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The Corona Virus And Possible Effects To GAA Matches

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Replying To fjones:  "This will go down well

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-stars-broke-rules-on-covid-gatherings-with-early-morning-training-40263682.html

GAA does not deserve to go ahead."
They need to be sanctioned heavily for this. The excuse well shur others are doing it too won't wash here. They were the ones that were caught

leitrimguy1985 (Leitrim) - Posts: 57 - 01/04/2021 09:20:11    2335489

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Replying To fjones:  "This will go down well

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-stars-broke-rules-on-covid-gatherings-with-early-morning-training-40263682.html

GAA does not deserve to go ahead."
Irish Independent Journalists hiding in the bushes at 7am, taking photos of young men having a kick about socially distanced. Yes a real story. I see young fellows playing football in the park near me every day.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 01/04/2021 10:20:23    2335509

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Replying To galwayford:  "Irish Independent Journalists hiding in the bushes at 7am, taking photos of young men having a kick about socially distanced. Yes a real story. I see young fellows playing football in the park near me every day."
The question is has any of the named persons gone past their 5km to do this 'exercise'. They must get a fixed charge fine if they did.

leitrimguy1985 (Leitrim) - Posts: 57 - 01/04/2021 11:40:09    2335540

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "The question is has any of the named persons gone past their 5km to do this 'exercise'. They must get a fixed charge fine if they did."
None of those I've heard named were beyond their 5km I'd say.

Depends where they're living I suppose but I'm going on from where abouts their clubs are located.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 01/04/2021 12:29:04    2335567

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "The question is has any of the named persons gone past their 5km to do this 'exercise'. They must get a fixed charge fine if they did."
Right so, how many times have I broken this? the more important question is who did they harm, endanger I am sure we will get a more honest appraisal from a fair hearing than the excitable journalist in question.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 01/04/2021 15:49:52    2335622

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Replying To arock:  "Right so, how many times have I broken this? the more important question is who did they harm, endanger I am sure we will get a more honest appraisal from a fair hearing than the excitable journalist in question."
I agree completely, I can go from A to B and not have any interaction with anyone, however that relies on you having a brain to calculate that risk. Not many people have so we need laws

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 01/04/2021 16:19:55    2335635

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Replying To browncows:  "I do not see paying back being a problem. Germany and France who make the rules and are caught up in this covid as well as us, so money at zero percent should be easy to pay back once everything opens up (they should have thought of the zero percent to resolve the crash but stupidity/greed crept in). I do feel for business which have been closed for the past 12+ months and the publicans in the rural Ireland who have been social distancing for the past 20+years!"
Governments don't work like running thed household budget. You can buy Irish Government bonds, issued before Covid, that don't get repaid until the 2050s. The Government can repay them by issuing more Government bonds. That's why the National Debt is constantly rising.

It's a weird world that ordinary folk can't hope to understand.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 01/04/2021 16:26:55    2335638

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On the sporting side of things these group of players and coach broke rules and it was technically cheating. It doesn't matter if others did it too they held a training session when the GAA is in lockdown and were caught if they are punished that is their fault, this day and age with smart phones and social media it's an awful risk to take.

On the society aspect of this incident, so what a couple of guys went for kick about in a big open space, I don't see the harm of it.

We have being in lockdown effectively for 12 months now and the biggest cod of all this, what we told by government, NPHET and by the media is "we are all in this together" such horse****. We are all to stay home only if we are going to work or to get essential items but it was ok for some politicians to drive around half the country and to mix at golf functions and dinners. We had RTE preaching to us about social distancing and the like and chastising those who broke the rules but yet they thought it would be alright if they did it at a retirement party within RTE when alot of their staff were pictured together side by side. Government and mainstream media feel anti-lockdown protests are detrimental and dangerous to our country's health and must be stopped at all cost but these social justice warrior style protests that happened in this country last June and January gone, are to be let happen and ignored even 1's where thugs have gone through shopping centres intimidating and attacking people. Some religious denominations can't celebrate church service and some have being threatened by the guards if they do they will be arrested but other religions can go ahead freely on their Friday services with nothing said to them.

The news has broken the Dublin county board have dealt with it internally and suspensions given, let that be the end of it now.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 01/04/2021 18:31:19    2335674

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very sneaky by Dublin giving a 12 week ban to the manager so quick to try ensure he will be back for championship. Are the GAA going to let this be a precedent that CB's decide the punishment for their own staff for a national rule incident?? Not that it matters as the backroom staff would be the ones doing the trainings anyway so it makes no difference

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1680 - 01/04/2021 20:47:54    2335698

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "very sneaky by Dublin giving a 12 week ban to the manager so quick to try ensure he will be back for championship. Are the GAA going to let this be a precedent that CB's decide the punishment for their own staff for a national rule incident?? Not that it matters as the backroom staff would be the ones doing the trainings anyway so it makes no difference"
It's hardly sneaky when it is extremely transparent and obvious what they are doing.

Dublin County Board can hand out a suspension if they wish. Same as the Cork or Down County Boards could have handed out suspensions too.

That is completely separate from any ban that the GAA decides to hand out.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 01/04/2021 21:51:48    2335714

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Replying To MesAmis:  "None of those I've heard named were beyond their 5km I'd say.

Depends where they're living I suppose but I'm going on from where abouts their clubs are located."
I have to travel more than 5km before I'm even on a 'main; road, 5km limit doesn't make much sense where I live!!

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2748 - 01/04/2021 22:34:25    2335727

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Replying To MesAmis:  "None of those I've heard named were beyond their 5km I'd say.

Depends where they're living I suppose but I'm going on from where abouts their clubs are located."
Johnny Copper lives about 5/5.5 from where he lives. Fenton less, I suspect they all are within the 5k. And even though the gathering was illegal they did travel to exercise. The real issue is who organised it I think thats what everyone wants to know. Totally stupid on all their parts I am sure GAA is hoping there are no other counties at it.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 01/04/2021 23:33:56    2335742

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "very sneaky by Dublin giving a 12 week ban to the manager so quick to try ensure he will be back for championship. Are the GAA going to let this be a precedent that CB's decide the punishment for their own staff for a national rule incident?? Not that it matters as the backroom staff would be the ones doing the trainings anyway so it makes no difference"
Mayo GAA handed out 12 weeks bans to three members of the backroom team who "sneaked" into Croke Park for the All Ireland Final. The band begin when the football season starts.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 02/04/2021 07:31:12    2335749

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "very sneaky by Dublin giving a 12 week ban to the manager so quick to try ensure he will be back for championship. Are the GAA going to let this be a precedent that CB's decide the punishment for their own staff for a national rule incident?? Not that it matters as the backroom staff would be the ones doing the trainings anyway so it makes no difference"
Nothing sneaky about, the county board are entitled to dish out suspensions when rules are breached by their players or managers. The GAA will conduct their own investigation and dispense any sanctions based on the results of that.

Marse (Dublin) - Posts: 217 - 02/04/2021 09:32:51    2335757

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"Johnny Copper lives about 5/5.5 from where he lives."

Mind-boggling.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 02/04/2021 10:48:28    2335762

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I have to travel more than 5km before I'm even on a 'main; road, 5km limit doesn't make much sense where I live!!"
Agreed the 5km limit seems disproportionately harsh in a rural setting.

Obviously you're allowed to travel outside 5km for essential shopping etc but I'd imagine a lot of rural 5kms would all be private farmland around. Within my 5km are a number of different parks, basketball courts, a beach and much more. It isn't fair at all.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 02/04/2021 11:27:01    2335765

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Firstly I will clarify that I personally know little about how viruses originate. I treat conspiracy theories with scepticism. However it made me sit up and listen when recently listening to an interview with a former leader of the CDC. He cast series doubts about the origination of covid 19 in the Huwan food market. What I got from it was he was suggesting these type of viruses from animal to human is a one strain. (may not be the proper term) While still a spreader and a problem they would not take on the format of this one that seems like it is trained in the lab. He went on to say that China, Russia, the U.S.A. and many others are working on the development of these virus. Isn't it sad the world we live in work on how to kill people? I bet it is to kill the ordinary people not the leaders.
He was suggesting that the virus may have been carried out accidentally from one of these labs.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 03/04/2021 15:36:10    2335880

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Replying To Canuck:  "Firstly I will clarify that I personally know little about how viruses originate. I treat conspiracy theories with scepticism. However it made me sit up and listen when recently listening to an interview with a former leader of the CDC. He cast series doubts about the origination of covid 19 in the Huwan food market. What I got from it was he was suggesting these type of viruses from animal to human is a one strain. (may not be the proper term) While still a spreader and a problem they would not take on the format of this one that seems like it is trained in the lab. He went on to say that China, Russia, the U.S.A. and many others are working on the development of these virus. Isn't it sad the world we live in work on how to kill people? I bet it is to kill the ordinary people not the leaders.
He was suggesting that the virus may have been carried out accidentally from one of these labs."
To be fair, this should never have been considered a "conspiracy theory" in the first place. Its a hypothesis, not a theory.
And a reasonable one, given the research facilities in it place of origin, and how the virus has behaved.

Also, the former CDC director was clear to state that he wasn't saying this was an intentional act, and not necessarily a result of research that was intended to create any kind of weapon.
This is likely an inevitable consequence of 'gain-of-function' research, which can essentially super-charges a virus for research purposes. As far as I know, it can be used for benevolent reasons, such as vaccine research/development. But it may also end up creating a bigger problem than its trying to solve if it leaks, as is what could have happened here. That's why there was a ban on this type of research, in the US at least, until 2016.

This virus has crippled the entire world. Honest discussion on its origins are necessary, and this has not been allowed to happen in the last year. If you want to solve the problem, you need to know exactly what created it, and how. Determining its origin doesn't have to mean ascribing blame, just identifying research that may be too dangerous to be worthwhile.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 03/04/2021 17:21:35    2335887

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Replying To Canuck:  "Firstly I will clarify that I personally know little about how viruses originate. I treat conspiracy theories with scepticism. However it made me sit up and listen when recently listening to an interview with a former leader of the CDC. He cast series doubts about the origination of covid 19 in the Huwan food market. What I got from it was he was suggesting these type of viruses from animal to human is a one strain. (may not be the proper term) While still a spreader and a problem they would not take on the format of this one that seems like it is trained in the lab. He went on to say that China, Russia, the U.S.A. and many others are working on the development of these virus. Isn't it sad the world we live in work on how to kill people? I bet it is to kill the ordinary people not the leaders.
He was suggesting that the virus may have been carried out accidentally from one of these labs."
There was a theory going around on whats app at the outset of the Covid 19 outbreak suggesting it originated in the lab and escaped from there.It probably escaped before China had the antidote/vaccine ready and had their people treated.Its one way of wiping out the rest of the world's population,we might not be so lucky next time,the next virus might be more lethal to the unvaccinated.China will have difficulty feeding its population in the future.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 03/04/2021 17:32:10    2335889

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "There was a theory going around on whats app at the outset of the Covid 19 outbreak suggesting it originated in the lab and escaped from there.It probably escaped before China had the antidote/vaccine ready and had their people treated.Its one way of wiping out the rest of the world's population,we might not be so lucky next time,the next virus might be more lethal to the unvaccinated.China will have difficulty feeding its population in the future."
I don't know anything about conspiracy theories but man'kind' is nuts, the planets animal and plant life would be better of without us.
What kind of stupid nutcases think that messing with and creating deadly new types of viruses is a good idea?

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2748 - 04/04/2021 09:57:38    2335917

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