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Replying To Furlong1949: "What? Driver drinks in Galway dressing room. And show me the evidence this happenned. Actual evidence this happened. Yes and Fairys and goblins were also drinking bottle in the dressing room also. I dont belive in fairytales clearly you heard this after drinking ten pints in Tuam one night. Bar stool gaa tales are the maddest.
Joyce would have scored 16 or 17 points. Did Joyce ever score 16 or 17 points in the championship..As any player ever scored 16 or 17 points in the championship in a big game in Croker. Its like your saying Joyce would have scored a million points or thousand points or ten thousand points. He didnt. He scored 2 on Fay. Thats it. Fay kept him scoreless in the first half. He caused Fay problems becaude Joyce is one tbe gteatest forwards of all time. Joyce had a touch of genius. Joyce was a great great great player. I have no problem saying that. I believe in honouring our great players from the past.
If you want to go into records, Galways record in last 50 years is poor for county Galway size and stauture. Tbe greatness of Galway football is from 1930 to 1966 with 7 All Irelands. Galway were a superpower back then . Since 1966 Galway record is very patchy
In last 50 years Meath, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone, Offaly, Down, Dublin have all won more All.Irelands then Galway. You take away the glory years of 98 to 01 its very patchy. Galway didnt win a champiomship match in Croker in 14 years from 1984 to 1998. Galway didnt win a championship match in Croker in 17 years from 2001 to 2018 when they beat kerry for the first time in the championship in over 50 years. Galway havent beaten Dublin in championship in over 90 years. Mayo have beaten some best team in the country outside Connacht in last 15 years. Mayo have beaten Kerry , Dublin twice, Tyrone, Donegal, Cork. So many of them were All Ireland winners. Galway have only beaten 4 of the best teams in the country outside Connacht in last 50 years eg Armagh 01, Meath 01, kildare 98 and Kerry 2018. Those Armagh , Meath teams won Sam and kildare and kerry teams reached the final. Mayo have beaten All Ireland champions and the best teams in the country in the year they beat them.many times in the last 15 years outside Connacht. Outside Connacht Galways record is very patchy v top teams, v All Ireland winners, v best teams in the country with only 4 wins v such opposiition since 1966. Galways greatness was in the 40s 50s and 60s. All time great players all.time great teams..With exception of 1998 to 01. Galways record in last 50 years is very patchy.
This is not something I enjoy saying. Because Galway is one our great counties, a great gaa county.GAA needs a strong galway. I hope we see a strong Galway in years to come. Like any proper Gael we all want to see a strong Galway. I am a fan of Galway hurling players like Joe Cooney, Brendan Lynskey, Joe Rabbitee, Damien Hayes, Peter Finnerty and of course the great Joe Canning. 87 88 Galway team is one of my favourite gaa teams . I feel over the years the hurlers in Galway got allot of criticism, people said they should have won more All Ireland. But they were always contenders, the football team record was much more patchier and seemed to get very little criticism or attention. I could be wrong with the last point. But I just felt that." Furlong, I'm keeping you busy, did you ever hear the one about the communications expert telling politicians? "when you are explaining you are losing"
Sure come back to me when you've your next bit of research carried out.
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Replying To Lasvegas: "I completely disagree! All I ever hear about free takers (club and county) is typically "he scored 10 points automatic man of the match." Though 8 were from frees and the free taker gets the plaudits from the public... particularly the public that haven't seen the match. Therefore it is very important to highlight the amount of scores that were accumulated from free kicks.
Nobody ever asks "who won the frees?". And "from frees" doesnt make the score insignificant, it just helps readers understand that the player may not be the messi/ronaldo of gaa and give a fairer reflection of what players are scoring.
it is a specialist area of the game and requires good skill, but at the end of the day it's a team game with many skills and positions. Credit and critisism should be taken across the board... lots of these frees are tap overs too which you or me could deal with" I suppose its in the eye of the beholder, for informative purposes its how you value scoring. if you attatch more import to lads socring not from a dead ball, then that is subjective personal opinion.
Its an irreverent stat, because it doesn't change the score of the game, it would be different if it was 2 point from a score from play and 1 from a dead ball. Im not sure one skill outweighs the other as in kicking a dead ball vs scoring from play, i think both are skillful in their own right. In many ways i think dead ball kickers can be more skillful then forwards who dont kick dead balls. Its just a different yet necessary but likely more important skill set. a county that doesn't have a spevialist dead ball kicker who can kick 80-90 % of dead balls dont get very far in the modern game. There is also no other position in the game that test an individuals mental strength then a dead ball kicker. Its an extremely specialist position which is why i often feels the "from play" piece dumbs down the extreme practical and mental skill set it requires.
The tap over argument can be applied either way, you can get a tap over free, you can a tap over point by work made by the rest of the team to through many phases. You are right it is a team game, lets be honest though, with a good free kick taker teams are likely to go down softer within range rather then take a chance on themselves.
Its all personal opinion at the end of the day though, we are however living in a time where we are looking at some truly wonderful dead ball free takers, O Connor is one, Sean O Shea another, Dean Rock is out of this world, you could go on, their contribution to the games and results over a long number of years is truly wonderful and every inch elite players in a particular and rare branch of skill sets in the game.
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Yes he was. And Offaly ran riot scoring goal after goal running up the heart of the Meath defence. Roy Malohe the Offaly full forward ran riot in Fays absence..Still saying that Offaly had two class corner forwards Vinny Claffey and Peter Brady and they did win div 1 league title for the first time ever following spring. .It was a great game, Meath made a comeback in the second half. But the damage was done in first half. But it was a great leinster final, a great year in leinster. Meath v Dublin had cracking game in first round. Then Meath had 3 game saga v kildare. 2nd. game according to Michael Muiritigh said it was one of the greatest games ever played in Croke Park. And then a great final. 50000 plus at every match. Great games , great contests , 4 of the best teams in the country in leinster at the time." Aye the 90's will there ever be a decade as competitive again, 8 different AI winners - 4 different Leinster winners, 3 Munster (including Clare), 4 Connacht (including Leitrim) and 6 Ulster
Back to the topic at hand. I think Kerry will all but relegate Meath this weekend. 4 away games and numerous injuries too much to ask any newly promoted team. Who goes with them will probably go to the last day
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Replying To TheUsername: "I suppose its in the eye of the beholder, for informative purposes its how you value scoring. if you attatch more import to lads socring not from a dead ball, then that is subjective personal opinion.
Its an irreverent stat, because it doesn't change the score of the game, it would be different if it was 2 point from a score from play and 1 from a dead ball. Im not sure one skill outweighs the other as in kicking a dead ball vs scoring from play, i think both are skillful in their own right. In many ways i think dead ball kickers can be more skillful then forwards who dont kick dead balls. Its just a different yet necessary but likely more important skill set. a county that doesn't have a spevialist dead ball kicker who can kick 80-90 % of dead balls dont get very far in the modern game. There is also no other position in the game that test an individuals mental strength then a dead ball kicker. Its an extremely specialist position which is why i often feels the "from play" piece dumbs down the extreme practical and mental skill set it requires.
The tap over argument can be applied either way, you can get a tap over free, you can a tap over point by work made by the rest of the team to through many phases. You are right it is a team game, lets be honest though, with a good free kick taker teams are likely to go down softer within range rather then take a chance on themselves.
Its all personal opinion at the end of the day though, we are however living in a time where we are looking at some truly wonderful dead ball free takers, O Connor is one, Sean O Shea another, Dean Rock is out of this world, you could go on, their contribution to the games and results over a long number of years is truly wonderful and every inch elite players in a particular and rare branch of skill sets in the game." Although it pains me to say it I think Rock has taken free taking to a new level. Our Cillian was almost at that level a few years back but Rock is a freak. Young O Shea has the potential but has some way to go yet. We were discussing skillful players earlier on this thread and there were few players as skillful as Diarmuid Connolly about over the last ten years. If I had a choice between going to see Connolly and Rock play I would go and see Connolly every time but if I had a to choice between having himself or Rock on a team I'd pick Rock every time.
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Replying To TheUsername: "I suppose its in the eye of the beholder, for informative purposes its how you value scoring. if you attatch more import to lads socring not from a dead ball, then that is subjective personal opinion.
Its an irreverent stat, because it doesn't change the score of the game, it would be different if it was 2 point from a score from play and 1 from a dead ball. Im not sure one skill outweighs the other as in kicking a dead ball vs scoring from play, i think both are skillful in their own right. In many ways i think dead ball kickers can be more skillful then forwards who dont kick dead balls. Its just a different yet necessary but likely more important skill set. a county that doesn't have a spevialist dead ball kicker who can kick 80-90 % of dead balls dont get very far in the modern game. There is also no other position in the game that test an individuals mental strength then a dead ball kicker. Its an extremely specialist position which is why i often feels the "from play" piece dumbs down the extreme practical and mental skill set it requires.
The tap over argument can be applied either way, you can get a tap over free, you can a tap over point by work made by the rest of the team to through many phases. You are right it is a team game, lets be honest though, with a good free kick taker teams are likely to go down softer within range rather then take a chance on themselves.
Its all personal opinion at the end of the day though, we are however living in a time where we are looking at some truly wonderful dead ball free takers, O Connor is one, Sean O Shea another, Dean Rock is out of this world, you could go on, their contribution to the games and results over a long number of years is truly wonderful and every inch elite players in a particular and rare branch of skill sets in the game." Yeah, it is subjective and I would never devalue a point from a free in comparrison to one from play as they can be hard enough won and scored. I agree that a good freetaker is invaluable to a team... but I dont think a freetaker should be getting magnified praise for kicking team scores.
This doesnt apply as much to county football that is televised and watched by many, it is more relevant to club and underage where people only see the stats. If the free count isn't shown one player may always look like a hero although he might have played useless. An unfair advantage over other players and not good for the confidence of a young lad not on frees to constantly hear about jimmy down the road being a great player putting up huge scores by people that mightnt even go to matches. (A perceived notion around that would go around a parish in this situation)
In terms of the skill levels, usually free takers are the more talented footballers on a team anyways and many of them may be happy to have the free count displayed for when they play and score well for the team. Ie. Joyce in that 2001 final scoring 10pts (5frees), is a lot more impressive than joyce 10 pts (and know idea if the 10 of them were frees won by his teammates or not).
As you said tho it is subjective and depends on what you look for in a game. P.s I do value the dead ball specialists and their mental strengths, ....dont know if dublin would have 5 in a row without an exceptional freetaker in dean rock
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Replying To mhunicean_abu: "Aye the 90's will there ever be a decade as competitive again, 8 different AI winners - 4 different Leinster winners, 3 Munster (including Clare), 4 Connacht (including Leitrim) and 6 Ulster
Back to the topic at hand. I think Kerry will all but relegate Meath this weekend. 4 away games and numerous injuries too much to ask any newly promoted team. Who goes with them will probably go to the last day" I think it is tough to tell who the 2nd team going down is, but I would have to say I fear for mayo. They just have a lot of players out and are struggling at the minute, outside of kerry and dublin,
monaghan have been really impressive and have hit the ground running under banty.
Donegal have been very unlucky vs mayo and galway not to have maximum points. They have 2 marquee forwards in brennan and murphy. And with mcbrearty back they will be dangerous come summer
Galway are playing with a great freedom under joyce. The players were always there but now you can feel good vibes in the camp and with the corofin lads back in the panel there will be great hunger for spots.
Tyrone had been my favourites to go down but now with mcshane back and a win over kerry I feel that they might have just got the injection they needed and their season might start from here.
Who knows tho... these games are extremely competitive and opinions could change very quickly week to week and fortune vs misfortune will play a big part at both ends of the division
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Replying To Lasvegas: "I think it is tough to tell who the 2nd team going down is, but I would have to say I fear for mayo. They just have a lot of players out and are struggling at the minute, outside of kerry and dublin,
monaghan have been really impressive and have hit the ground running under banty.
Donegal have been very unlucky vs mayo and galway not to have maximum points. They have 2 marquee forwards in brennan and murphy. And with mcbrearty back they will be dangerous come summer
Galway are playing with a great freedom under joyce. The players were always there but now you can feel good vibes in the camp and with the corofin lads back in the panel there will be great hunger for spots.
Tyrone had been my favourites to go down but now with mcshane back and a win over kerry I feel that they might have just got the injection they needed and their season might start from here.
Who knows tho... these games are extremely competitive and opinions could change very quickly week to week and fortune vs misfortune will play a big part at both ends of the division" Mayo always find a way to survive. I think this weekends game between themselves and Monaghan will go along way to deciding the 2nd relegation spot.
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Replying To Lasvegas: "Yeah, it is subjective and I would never devalue a point from a free in comparrison to one from play as they can be hard enough won and scored. I agree that a good freetaker is invaluable to a team... but I dont think a freetaker should be getting magnified praise for kicking team scores.
This doesnt apply as much to county football that is televised and watched by many, it is more relevant to club and underage where people only see the stats. If the free count isn't shown one player may always look like a hero although he might have played useless. An unfair advantage over other players and not good for the confidence of a young lad not on frees to constantly hear about jimmy down the road being a great player putting up huge scores by people that mightnt even go to matches. (A perceived notion around that would go around a parish in this situation)
In terms of the skill levels, usually free takers are the more talented footballers on a team anyways and many of them may be happy to have the free count displayed for when they play and score well for the team. Ie. Joyce in that 2001 final scoring 10pts (5frees), is a lot more impressive than joyce 10 pts (and know idea if the 10 of them were frees won by his teammates or not).
As you said tho it is subjective and depends on what you look for in a game. P.s I do value the dead ball specialists and their mental strengths, ....dont know if dublin would have 5 in a row without an exceptional freetaker in dean rock" Ah i see were you are coming from a Lasvegas, be lying if i said i hadnt encountered that "star" piece in working with young lads and needing to maximise the collective.
I think all scores are team scores really, whether its a free one or one scored after several phases of play, but i know where you coming from coaching young lads especially in a parish.
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "Although it pains me to say it I think Rock has taken free taking to a new level. Our Cillian was almost at that level a few years back but Rock is a freak. Young O Shea has the potential but has some way to go yet. We were discussing skillful players earlier on this thread and there were few players as skillful as Diarmuid Connolly about over the last ten years. If I had a choice between going to see Connolly and Rock play I would go and see Connolly every time but if I had a to choice between having himself or Rock on a team I'd pick Rock every time." Deano is wonderful, hes really honed his craft, i think he has the right balance between ability and mental strength that's needed. Hes very underrated from play in my opinion and as a player generally. If i had to single out one Dublin performance as the best over the last decade, i think it was Deano in the drawn final last year.
Cilian is terrific as well, i think injuries have hampered him a lot in recent years but on his day hes one of the best there is, his scoring history is incredible and hes still relatively young, i also think hes an underrated forward from play.
I have to say Sean O Shea is one of the best dead ball kickers i have seen, hes incredible if he gets a free inside the 50 your toast, his game maybe isnt as well rounded as the above two but hes young and keen and is such a powerful weapon and you would fully expect that to come.
There are many more around the country really, Brian Hurley and Connor McMannus spring to miind as well, its is a great time for dead ball kickers.
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Galway v Tyrone - Galway by 4 (he said smiling!)
I would like to see McShane back if for no other reason than to test our FB line. No point finding out in a Connacht Final!
Monaghan v Mayo - Monaghan by 2
The two grittiest teams in the league. Only difference is Conor McManus. What a player.
Realistically the top 2 games could go either way.
Dublin v Donegal - Dublin by 5
Hard to see Donegal getting anything from Dublin but it depends on Dublins team. Donegal are not bad but you would expect Dublin to be getting better every week.
Kerry v Meath - Kerry by 5
I think this could be interesting. Meath run hard and direct with a lot of pace and create a lot of goal chances. Some day a few will go in. Kerrys defence is suspect. We missed at least 4 goal chances against them. Saying that Kerry have oddles of class on the ball so i still expect them to win comfortable even if they do show some vulnerabilities.
Great league. With the exception of Dublin the next 6 teams could beat each other on any given day. Meath are building and should be in that bracket before long but not this year.
Hopefully the weather will give us a break this weekend.
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Meath have to win, they will
Tyrone/Galway draw
Dublin win
Mayo win
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I only got one right last time out so this weekend I will go with:
Dubs v Donegal.....................Dubs
Galway v Tyrone....................Galway
Monaghan v Mayo.................Monaghan
Kerry v Meath.........................Kerry
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Dubs v Donegal.....................Dubs
Galway v Tyrone....................Tyrone
Monaghan v Mayo.................Monaghan
Kerry v Meath.........................Kerry
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/02/2020 22:49:44
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Dubs v Donegal.....................If Donegal can learn that they need to play in the 4th quarter then they could win but all logic says Dublin.
Galway v Tyrone....................Home advantage in inhospitable & windy Salthill to swing it for Galway
Monaghan v Mayo.................Monaghan the surprise packet of Div 1 to win.
Kerry v Meath.........................Kerry by a cricket score if they are in the mood.
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Dubs v Donegal.....................Draw
Galway v Tyrone....................Galway
Monaghan v Mayo.................Monaghan
Kerry v Meath.........................Kerry
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Dubs v Donegal.....................Dubs
Galway v Tyrone....................Galway
Monaghan v Mayo.................Mayo
Kerry v Meath.........................Kerry
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Dublin v Donegal: Dublin to respond to their insipid first 60 minutes v Monaghan with a more complete display.
Monaghan v Mayo: Probably the most likely game to be the 4th draw in this years top Division. Spiky affair but if Monaghan have McManus and Mayo don't have O'Connor, the home side should nick it.
Galway v Tyrone: The jury is still out on Tyrone. Beat the whipping boys of Meath in first game. Desperately poor v Monaghan in 2nd game but then rebound with a win v Kerry albeit on a very poor day for a game. Galway seem to have the handbrake taken off under Joyce. I'd fancy Galway.
Kerry v Meath: Meath to learn another harsh lesson about Div One. I think Kerry were always going to give a reaction to a disappointing result in Edendork. It's just Meath's bad luck that it's they who are in the firing line.
So, in short, 4 home wins!
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Replying To MuckrossHead: "Dubs v Donegal.....................If Donegal can learn that they need to play in the 4th quarter then they could win but all logic says Dublin.
Galway v Tyrone....................Home advantage in inhospitable & windy Salthill to swing it for Galway
Monaghan v Mayo.................Monaghan the surprise packet of Div 1 to win.
Kerry v Meath.........................Kerry by a cricket score if they are in the mood." Its on in Tuam
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Replying To maroondiesel: "Meath have to win, they will
Tyrone/Galway draw
Dublin win
Mayo win" Meath have to win , they won't.
Monaghan, Galway win , Dublin & Donegal draw.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 20/02/2020 09:29:16
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