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NPHET advising the government to go Level 5. That will be that if they agree, with regards to the GAA for 2020.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9103 - 16/10/2020 13:29:44
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Well sure I'm not a 'know it all like you' I'm entitled to my opinion same as you, just because it doesn't align with your world view doesn't make it any less valid, you're a typical leftie,
we'll see if all the dooms day predictions come true, I know for a fact those hospital figures are padded out, people are testing positive in hospital but they are not all being admitted because of covid.
I suppose the whingers will win out and get the Championship abandoned, I see the great Pat Spillane is making the same point as me today regarding the football, the people need it to get through these dark months, going to be some great games of old style knockout football." I don't know it all, I know very little about how viruses work and public health policies and ways of containment. But I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I know more than people who have studied these topics all their adult lives and work in these fields. People like *you*, it seems to me, are much more inclined to have a *know it all* attitude seeing as you'll dismiss evidence because you watched some YouTube video or whatever else.
Nobody knows everything, governments and scientists and doctors can get it wrong as much as anyone else, but I would still trust somebody qualified in public health to tell me what is best for containing a virus and the implications for our health system. It's then the political side that has to make a call about balancing the containment vs. impact on society and the economy.
We all want the Championship to go ahead. I think people need it as well. But I am worried about outbreaks and player safety. It doesn't seem to me the GAA have really planned for running the Championship off apart from "behind closed doors" and changing the format to knockout. Flagging that up doesn't mean we don't want Championship to go ahead. Grow up.
Reducing people's concerns to "whingers", people are worried and scared, have a bit of empathy.
"Typical leftie" so so precious, dear me. Everyone is indeed entitled to their opinion but all opinions are not equally valid. Flat earthers are entitled to believe the earth is flat, but that doesn't make it valid. Anti-vaxxers are entitled to believe vaccinations are bad, but that doesn't make it a valid opinion or one we should allow impact public policy. Racists can believe and hold the opinion that they are superior based on their skin colour, but it's not a valid opinion in any civilised society. Do you see how being "entitled" to an opinion doesn't actually mean anything?
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 16/10/2020 13:31:11
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Well sure I'm not a 'know it all like you' I'm entitled to my opinion same as you, just because it doesn't align with your world view doesn't make it any less valid, you're a typical leftie,
we'll see if all the dooms day predictions come true, I know for a fact those hospital figures are padded out, people are testing positive in hospital but they are not all being admitted because of covid.
I suppose the whingers will win out and get the Championship abandoned, I see the great Pat Spillane is making the same point as me today regarding the football, the people need it to get through these dark months, going to be some great games of old style knockout football." It isnt whingers looking to get the games not played. Its people looking out for the best for everyone and reducing the spread of covid.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 16/10/2020 13:35:44
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Replying To TheFlaker: "You ok Gemma? So Pat said we should have no restrictions and let it be survival of the fittest? Because that was what you actually said first." I see the great Pat Spillane is making the same point as me today regarding the football
try learning to read down there in Mhayo.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2733 - 16/10/2020 13:56:53
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Some of clowns who comment on these issues are the same clowns who support Trump, Boris and Gemma. We don't know the best solution. I fall in the middle. I agree with some restrictions but also agree some of them are not feasible.
It's hard to explain the various possible outcomes to some of these eejits as they usually stick together to give their lives some relevance. My brother is a doctor in Nottingham, he is baffled at the attitude of the right wingers. As if they have a clue what is going on in Covid wards in a badly hit area. We might become less vulnerable to the virus as time passes but we just don't know enough yet.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7882 - 16/10/2020 13:58:01
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Replying To KillingFields: "It isnt whingers looking to get the games not played. Its people looking out for the best for everyone and reducing the spread of covid." You'll be ok snowflake, just hide behind the sofa!!
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2733 - 16/10/2020 13:58:51
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "I see the great Pat Spillane is making the same point as me today regarding the football
try learning to read down there in Mhayo." We all want it to go ahead. You are hardly on your own there. You have now ignored your stupid post about survival of the fittest. Hard luck with the smart **** comment. It would work better if you could spell Mayo.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7882 - 16/10/2020 14:15:00
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Replying To Crinigan: "Fighting covid has fk all to with governments and everything to do with personal responsibility. Our two northern chaps think covid is a flu and we should get in with things. Personal responsibility and patriotism in protecting their country's vulnerable seems beyond them. More important they get to see their heroes diving, spitting, grabbing crotches and bringing up the bereavements of opposition players families ... or whatever counts for sport up in Tyrone apparently." With all due respect Mr Crinigan, far more people will die from Cancer related diseases this month than from Covid 19. I agree though that the GAA championship is in jeopardy. To me, the All Ireland should be played in the Summer months. Not the cold of November and December. I think there is a lot of issues with playing it over the next few months. But I trust the GAA Hq to make the right call.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 16/10/2020 14:16:40
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "You'll be ok snowflake, just hide behind the sofa!!" Jesus you are pathetic
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 16/10/2020 14:24:35
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which one of ye is really gemma o doherty?
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2838 - 16/10/2020 14:35:36
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Replying To Mayonman: "It actually does make sense.
They are looking at the numbers and rather than shutting down everything are trying to be more targeted in their response. Which is what we were all asking them to do initially.
Certain activities are prioritized as they are deemed (rightly or wrongly) to be for the greater good. Education and sport being examples. They are also risk assessed and the actual playing of sport is low risk. Primary schools are low risk, although secondary schools are higher risk but are deemed to be hugely important to society.
Because a virus spreads through social interaction locking down some interactions actually allows other activities to go ahead because it reduces transmission and therefore risk.
You seem to think that you have better information than the NPHET statisticians/virologists. How many transmissions happened to people driving alone in their cars? How many happened on a football field during games or training? I would suggest that Under 8 training with Mammys and Daddys not staying in their cars is a lot more risky than inter county training.
This may all prove to be a pointless discussion in any case because it looks like we will move up the levels and games will stop then anyway." I never claimed to know more than the experts; I wouldn't be so arrogant to make such a claim. The point I was making is that playing matches where a team from a highly infected county travels to another county is a big risk. Unlike professional sports where teams can be put in a bubble, this is an amateur sport where players are working and living amongst people in areas where the infection rate is extremely high. I haven't heard the GAA outline in any detail that players are being tested on a regular basis; if this is the case then I think this would reduce the chances of the virus being spread while participating in these games. At the moment, it seems that Fermanagh, Armagh and Wexford have a number of players who have tested positive for the virus. In Fermanagh's case, they have requested that their game with Clare be postponed and this request has been refused. If it is so important to play GAA, for the wellbeing of the population then why not defer the last two rounds of the league and allow teams to play within their province, at least that way, you wouldn't have Kerry travelling to Monaghan to play, instead they could play counties within a geographical area. Play the last two rounds of the league next year before the 2021 league and championship.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1907 - 16/10/2020 14:38:38
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Replying To TheFlaker: "We all want it to go ahead. You are hardly on your own there. You have now ignored your stupid post about survival of the fittest. Hard luck with the smart **** comment. It would work better if you could spell Mayo." It would work better if ye could pronounce it yourselves but anyway,
you ignore the fact that you were wrong, well done.typical.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2733 - 16/10/2020 14:53:20
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Replying To JoeSoap: "Jesus you are pathetic" Joedope would suit you better.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2733 - 16/10/2020 14:54:26
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "You'll be ok snowflake, just hide behind the sofa!!" How childish are you?
We need to protect people and reduce the risk of spreading covid and some games cant be played because of that
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 16/10/2020 16:07:40
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Joedope would suit you better." great to see people like you still out bud, not listening to the constant panic and fear mongering going on in this country that has it on its knees socially and economically.
preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 16/10/2020 16:13:30
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Joedope would suit you better." Top notch. Are you a pal of Niall McConnell?
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 16/10/2020 16:22:41
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Some things make me cringe about the opinions and facts given about this virus. Like it is no worse than the flue. Wrong it is somewhere like five times more infectious (science experts and facts). The other one is that more people will die from the flue, cancer and other diseases this year than covid 19. Playing down its effect and suggesting it is acceptable to lose these extra lives on top of all the others. If you expand that out if there were several different virus out there and thousands were dying from each, it is not too bad because no one of them singly is causing more deaths than the flu. I will go further and say that these dismissive attitudes are contributing to the spread of the disease and certainly why the U.S. has the most deaths per capita than any where else in the world.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2653 - 16/10/2020 16:23:20
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "It would work better if ye could pronounce it yourselves but anyway,
you ignore the fact that you were wrong, well done.typical." Great comeback Gemma
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7882 - 16/10/2020 16:34:20
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Absolute disaster has been county finals in gaa.
1 A club in Armagh won county final, 31 out of 33 of the panel had covid afterwards and 100 people in surrounding village also.
2 Moycullen in Galway won first ever senior county title. Afterwards massive outbreak in panel which has spilled over into local area
3 Ballivor and Rataoth won county titles in Meath. Afterward many players tested positive and both Ballivor and Rataoth have huge numbers of cases in the town.
4 Outbreaks in Cavan and Wexford and kildare have also being linked to county finals
One of the things that happened was players filled the cup up with drink and all drank from the same cup afterwards and then preceded to visit all the local pubs and many local houses in the parish. GAA response to this, we should have took the cup off the winning team after the ceremony, just after the match.
I also know today of a kildare town, where the local GAA club were in the couty final recently. And 10 players were tested with the virus afterwards. And their teenage sisters and brothers have been also being effected from close contact with these players and so now the virus has spread to local secondary chool. Talking to one teacher today she says 4 students in her class have the virus all got from close contact with 10 gaa players who picked it up after county final. There is many many more examples across country we are not hearing of.
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4 The scenes in Blackrock Cork after the County final.win when the team and supporters marched through the town with the cup like a st patricks day parade. No social distancing at matchs as crowds all atop of each other and more then 200 people at county finals.
5 An ex county player resigned from management of Offaly club team as he was not happy with issues over a case
6 In Waterford hurling final, player was waiting for test yet he was allowed to play in final. His later test proved he had the virus.
7 A minor player was waiting on a test he was allowed to travel on packed bus with rest of panel to county final he was tested positive
8 Donegal, Fermanagh and Armagh have had to cancel matchs and training as players in all 3 counties have got the virus. Fermamagh are playing Clare at weekend and so many Fermanagh players have the virus they might not
be able to field a team.
9 6 Wexford GAA players have been tested positive for the virus in the last few days.
There are some of the known cases whats happenned in GAA, its pretty certain there is many more cases like the above not being reported in GAA. We have seen with the soccer team how quickly with sportspeople how they can get afftected. Yet in the next 2 weeks 32 counties in the island will engage in a national competition, (basically amateur players many of them frontline workers )will be on packed buses and criss cross the country and criss crossing the border, which happens to be one of the areas with the worst effected cases in Europe. Yet starting at the weekend, this is only starting. It reminds me of what a once great gaa president from Mayo who was also a doctor said when he talked about the scourge of drink on Irish society. He wrote a book called "No one shouted stop". I think that title of that book is apt now, No one shouted stop.
What the hell are the GAA at, an amateur organistion having a national competition in two jurisdictions, one of which has highest number of cases in Europe, what are they at, having an All Ireland championship as a world wide pandemic is its second wave as cases explode across the island. You couldnt think of a worst 2 months then November and December to have the championship as the second waves peaks. Will anyone in the GAA hierachy shout stop? It really looks like an amateur association acting like amateurs. In March the GAA did excellent work now they will have PR disaster on there hands at the very least, just because in the words of great late Eugene McGee who once said every decision the GAA makes goes back to money. You take the Sky deal, the super 8s and now the championship going ahead. Its all to do with money, games played means the GAA will get money from broadcasters. Its totally against what GAA should stand for. Just when the GAA should be showing example and leadership to young people, to everyone they are doing the opposite and if anything are super spreaders in terms of cases currently. I can see the championship starting but there is not a hope in hell , zero chance of it finishing. Other organisation like hockey and basketball have stopped all adult competitons on the island. But the issues, the growing rate of numbers will increase and the GAA will have played an helping hand in that. It really is crazy when you sit down and think of it. Call of the All Ireland championship and play them when it is safe to do so. Its very simple. But where is the leadership in the GAA. No where to be seen.
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Looking at posts on this topic. What are some of ye at? Is it that pubs are not open for in-house drinking thus a lot of time on yer hands.
Could I ask all to kindly refrain from taking the forum to drift from the subject of the GAA and COVID19 consequences for the sport.
Why are there so many using what they think are "smart"!! vendettas on their agenda.
To conclude please respect users on this forum and kindly keep comments re all GAA related matters including covid19.
If some are unaware, please note this is a GAA forum.
I am sure you can browse and find another forum to discuss other matters
WISHING ALL USERS GOOD HEALTH IN THE CURRENT CLIMATE AND IN THE POST COVID19 ERA.
Shannonview (Leitrim) - Posts: 72 - 16/10/2020 18:41:52
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