublin. In fact, thru 08, 09 and early 2010, Dublin suffered hammerings at the hands of Tyrone, Kerry and Meath. Remember they had lost the 02 semi final by a point. 8 years later they were no further on.

But after the Meath game, Pat Gilroy used the qualifiers to completely change Dublin's set-up. They became defensive and very tough to beat. In fact, I think they'd have won the all ireland had it not been for a Lazarus like comeback from Cork in the semi final.

Move on to 2011, Dublin won Leinster and faced Tyrone in the quarter finals. Diarmuid Connolly shot the lights out and suddenly Dublin looked the real deal. They were expected to trounce Donegal in the semi final. But Donegal and Jim Mc had other ideas.

He deployed the blanket to end all blankets. And Gilroy responded. Instead of falling into Donegal's trap, Dublin sat back too, and suddenly any time Cluxton or Paul Durkin put the ball on the tee, they had the option of a 70yard kick into a crowded midfield or a simple dink to an unmarked corner or wing back. They took the latter option each time.

Dublin eventually won out 0-08 to 0-06 in one of the worst spectacles gaelic football has offered up in recent memory.

But that game changed gaelic football for most of the decade that followed - suddenly every manager throughout the country (with the very rare exception) decided sweepers and blanket defences were the way to be competitive. The sport became like a game of chess and you worked the ball up the pitch and only shot when you had a clear sight of goal.

Now goalkeepers faced less shots on goal and less dropping balls. And when they put the ball on the tee, they suddenly had 7 backs in front of them being marked by 5 forwards (sometimes less). The keeper's main job now was to pick out the free corner or wing back standing unmarked on the wing.

Cluxton, of course, was well able to do this, as was Durkin and a few others. And any new keeper coming into a county team had to be able to do the same. But it wasn't the 2005 Cluxton that people were emulating - every keeper, Cluxton included, were adjusting to the new era of defence first, possession play.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4132 - 01/06/2020 13:39:42    2279647

Link

Replying To TheUsername:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "[quote=KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "link

From 2014, Peter Canavan picks the best players he has played with or against, excluding Tyrone players."
Interesting video from 2015, cluxtin not even Peters 3rd choice goalie says a lot. It proves for 14 of his 19 year career the cluck was only an average goalie, good kicker but not a great goalie."
Yip, one player's opinion 'proves' Cluxton was not a great goalie.

It was 2014. A lot happened since then."]Not sure St Stephen and Peter the greats paths crossed in the championship anyway,GreenandRed and given hes giving a list of the players he has played with or against that is kind of crucial. :D

St. Stephen got the nod in 2002 but we didn't play Tyrone in the Championship that year, then next time we got out of Leinster was 2005, we played Tyrone that year and Peter was down to play but pulled out at the last minute if my memory is right, not that it made much of a difference to the score.

So as far as i can recollect they never played against each other on the biggest stage in the Championship. St Stephen became no 1 in 02 and Peter called in a day 2005 anf their paths never crossed. Hard to believe that will soon be two generations ago."]Well bud you have dropped another clanger there, as it has come to my attention from another poster that Peter Canavan did play against cluxtin in 2005, but if you were following dublin at the time you would have known that, it's probably "crucial" as you'd say yourself.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11722 - 02/06/2020 17:43:21    2279749

Link

Did anyone hear Gooch asked if he could pick himself when asked to pick the greatest full forward line? His book is written in the same theme. I 100% would have him on it but I prefer a little bit more humility.

I've listened to a lot of podcasts recently and him and Brendan Cummins I find hard to listen to. Cummins said he felt sorry for Gerry Kennedy as "he was lost" when Babs dropped Brendan and put him in. He was far from lost and was a very good keeper who never put a foot wrong when given the chance.

Some people are full of their own importance. Tommy Walsh was a player I was never a fan of as a Tipp supporter but my perceptions of him have completely changed by the way he talks about himself and others. A proper role model.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2909 - 08/06/2020 20:01:45    2280130

Link

Replying To tiobraid:  "Did anyone hear Gooch asked if he could pick himself when asked to pick the greatest full forward line? His book is written in the same theme. I 100% would have him on it but I prefer a little bit more humility.

I've listened to a lot of podcasts recently and him and Brendan Cummins I find hard to listen to. Cummins said he felt sorry for Gerry Kennedy as "he was lost" when Babs dropped Brendan and put him in. He was far from lost and was a very good keeper who never put a foot wrong when given the chance.

Some people are full of their own importance. Tommy Walsh was a player I was never a fan of as a Tipp supporter but my perceptions of him have completely changed by the way he talks about himself and others. A proper role model."
Did Gooch really say that? Ugh!

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 527 - 08/06/2020 21:22:24    2280136

Link