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Sigerson And Fitzgibbon

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Now that these two competitions have been shoved into the worst time of year it is time they took their futures into their own hands. There current problems stem from the "mercenary"'student policies of the colleges have got involved in ever since Tralee IT (Jim McGuiness et al) back in the late 90's.

Before that the competition was most for under graduates and didn't clash with inter county football to any great extent.

The current situation leave them with two Options to keep going as a successful Competition.
1. Get back to undergraduates only and only with the college who you first went to and move into Feb/March
2. Keep post grad county players And move to October

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 789 - 14/01/2020 23:51:16    2259861

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Now that these two competitions have been shoved into the worst time of year it is time they took their futures into their own hands. There current problems stem from the "mercenary"'student policies of the colleges have got involved in ever since Tralee IT (Jim McGuiness et al) back in the late 90's.

Before that the competition was most for under graduates and didn't clash with inter county football to any great extent.

The current situation leave them with two Options to keep going as a successful Competition.
1. Get back to undergraduates only and only with the college who you first went to and move into Feb/March
2. Keep post grad county players And move to October"
Option 3, get rid of the intercounty pre season competitions and leave January for colleges, intercounty managers will organise challenge games to compensate.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2355 - 15/01/2020 09:37:20    2259906

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Now that these two competitions have been shoved into the worst time of year it is time they took their futures into their own hands. There current problems stem from the "mercenary"'student policies of the colleges have got involved in ever since Tralee IT (Jim McGuiness et al) back in the late 90's.

Before that the competition was most for under graduates and didn't clash with inter county football to any great extent.

The current situation leave them with two Options to keep going as a successful Competition.
1. Get back to undergraduates only and only with the college who you first went to and move into Feb/March
2. Keep post grad county players And move to October"
Lads playing Sigerson And Fitzgibbon for years was happening long before the 90's

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 382 - 15/01/2020 10:15:57    2259916

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I don't think it has to be undergrad only.

Just make it that you can only play Sigerson/Fitzgibbon for one college. So if you do a degree in, say DCU, and then continue there for postgraduate study you're still eligible but if you move to Queens for postgrad you're not able to play.

Or if you do your undergrad at a college that isn't as high as Sigerson/Fitzgibbon you could play Sigerson/Fitzgibbon at your postgrad college.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13047 - 15/01/2020 10:31:22    2259920

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Now that these two competitions have been shoved into the worst time of year it is time they took their futures into their own hands. There current problems stem from the "mercenary"'student policies of the colleges have got involved in ever since Tralee IT (Jim McGuiness et al) back in the late 90's.

Before that the competition was most for under graduates and didn't clash with inter county football to any great extent.

The current situation leave them with two Options to keep going as a successful Competition.
1. Get back to undergraduates only and only with the college who you first went to and move into Feb/March
2. Keep post grad county players And move to October"
Good post, I agree. The third level board which once had clout within the GAA is being treated by Croke Park in the same way as the Post Primary schools GAA & squeezed gradually to extinction. Train hard for one game this year if your knocked out in 1st game, season over, joke The GAA are happy to ignore the Post Primary schools as counties have spent millions on centres of excellence & Development squads to replace them & act as feeders to Inter County. We now have an U17 All Ireland final where 15 & 16 year olds are playing & training at Senior Inter County levels. These lads bodies are still developing & being destroyed by regimes. No mention of the once famous buzzword in Croke Park, Burnout. It looks like the promotion of the U20 League & C'ship is what the GAA want & squeeze out Third Level. The ridiculous situation of guys wanting to play club, Sigerson, U20 & Senior Inter County has to stop as well, Either have different seasons for them or else you choose one or two & let more players participate. Everything is becoming more & more elitist, meanwhile there are thousands of club players & third level players who are forgotten about. The whole scenario of Inter County teams back training since October/November & the glut of fixtures currently shows that there is nobody in charge, it is a complete & utter Fawlty Towers set up.
Basil Fawlty could be the next GAA President.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1014 - 15/01/2020 13:27:01    2259975

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Good post, I agree. The third level board which once had clout within the GAA is being treated by Croke Park in the same way as the Post Primary schools GAA & squeezed gradually to extinction. Train hard for one game this year if your knocked out in 1st game, season over, joke The GAA are happy to ignore the Post Primary schools as counties have spent millions on centres of excellence & Development squads to replace them & act as feeders to Inter County. We now have an U17 All Ireland final where 15 & 16 year olds are playing & training at Senior Inter County levels. These lads bodies are still developing & being destroyed by regimes. No mention of the once famous buzzword in Croke Park, Burnout. It looks like the promotion of the U20 League & C'ship is what the GAA want & squeeze out Third Level. The ridiculous situation of guys wanting to play club, Sigerson, U20 & Senior Inter County has to stop as well, Either have different seasons for them or else you choose one or two & let more players participate. Everything is becoming more & more elitist, meanwhile there are thousands of club players & third level players who are forgotten about. The whole scenario of Inter County teams back training since October/November & the glut of fixtures currently shows that there is nobody in charge, it is a complete & utter Fawlty Towers set up.
Basil Fawlty could be the next GAA President."
The more time passes
it looks like they should have left the minor at u18
the differerence between a 17 or 18 lad and a 15 oor 16 is huge
both mentally and physically

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1151 - 15/01/2020 17:50:55    2260050

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Not familiar with the college setup in Ireland, but in the U.S. you have 4 yrs of eligibility. If you play for the school you are attending and transfer to another usually you have to sit out a year, there are situations where you can play right away. I am not saying college competitions in the U.S. is perfect far from it but if we are stealing from every other sport in the world this might be worth a look. It seems to me the fall has the lightest schedule in the GAA at the moment, except for the Summer of course. The college seasons probably would benefit by playing in October through Deecmber.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 128 - 16/01/2020 12:54:22    2260183

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Replying To gatha:  "Not familiar with the college setup in Ireland, but in the U.S. you have 4 yrs of eligibility. If you play for the school you are attending and transfer to another usually you have to sit out a year, there are situations where you can play right away. I am not saying college competitions in the U.S. is perfect far from it but if we are stealing from every other sport in the world this might be worth a look. It seems to me the fall has the lightest schedule in the GAA at the moment, except for the Summer of course. The college seasons probably would benefit by playing in October through Deecmber."
Something similar here. First year's can't play in the Fitzgibbon or Sigerson. I think 5 years is the max they can play in either, and you can't have done more than two courses I think

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 382 - 16/01/2020 14:09:52    2260200

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