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Hurling Referees Destroying Hurling

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Replying To Canuck:  "If you take a broader look at any game and not just your own obvious team desire you can see and learn a lot. 99% of what occurs is the result of player action not the referee. Saying that he does have influence on how things may go from game to game. Looking at Limerick and Waterford (not because we were involved) yesterday this was not a softy softy game but there seemed to ba mutual respect by the players and ref of each other. It seems that one incident in any game by one player or the ref can trend what is going to happen.
There are some frustrating aspects to the game now. Like the rucking. An uneven number of players may arise at the ball together. That can not be avoided. However six more arrive that can be avoiding by penalizing anymore entrance to that ruck. Then the ref blows it up turns around quick and throws the ball 9 times out of 10 to the advantage of one team. This throw in is some what similar to the face off in hockey but the face off has to be and is fair to both teams. So important in a possession game. However the purist will say leave hurling alone. It is perfect. A wise person once said do what you did yesterday and you will fail. Do what you are doing today and you will fail. Do what you need to do for tomorrow you will grow and prosper."
Yes Canuck but change for changes sake is no good either. Tbh now that we have come to the end of the league bit of the league it has to be said that the new structure is probably not as good as the old. The stronger counties took it even less seriously as there was no real threat of relegation and the weaker counties possibly with the exception of Westmeath didnt seem to improve over the weeks it was played.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 906 - 08/03/2020 19:17:00    2272874

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes Canuck but change for changes sake is no good either. Tbh now that we have come to the end of the league bit of the league it has to be said that the new structure is probably not as good as the old. The stronger counties took it even less seriously as there was no real threat of relegation and the weaker counties possibly with the exception of Westmeath didnt seem to improve over the weeks it was played."
The reality Viking66 is that when these teams come in they are 25 points behind the top teams. Some thinking outside the box is required. Like in the round robin if they keep below double digits they get a point. Make it a three point game except when they go head to head. That is not patronizing them just setting realist goals. Soon they will feel they can win. Either that or just have a super league and leave them out because this yo yo stuff has long proved it is going no where.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 859 - 08/03/2020 19:59:29    2272884

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Replying To wexico15:  "33 frees awarded by Johnny Murphy today after the 50 in croke park 2 weeks ago"
33 frees that is a lot of stoppages and you 50 in another game! How can a game as short with running clock sustain that amount of stoppages?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4367 - 08/03/2020 19:59:31    2272885

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Replying To ke40:  "Was at the Offaly game and all I can say is the standard of referring was shocking. 6 minutes flashed up for injury time the ref plays 8 and within the two magic extra minutes Antrim get two goals to put Offaly out of the final. Head high dangerous tackle in the second half was a yellow, throwing the ball in I don't know how many times into a group of players then having to stop the game again to through it in again. Very harsh on Offaly who in my mind were the better team."
Wasn't at the game but on RTÉ last night they seemed to suggest that there were a couple of injuries in the added time which accounted for the additional time added on. Regardless, a team 6 points up going in to added time should be able to see out 8 minutes - especially given they were the better team...... (though league table would say that Antrim have been the best team in the league this year as unbeaten though who am I to suggest this!)

If you give away a couple of goals in the dying minutes then they need to look at themselves and their game management rather than the ref. If you don't make the Final two then you need to look at your own teams failings over the campaign instead of looking for excuses. No one has a divine right to be in any division - you tend to be in the league relevant to where you currently sit in the pecking order.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3980 - 09/03/2020 13:08:39    2273007

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Replying To Canuck:  "From what I hear Liam Cahill is like that. Thankfully because that is what was needed."
is it though?it was easy for cody,he had players who were just as good on the sideline just itching for a chance.
i might be wrong but i do not think waterford are in that position.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3753 - 09/03/2020 13:16:31    2273010

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Replying To Canuck:  "Does it serve any purpose, improvement for the game or Offaly to have them operating in a lower tier of the game? I feel this relegating up and down on a yearly basis instead of a longer based result and performance analysis. It literally puts them back to square one and how hard is it to pick themselves up again. It always seems that when progress is made in any of the weaker counties there is some sort of a kick in the head to send them backwards again. You know like a punishment system rather than a reward one. Just some thoughts."
possibly not but offaly need to get their own house in order.
they have been absolutely awful at underage hurling for the last 15-20 years.
it is entirely their own fault that they are in such a mess.it is not good enough to just keep extending leagues,etc to suit.
and i would say exactly that if it was my own county.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3753 - 09/03/2020 13:20:11    2273012

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Wasn't at the game but on RTÉ last night they seemed to suggest that there were a couple of injuries in the added time which accounted for the additional time added on. Regardless, a team 6 points up going in to added time should be able to see out 8 minutes - especially given they were the better team...... (though league table would say that Antrim have been the best team in the league this year as unbeaten though who am I to suggest this!)

If you give away a couple of goals in the dying minutes then they need to look at themselves and their game management rather than the ref. If you don't make the Final two then you need to look at your own teams failings over the campaign instead of looking for excuses. No one has a divine right to be in any division - you tend to be in the league relevant to where you currently sit in the pecking order."
Absolutely they don't have a divine right to expect anything, and if Offaly were to get to division 1 they would must probably end up like Laois/Carlow/Westmeath and be hammered by the super powers. I wouldn't begrudge Antrim or Kerry going up as obviously there's great interest in the game there. Offaly know they are not at the top table and in fairness to MF he didn't moan or make excuses he just said there is constant inconsistencies in the GAA and there's no point moaning just move on to the Christy Ring

ke40 (Kildare) - Posts: 187 - 09/03/2020 15:03:09    2273051

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Replying To perfect10:  "possibly not but offaly need to get their own house in order.
they have been absolutely awful at underage hurling for the last 15-20 years.
it is entirely their own fault that they are in such a mess.it is not good enough to just keep extending leagues,etc to suit.
and i would say exactly that if it was my own county."
Perfect 10 I don't know much about structures in Offaly and cannot refute what you are saying. I know any where there are bullish people the result is down cline. The history of the structure of leagues does not have much of a record of improving the underdog. So changing will probable continue.
With regards Cody style working in Waterford. Yes for my life time we were o.k. up to about 12 players but could not top out. However I think that has not been true lately and the best has not been got out of them. Especially through from the Ken McGrath, Mullane, Browne, Brick, Flynn etc. time to now. My worry now is that the graph is on the way back down not up. Liam Cahill has a team of triers now but I wonder about the skill level compared to these guys.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 859 - 09/03/2020 15:18:56    2273054

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Not sure why my messages are getting blocked on this thread but I'll try once more! Yesterday's refereeing performance in tipp Galway game was shocking. Tipp deserves to lose so it's not sour grapes but some of the frees yesterday were amazing!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2859 - 09/03/2020 16:42:37    2273078

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https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/309591

When you have relics of the game coming out with this absolute muck about having no cards, just shows the ref has no chance in hurling.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 449 - 10/03/2020 11:57:27    2273210

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Not sure why my messages are getting blocked on this thread but I'll try once more! Yesterday's refereeing performance in tipp Galway game was shocking. Tipp deserves to lose so it's not sour grapes but some of the frees yesterday were amazing!"
Not sure either why some posts don't appear, if they are not a personal attack or abusive in anyway. I am wondering is it just a technical glitch they don't post.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 859 - 10/03/2020 17:29:55    2273275

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/309591

When you have relics of the game coming out with this absolute muck about having no cards, just shows the ref has no chance in hurling."
It's time we stopped publishing rubbish from players who haven't played in 40/50 yrs

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 974 - 10/03/2020 17:50:58    2273278

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The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Old school as I may be, the game as played today skill, athleticism, speed and entertainment is far superior from the era of the hard men. I remember being told as a child go out and use the timber on him and been referred to as windy if you did not. The hits you received within the rules slowed you down and may winded you a bit but rarely or unlucky except by accident injured you. I think there are enough sensible people involved to ignore this bulls-t and do what is best. There is not a referee in the universe who could ever meet the expectation of this opinion expressed by the former great.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 859 - 10/03/2020 19:49:30    2273292

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