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How fortunate we are to be witnessing events that have never been seen before in the GAA.
The great Kilkenny team of the previous decade and now Ballyhale putting themselves on top of the club All Ireland titles table.
Corofin achieving 3 in a row, something not done previously and Dublin completing the 5 in a row, a new standard at county level.
Kerry's underage teams also have made their mark.

For all the complaining and reasons for it, it's still a golden age with teams that will be remembered long for what they have done and the commitment required to reach these heights.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1223 - 20/01/2020 11:04:50    2261031

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Funny we might be looking in a few years time at the state of play and those of us of a certain age might be reminiscing about how fortunate we were to live and play through a time when there wasn't total domination like there now is. Suppose depends how one defines fortunate. :-)

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3968 - 20/01/2020 11:37:05    2261044

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Funny we might be looking in a few years time at the state of play and those of us of a certain age might be reminiscing about how fortunate we were to live and play through a time when there wasn't total domination like there now is. Suppose depends how one defines fortunate. :-)"
In the club championships there is always a chance that new teams will come along at national level as they are still knockout after county championships. The absurdity of the All Ireland championship means that only the strong now will remain strong and inter County footballers in a lot of counties are just packing it in...

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3752 - 20/01/2020 11:45:39    2261049

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Replying To bennybunny:  "In the club championships there is always a chance that new teams will come along at national level as they are still knockout after county championships. The absurdity of the All Ireland championship means that only the strong now will remain strong and inter County footballers in a lot of counties are just packing it in..."
Which counties are packing it in? If you have a good look at the records alot of these counties never unpacked in the first place

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 20/01/2020 13:30:55    2261090

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I'd personally regard myself as being lucky to have been around in the 1990s, a decade in which the traditional powers in both codes fell back and several unheralded teams were in the mix for Sam and Liam. Clare, Offaly, Wexford made breakthroughs in hurling while Down, Derry, Donegal, Galway upset the applecart in football.

That looks unlikely to happen again any time soon.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 1725 - 20/01/2020 13:56:55    2261104

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I'd personally regard myself as being lucky to have been around in the 1990s, a decade in which the traditional powers in both codes fell back and several unheralded teams were in the mix for Sam and Liam. Clare, Offaly, Wexford made breakthroughs in hurling while Down, Derry, Donegal, Galway upset the applecart in football.

That looks unlikely to happen again any time soon."
I really wish I had known more about football in the 90s as it looks like it was just as crazy as hurling at the time but sadly I was too young to know much about sports outside my families interests

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 20/01/2020 16:12:05    2261139

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I'd personally regard myself as being lucky to have been around in the 1990s, a decade in which the traditional powers in both codes fell back and several unheralded teams were in the mix for Sam and Liam. Clare, Offaly, Wexford made breakthroughs in hurling while Down, Derry, Donegal, Galway upset the applecart in football.

That looks unlikely to happen again any time soon."
Agree. It's boring to see the same winners year in, year out, hell I'd get bored if Galway did a 3 or 4 in a row. Variety is the spice of life.

eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 84 - 20/01/2020 17:28:53    2261150

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Replying To eoghan6688:  "Agree. It's boring to see the same winners year in, year out, hell I'd get bored if Galway did a 3 or 4 in a row. Variety is the spice of life."
I'd highly recommend it! ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3282 - 20/01/2020 17:49:13    2261159

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I have to agree with other replies; I personally don't think we're fortunate at all, these are most unfortunate times I feel, apart from if you're a Dub of course. Im also speaking as a football man and with respect to the teams you're mentioning, the lack of competition in the inter-county (football) championships is alarming and disheartening, the collapse of the traditional provincial championships, the mass exodus of county players from almost all county sides, the rise and continuance of AFL teams picking the best young players, the crisis in relation to rule changes, the constant restructuring of league and championship format, the silent compliance and culture of turning the shoulder in nearly two decades of skewed funding and resources, continuing decline in match attendances, the prevalence of tactics which are boring, negative, and cynical, external competition from ever explosive and popular sports, the list goes on, and Im not addressing the club game at all. These are testing times. Dark times even. And Im saying that as someone who has utmost respect of the Dublin 5 in a row team, and I don't wish to take away from them at all. If we have 5/6 fresh all Ireland winning teams between now and the end of 2029 id consider that a great victory for the game, but alas I cant see that happening and I worry for the near future of the game. A golden era to me would be a fair championship or a fair 2/3 tier system where we see a genuine equality of opportunity for all teams, as much possible variety in winners as a high standard can allow, and total equality as regard funding, and player/coach financial and social compensation for their efforts.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 226 - 20/01/2020 18:02:34    2261161

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Fortunate if your from those counties and are a supporter of those teams. Great achievements but fact is we all only care about our own teams and the same teams winning everything every year is boring from the neutrals perspective.

Not taking anything away from the serial winners...they have earned it and good luck to them.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10077 - 20/01/2020 18:47:45    2261172

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I'd highly recommend it! ;)"
This gave me a nice chuckle

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 20/01/2020 19:29:54    2261183

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Galway and Limerick winning All Ireland's after decades without. The Hardest and closest contested football finals in the history of the GAA. Donegal winning their second ever Sam Maguire and contesting another. Of course teams have regressed but that's always been the case. Of course the 90s threw up multiple winners and while that's great for those counties it would be an oddity to have it maintained. It's the norm in sport for there to be teams and individuals that dominate.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1223 - 20/01/2020 21:16:14    2261214

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Obviously as a Dub I've lapped it up and these have been the best years of my life as a blues supporter. But I'd have to give credit to other counties for that also as the most exciting games that I have ever witnessed have been during this era, granted we've been lucky enough to come out the right side of those games but they have been enthralling. The 1 point win in 11, those epic battles with Mayo, draws and 1 point wins, that 2015 semi against Kerry, the drawn final last year - all riveting, heart stopping games and some of the most entertaining to have ever been played. Had the Dubs come out the wrong side of some of those narrow wins then perhaps they may have won 3 since 2011 and not 7 and people would have proclaimed it a golden age for football. Instead a few kicks of a ball and instead it's "boring". It's been a great few years for the Dubs but I feel the gap is closing now with the changing of the guard. But as a blue I've been blessed to have witnessed this era.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4227 - 20/01/2020 23:28:31    2261235

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Replying To catch22:  "How fortunate we are to be witnessing events that have never been seen before in the GAA.
The great Kilkenny team of the previous decade and now Ballyhale putting themselves on top of the club All Ireland titles table.
Corofin achieving 3 in a row, something not done previously and Dublin completing the 5 in a row, a new standard at county level.
Kerry's underage teams also have made their mark.

For all the complaining and reasons for it, it's still a golden age with teams that will be remembered long for what they have done and the commitment required to reach these heights."
I couldn't disagree more, I think it's a golden era in hurling, but football is a complete and utter bore, and the club final last Sunday just went to prove how bad football can be. Yes Dublin are an amazing side, and are arguably the greatest side ever, but is this a golden age for the GAA, certainly not in my humble opinion.

gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 71 - 21/01/2020 08:38:45    2261253

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My opinion is GAA is in big trouble, football is at a very low ebb with poor standards being allowed to developed and the wrong rule changes being introduced. There is also no leadership at the top. Hurling counties should consider pulling away from GAA and create their own organisation for their own benefit

inisfwee (USA) - Posts: 7 - 21/01/2020 11:16:26    2261277

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Replying To inisfwee:  "My opinion is GAA is in big trouble, football is at a very low ebb with poor standards being allowed to developed and the wrong rule changes being introduced. There is also no leadership at the top. Hurling counties should consider pulling away from GAA and create their own organisation for their own benefit"
Yes I think we should be included after winning the O Byrne cup at the weekend. Oh Colm P Smith

areyouconcernnnned (Longford) - Posts: 11 - 21/01/2020 12:02:56    2261288

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Replying To catch22:  "Galway and Limerick winning All Ireland's after decades without. The Hardest and closest contested football finals in the history of the GAA. Donegal winning their second ever Sam Maguire and contesting another. Of course teams have regressed but that's always been the case. Of course the 90s threw up multiple winners and while that's great for those counties it would be an oddity to have it maintained. It's the norm in sport for there to be teams and individuals that dominate."
Donegal's All-Ireland victory was eight years ago now, in fairness. Dublin have lost one championship game since then and they strolled through the championship again last year.

Sure, Galway and Limerick winning Liam were great occasions, but Tipp and Kilkenny again contested the hurling showpiece last August and I'd hope that those wins weren't a flash in the pan. Lots of people thought Clare were going to be a serial contender after winning it in 2013, with their young panel boasting several All-Irelands through the underage grades, but it proved not to be the case. Kilkenny and Tipp shared the next three championships between them.

A lot of people complained about the football championship back in the 2000-10 era too, but we had Galway, Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cork win it in one decade. Not a bad spread.

All I'm saying is, a lot of people would class a "golden era" based on how competitive the championship is. We certainly can't say that about football at the moment.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 1725 - 21/01/2020 12:31:05    2261297

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Donegal's All-Ireland victory was eight years ago now, in fairness. Dublin have lost one championship game since then and they strolled through the championship again last year.

Sure, Galway and Limerick winning Liam were great occasions, but Tipp and Kilkenny again contested the hurling showpiece last August and I'd hope that those wins weren't a flash in the pan. Lots of people thought Clare were going to be a serial contender after winning it in 2013, with their young panel boasting several All-Irelands through the underage grades, but it proved not to be the case. Kilkenny and Tipp shared the next three championships between them.

A lot of people complained about the football championship back in the 2000-10 era too, but we had Galway, Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cork win it in one decade. Not a bad spread.

All I'm saying is, a lot of people would class a "golden era" based on how competitive the championship is. We certainly can't say that about football at the moment."
Just saying KK and Tipp contested this years final isnt giving enough credit to the state of hurling at the moment. Neither won their provence and both were taken to the line in the semis. Last year Cork and Clare took Limk and Galway to extratime and a replay and Waterford were in the 17 final. Also tring to pick a clear favorite for next years provences or AI is as tough as any competition I know of.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 21/01/2020 14:10:38    2261326

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Replying To Breezy:  "Which counties are packing it in? If you have a good look at the records alot of these counties never unpacked in the first place"
If you read the text, i said players and not counties

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3752 - 21/01/2020 16:55:31    2261373

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It has been a poor decade just gone , well for football anyway and this decade will probably be more of the same when you have one team being given a money advantage and everyone else trying to catch up and I know il get our money troubles fired at me now and we've got problems no doubt but that doesn't detract from what's going on in Dublin.
Hurling has been good in my honest opinion and that's not just because we won an all Ireland.

Johnnyprophet (Galway) - Posts: 15 - 21/01/2020 17:54:21    2261383

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