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New Decade Just The One Thread For All Competition Formats?

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Do we really need new thread for every single competition format? Especially with some people who only ever post about formats.
Personally would get rid of all pre season cups. Teams play as many or as few friendlies as they want. League is primary competition sides play. Worh all Ireland and provincial cups played in off weeks of the league. Club games can be worked into the season with off weekends for counties with break periods also worked in to allow clubs games where counties are penalised if fit and available players do not play in club games and give players proper breaks as well.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1202 - 31/12/2019 21:32:26    2256694

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Do we really need new thread for every single competition format? Especially with some people who only ever post about formats.
Personally would get rid of all pre season cups. Teams play as many or as few friendlies as they want. League is primary competition sides play. Worh all Ireland and provincial cups played in off weeks of the league. Club games can be worked into the season with off weekends for counties with break periods also worked in to allow clubs games where counties are penalised if fit and available players do not play in club games and give players proper breaks as well."
The answer to your question is NO we don't.
So why did you just start one???
Your proposed format is interesting but could do with a few tweaks.
1. Change the shape of the ball to oval.
2. Eliminate the 4 steps rule.
3. To improve scoring chances allow goals to be scored by getting the ball over the end line at any point.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 894 - 01/01/2020 11:42:28    2256719

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3. To improve scoring chances allow goals to be scored by getting the ball over the end line at any point.


Definitely worth a try.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3980 - 01/01/2020 14:01:47    2256738

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That's that scundered!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 395 - 01/01/2020 19:37:33    2256759

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Replying To Westfester:  "The answer to your question is NO we don't.
So why did you just start one???
Your proposed format is interesting but could do with a few tweaks.
1. Change the shape of the ball to oval.
2. Eliminate the 4 steps rule.
3. To improve scoring chances allow goals to be scored by getting the ball over the end line at any point."
Why not? There is a few new threads on co.petition formats every week with some ideas rehashed again and again with few if any changes. Why do they need a new thread each time.
What's wrong with my competition format apart from your childish put downs because of its similarity to other sports.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1202 - 01/01/2020 19:54:54    2256761

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That's one converted

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 894 - 01/01/2020 20:09:54    2256764

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Replying To Westfester:  "The answer to your question is NO we don't.
So why did you just start one???
Your proposed format is interesting but could do with a few tweaks.
1. Change the shape of the ball to oval.
2. Eliminate the 4 steps rule.
3. To improve scoring chances allow goals to be scored by getting the ball over the end line at any point."
This is childish and petty and ignores a very valid point about the forum. There is many valid posts from many people including myself about competition formats. I've created more than my share of threads on the issue but fact is there doesn't need to be a new thread each time for anyones football or hurling season structures. There should be a thread for hurling competition structures and another for Gaelic and that's it. Instead of current mess of a new thread for every single idea. This is where an upgraded forum that allows polls/voting and people could easily vote for their favourite and we could gain greater consensus on what hoganstand posters feel are the best ideas for the future

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1202 - 01/01/2020 21:15:36    2256768

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Replying To Westfester:  "The answer to your question is NO we don't.
So why did you just start one???
Your proposed format is interesting but could do with a few tweaks.
1. Change the shape of the ball to oval.
2. Eliminate the 4 steps rule.
3. To improve scoring chances allow goals to be scored by getting the ball over the end line at any point."
I started one as it's boring seeing thread upon thread upon thread on basically the exact same topic. How competitions are structured. Why not keep them in the one thread and not clutter the entire forum up with basically the same discussion.
Your rugby jabs are pathetic and says a lot about you that you have to resort to that instead of actually debating what I postes

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1202 - 01/01/2020 22:18:03    2256771

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Two formats which I prefer to see.

1) Championship based on League

All-Ireland Champions + Tier Two Champions + top 14 teams in the League go into Tier 1. The League would have to be reduced to three divisions. Otherwise, the transition between Divisions 2 and 3 is awkward. Provincials are still an option under this format.

League and Tier 1 Champions play eachother for the Champions Shield on St. Patrick's weekend. Tier 2 Champions head over to play New York.

2) Same format used by most counties for club championships. Two tiers with 4 groups of 4 each. The initial seedings would be based on the League. It will then be divorced from the League and run separately. Tier 2 Champions win promotion to Tier 1. They are replaced by the relegated team from Tier 1. Shield competitions as well.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 01/01/2020 23:19:28    2256778

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How the competitions are scheduled are more important than the formats. Most of the formats people come up with are fine. To know if they'll work in practice you have to come up with a calendar for them.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3035 - 02/01/2020 06:09:47    2256789

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "Two formats which I prefer to see.

1) Championship based on League

All-Ireland Champions + Tier Two Champions + top 14 teams in the League go into Tier 1. The League would have to be reduced to three divisions. Otherwise, the transition between Divisions 2 and 3 is awkward. Provincials are still an option under this format.

League and Tier 1 Champions play eachother for the Champions Shield on St. Patrick's weekend. Tier 2 Champions head over to play New York.

2) Same format used by most counties for club championships. Two tiers with 4 groups of 4 each. The initial seedings would be based on the League. It will then be divorced from the League and run separately. Tier 2 Champions win promotion to Tier 1. They are replaced by the relegated team from Tier 1. Shield competitions as well."
I like your first solution.

I don't like the second. There shouldn't be 1 up 1 down between tiers.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3035 - 02/01/2020 06:11:06    2256790

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I like your first solution.

I don't like the second. There shouldn't be 1 up 1 down between tiers."
The second is more likely to get through. I'll take it over the current format.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 02/01/2020 09:59:51    2256801

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "The second is more likely to get through. I'll take it over the current format."
It's better than the current format.

4 groups of 4 in each tier is fine too.

It's just 1 up 1 down is bad.

You've a problem with more than the tier 2 champion getting promoted which I kind of think is silly.

I'd have 2 up 2 down at a minimum.

I also just think 2 groups of 8 in each tier is better.

There's 17 weeks from Mid May to end of August which the Fixtures review committee are using for the championship window.

Groups of 8 with teams advancing to quarterfinals makes 10 match weekends.

That's a good schedule for players in the summer.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3035 - 02/01/2020 10:14:19    2256806

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I think the league shouldn't have to be completed before the championship starts. Have them played alongside each other. Allow a proper mid season inter county break period where no inter county games played and allow players go back to clubs in that time and then have proper off season as well

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1202 - 02/01/2020 10:42:23    2256815

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