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The Corona Virus And Possible Effects To GAA Matches

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Replying To zinny:  "Yea but the R number is a misleading indicator as it naturally will rise when clusters around group situations arise. Its pretty well known that in a group one persons if they are infectious will infect more than one other and it could be everyone depending on the nature of what that group was doing. If these were random cases spread through the country then that would be a massive worry. Thats not to say that clusters are not an issue they are as there is always a chance that a close contact is missing or that someone has been infected and asymptotic before they isolate etc. added to that is the fact that people isolate at home and some are better than others at doing it right. So their big concern here is leakage from the process and the more people infected, the greater the chance of that leakage happening. If everyone downloaded and used the tracker app it would help, I would have made that compulsory and somehow made it a push from the service provider but then that would be an issue with our civil liberties - you can see that some people believe that being forced to wear a mask is interfering with out human rights unfortunately the virus doesn't really care for human rights!"
Yeah right enough. I think the way they're talking is that localized lockdowns might become the way they'll deal with clusters, rather than bracket the whole country. The might mean certain counties will be unable/not allowed to compete in the All-Ireland. At what point then does the integrity of the competition become totally compromised?

e.g. Dublin is probably very high on the list of counties that might be forced into lockdown due to population. If they can't compete then the All Ireland becomes a bit of a farce. (Some might argue that an All Ireland without Dublin would actually be brilliant purely in terms of the fact that about 4/5 teams would seriously fancy their chances? But there would always be a massive asterisk beside the win.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6938 - 07/08/2020 16:28:41    2286771

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah right enough. I think the way they're talking is that localized lockdowns might become the way they'll deal with clusters, rather than bracket the whole country. The might mean certain counties will be unable/not allowed to compete in the All-Ireland. At what point then does the integrity of the competition become totally compromised?

e.g. Dublin is probably very high on the list of counties that might be forced into lockdown due to population. If they can't compete then the All Ireland becomes a bit of a farce. (Some might argue that an All Ireland without Dublin would actually be brilliant purely in terms of the fact that about 4/5 teams would seriously fancy their chances? But there would always be a massive asterisk beside the win."
If that happens there as well off to scrap the Championship alltogether for this year. Play off whatever remaining league fixtures they can if they want a few games and leave it at that till next year. I can't see the point of cramming a Championship into the winter months just for the sake of playing it.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 930 - 07/08/2020 17:10:30    2286775

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah right enough. I think the way they're talking is that localized lockdowns might become the way they'll deal with clusters, rather than bracket the whole country. The might mean certain counties will be unable/not allowed to compete in the All-Ireland. At what point then does the integrity of the competition become totally compromised?

e.g. Dublin is probably very high on the list of counties that might be forced into lockdown due to population. If they can't compete then the All Ireland becomes a bit of a farce. (Some might argue that an All Ireland without Dublin would actually be brilliant purely in terms of the fact that about 4/5 teams would seriously fancy their chances? But there would always be a massive asterisk beside the win."
I doubt if the GAA have even though about it at this point, up to now I am sure all they were thinking of is a team having a positive case and how they manage the games from there on in. If anything they should know that the outcome is unpredictable and what they need to do is be flexible. I can't really see the Championship progressing without any county bar London, NY is already gone.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 918 - 07/08/2020 17:25:45    2286777

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Well it looks like the three counties are now in lockdown and all GAA games are off until further notice. So they will have to think about what they do if this happens later on as well.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 918 - 07/08/2020 17:43:41    2286780

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Replying To zinny:  "Yea but the R number is a misleading indicator as it naturally will rise when clusters around group situations arise. Its pretty well known that in a group one persons if they are infectious will infect more than one other and it could be everyone depending on the nature of what that group was doing. If these were random cases spread through the country then that would be a massive worry. Thats not to say that clusters are not an issue they are as there is always a chance that a close contact is missing or that someone has been infected and asymptotic before they isolate etc. added to that is the fact that people isolate at home and some are better than others at doing it right. So their big concern here is leakage from the process and the more people infected, the greater the chance of that leakage happening. If everyone downloaded and used the tracker app it would help, I would have made that compulsory and somehow made it a push from the service provider but then that would be an issue with our civil liberties - you can see that some people believe that being forced to wear a mask is interfering with out human rights unfortunately the virus doesn't really care for human rights!"
And what about the old folk we all are trying to protect with no smart phones etc? That app is no answer and after the debacle with the PUP travel issue who intheir right mind would trust them? BTW I have seen my elderly relatives lives ruined by self-isolation. It is all about balance, and lets face it our HSE has been a basket case for years. At this stage just scrap the club/intercounty championships, they probably won't run anyway.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4367 - 07/08/2020 18:01:03    2286783

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Replying To Bon:  "If that happens there as well off to scrap the Championship alltogether for this year. Play off whatever remaining league fixtures they can if they want a few games and leave it at that till next year. I can't see the point of cramming a Championship into the winter months just for the sake of playing it."
Yeah I'd agree there. There would be no point as the competition would be devalued totally if there were teams who couldn't compete.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6938 - 07/08/2020 18:38:04    2286790

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Replying To zinny:  "Well it looks like the three counties are now in lockdown and all GAA games are off until further notice. So they will have to think about what they do if this happens later on as well."
Not a hope there is an inter county championship this year. I feel for the people of Laois, Offaly, Kildare and from a GAA perspective hope they get to finish their club championships...however major disruption across the country is looming again. F it

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10191 - 07/08/2020 19:02:22    2286793

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Not a hope there is an inter county championship this year. I feel for the people of Laois, Offaly, Kildare and from a GAA perspective hope they get to finish their club championships...however major disruption across the country is looming again. F it"
I think we are all disappointed in the 3 counties subject to lockdown from midnight. There were a number of football championship games scheduled for tonight, but they are off until further notice. Hope fully the clusters will be traced and dealt with before the fortnight's suspension is lifted, and we can get back to something like normal again.
Of the 66 cases in the affected counties, Laois had 5 instances, hard to justify a lockdown there, as of the remaining 61 cases, Offaly have 26 and Kildare 35, centred around meat processing plants.
If the health authorities concentrated on the affected locations, maybe the outbreak would be contained.
It must be difficult for businesses in the food sector, when they just reopened in June, and now have to close again.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 22 - 07/08/2020 22:14:44    2286808

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Replying To zinny:  "Well it looks like the three counties are now in lockdown and all GAA games are off until further notice. So they will have to think about what they do if this happens later on as well."
How long are these 3 counties out for?

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 992 - 07/08/2020 22:24:05    2286810

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Replying To Trump2020:  "How long are these 3 counties out for?"
2 weeks minimum

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1464 - 07/08/2020 23:03:03    2286813

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According to virgin media correspondent Gavan Reilly there hasn't been an unannounced inspection at any meat factories as inspectors are afraid they could get the virus in the factories, couldn't make it up...

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2358 - 07/08/2020 23:13:29    2286815

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Replying To Trump2020:  "How long are these 3 counties out for?"
until further notice. until number cases drops considerably

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1211 - 07/08/2020 23:31:20    2286818

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah right enough. I think the way they're talking is that localized lockdowns might become the way they'll deal with clusters, rather than bracket the whole country. The might mean certain counties will be unable/not allowed to compete in the All-Ireland. At what point then does the integrity of the competition become totally compromised?

e.g. Dublin is probably very high on the list of counties that might be forced into lockdown due to population. If they can't compete then the All Ireland becomes a bit of a farce. (Some might argue that an All Ireland without Dublin would actually be brilliant purely in terms of the fact that about 4/5 teams would seriously fancy their chances? But there would always be a massive asterisk beside the win."
There can be no All Ireland title if some counties have to be excluded.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1014 - 07/08/2020 23:57:53    2286822

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Replying To Mickthemiller:  "I think we are all disappointed in the 3 counties subject to lockdown from midnight. There were a number of football championship games scheduled for tonight, but they are off until further notice. Hope fully the clusters will be traced and dealt with before the fortnight's suspension is lifted, and we can get back to something like normal again.
Of the 66 cases in the affected counties, Laois had 5 instances, hard to justify a lockdown there, as of the remaining 61 cases, Offaly have 26 and Kildare 35, centred around meat processing plants.
If the health authorities concentrated on the affected locations, maybe the outbreak would be contained.
It must be difficult for businesses in the food sector, when they just reopened in June, and now have to close again."
Meat processing plants have & continue to be let away with deplorable inaction in relation to Covid-19. This small group of very wealthy individuals have been allowed to screw farmers for decades, whilst they continue their buy up of various properties throughout the country. It is particularly galling to see one individual benefit from the State paying the Private Hospitals for cover. These people were allowed to flood the market with cheap labour brought in on work permits year on year paying them buttons, they even tapped into a certain sector of society when the law was changed allowing these people to work. They provide poor accommodation for those on work permits with people packed into rooms & buses & cars on their way to work, no work, no pay. This has been a red flag issue for months, but because these owners have influence at the very top of Irish political life, a blind eye was turned, allowing plants to continue to enable the greed. There is one Govt Dept. that will do nothing to offend these owners & the Minister is usually a lackey for them. Witness how they are allowed to screw the producers who can't even make a living wage, yet these Billionaires can hoover up certain private practices.
A question which needs to be asked is, who is paying for the testing at these plants now, the wealthy processors or the State ? The Govt have cocked this up bringing in measures that will be unenforceable, should have been aimed at locking down those within the clusters only & having the Meat Processors closed. Shut down the processors now & end the scandal of dishing out work permits. Pay producers & staff properly & allow them to work in safe conditions. Unfortunately this B&lls of a Govt will sit on their hands with this, instead they punish everybody else by a total lockdown.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1014 - 08/08/2020 00:21:04    2286823

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No actual testing facility in kildare which is ridiculous. People were going to get tested in Dublin

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2073 - 08/08/2020 06:35:53    2286831

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Seems to bit draconian that if you live in Moneygall you're an hour away from a cluster and back to phase 2 but if you live in kilbeggan 10 mins from a cluster well fire away lads...

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2358 - 08/08/2020 12:43:38    2286856

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Meat processing plants have & continue to be let away with deplorable inaction in relation to Covid-19. This small group of very wealthy individuals have been allowed to screw farmers for decades, whilst they continue their buy up of various properties throughout the country. It is particularly galling to see one individual benefit from the State paying the Private Hospitals for cover. These people were allowed to flood the market with cheap labour brought in on work permits year on year paying them buttons, they even tapped into a certain sector of society when the law was changed allowing these people to work. They provide poor accommodation for those on work permits with people packed into rooms & buses & cars on their way to work, no work, no pay. This has been a red flag issue for months, but because these owners have influence at the very top of Irish political life, a blind eye was turned, allowing plants to continue to enable the greed. There is one Govt Dept. that will do nothing to offend these owners & the Minister is usually a lackey for them. Witness how they are allowed to screw the producers who can't even make a living wage, yet these Billionaires can hoover up certain private practices.
A question which needs to be asked is, who is paying for the testing at these plants now, the wealthy processors or the State ? The Govt have cocked this up bringing in measures that will be unenforceable, should have been aimed at locking down those within the clusters only & having the Meat Processors closed. Shut down the processors now & end the scandal of dishing out work permits. Pay producers & staff properly & allow them to work in safe conditions. Unfortunately this B&lls of a Govt will sit on their hands with this, instead they punish everybody else by a total lockdown."
Well said Moc.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11206 - 08/08/2020 13:49:20    2286863

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I've been listening to Eamin Dunphy's The Stand and he's been interviewing Tomas Ryan, Associate Professor in the school of Biochemistry and Immunology at Trinity who is excellent. Tomas says unless there's a decent, working Test and Trace process and control on who is entering the country then the virus won't be brought under any sort of control any time soon. 100000 people have entered the South in recent weeks while the food processing plants don't seem to have any sort of plans in place. Furthermore Professor Ryan said that the virus is affecting a lot more younger people and that it is leaving long lasting health affects on most people who get it no matter what age.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9253 - 08/08/2020 13:57:18    2286864

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Replying To moc.dna:  "There can be no All Ireland title if some counties have to be excluded."
Maybe they could but there would always be an asterisk by it I'd say.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 992 - 08/08/2020 18:05:00    2286884

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My heart goes out to the 3 counties who have had the restrictions reimposed again. It is unreal how this virus can spread so quickly, only a few weeks ago we thought we were in a good place. Difficult to see the club championships in any county being concluded, looks impossible for Kildare, Laois and Offaly.

Very hard to know where we are with the GAA season now. Its been a rollercoaster ride, in April we thought the whole year was a washout but by June it was looking good, now I dont have any clue if any competition will get finished.

I dont think the Dublin bashing is fair, they have a higher population density than any other county and have been doing brilliant so far.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1674 - 08/08/2020 23:21:57    2286919

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