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Replying To Mailman98:  "Frank McGlynn or Paul Murphy for Keegan. Murphy was Man of the Match on a winning all ireland final team. Dean Rock, Paul Mannion, Paddy McBrearty and arguably Colm McFadden are more deserving than McManus. Players who played only half of the decade should be rated on their performances in those years. Keegan and McManus are being over-rated in this discussion because they played most of the decade but if you look at it another way they failed to achieve their goal for all of those years."
As well as winning POTY and multiple all-stars for his defending, Leroy is the highest scoring defender of all time (not just in the last decade), all of it from play. I think that sets him apart from those other worthy players.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 10/01/2020 17:38:56    2258778

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Replying To Gator:  "There is no logic"
couldn't be lad, sure apparently boys are only picking McManus and Keegan because they have played for the whole decade. We may as well throw Darren Hughes and James Loughrey into the mix.. sure they've been about a long time too

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 10/01/2020 18:19:04    2258794

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Ridiculous argument re McManus and Keegan just cause they haven't won All Irelands. And it didn't help them that they happened to be playing in a decade when the greatest team of all time came about. Cop on, two outrageously talented players and dead certs for team of the decade.

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 11/01/2020 12:38:12    2258896

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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "Ridiculous argument re McManus and Keegan just cause they haven't won All Irelands. And it didn't help them that they happened to be playing in a decade when the greatest team of all time came about. Cop on, two outrageously talented players and dead certs for team of the decade."
Keegan along with Tomas OSe must be highest scoring defenders.

hamsterdean (Limerick) - Posts: 223 - 11/01/2020 13:14:57    2258902

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Mailman98 - going by your logic, someone like Jimmy Traore is better than Fabio Cannavaro on the basis he has a champions league medal....

Darren Fletcher has league titles so that makes him a better player than Steven Gerard...

Your logic is stupid and your wrong

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11229 - 11/01/2020 13:39:37    2258908

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Does nobody recognize a wind up job when they see this line of argument for or against a player. No wonder every thread descends into ridiculous trolling. It's what keep this show going.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 11/01/2020 15:12:17    2258923

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Replying To catch22:  "Does nobody recognize a wind up job when they see this line of argument for or against a player. No wonder every thread descends into ridiculous trolling. It's what keep this show going."
There's a line and he's treading it alright, but there'd be no debate at all if we all agreed.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 12/01/2020 13:48:09    2259072

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Replying To hamsterdean:  "Keegan along with Tomas OSe must be highest scoring defenders."
I think Keegan left O'Se behind in the scoring stakes about 3 or 4 years back, but Tomas set the benchmark up to then.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 12/01/2020 13:50:34    2259074

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Replying To Pericles:  "There's a line and he's treading it alright, but there'd be no debate at all if we all agreed."
Yeah, I suppose what I'm getting at is that it isn't really debate a lot of the time when someone can so easily get arise and all it's designed to do is get bites and it goes on and on and nowhere. It's just rubbish tennis.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 12/01/2020 14:20:26    2259078

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Replying To catch22:  "Yeah, I suppose what I'm getting at is that it isn't really debate a lot of the time when someone can so easily get arise and all it's designed to do is get bites and it goes on and on and nowhere. It's just rubbish tennis."
So long as you can respond with a fact or two it's generally worth doing but if it's just a slagging match then I'm with you 100%.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 12/01/2020 17:37:21    2259135

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Replying To boman11:  "would you consider all of these forwards that have won all Irelands to be better than McManus? im just curious as im failing to understand this logic"
Unfortunately I can't put them all on the team but I'd definitely consider 6 of the forwards with all ireland medals in the decade to have done more in the big games to merit a place on team of the decade.

Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 13/01/2020 09:12:42    2259305

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Replying To Pericles:  "I think Keegan left O'Se behind in the scoring stakes about 3 or 4 years back, but Tomas set the benchmark up to then."
Tomas O'Se didn't have many games against New York, London, Leitrim or Sligo! I do remember him doing pretty well in a few all-ireland finals though.

Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 13/01/2020 09:24:33    2259307

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Replying To Pericles:  "So long as you can respond with a fact or two it's generally worth doing but if it's just a slagging match then I'm with you 100%."
I think I provided enough facts about Keegan; the main one being the fact that he watched the second half of the 2016 all-ireland from the stands. That was the game that should have seen him merit a place on team of the decade but his ill-discipline crucified him and Mayo yet again.

Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 13/01/2020 09:28:56    2259308

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Replying To Mailman98:  "Unfortunately I can't put them all on the team but I'd definitely consider 6 of the forwards with all ireland medals in the decade to have done more in the big games to merit a place on team of the decade."
So there is no logic. Grand.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 13/01/2020 11:13:36    2259340

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Replying To Mailman98:  "Unfortunately I can't put them all on the team but I'd definitely consider 6 of the forwards with all ireland medals in the decade to have done more in the big games to merit a place on team of the decade."
You said the criteria should be to have an AI medal, so in your book then surely that has anyone with an AI medal ahead of McManus? Your logic is rubbish and these 'facts' you are banging on about to beef up your arguement are acctually making you look even more foolish

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 13/01/2020 12:19:14    2259362

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Replying To Mailman98:  "The first criteria to make this team should be having an All-Ireland won. The only difference between Mayo, Monaghan and Donegal in the last decade was Michael Murphy. When he was needed most in the big games he pulled Donegal through. The same cannot be said for McManus and certainly not of any Mayo players. When All-Irelands were there to be won Lee Keegan was sitting on the sideline or too busy throwing his GPS tracker at Dean Rock, O'Shea was hiding and Higgins was MIA while his marker was putting up big scores."
This is your first message on the thread, these are the 'facts you are talking about. There's not one piece of decent information here that can hold up in an arguement to keep McManus or Keegan out of this team

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 13/01/2020 12:27:33    2259366

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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it but the information that discounts them for me is not winning an All-Ireland. That's the ultimate measure of every player. There was plenty wrote and spoken, and correctly so, pre 2017 about how Joe Canning could not be considered among the greats of hurling and I can tell you, without any doubt, that even before he won an all-ireland he was far greater than MCManus, Keegan and Higgins.

Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 13/01/2020 15:29:34    2259434

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Replying To Mailman98:  "That's your opinion and you're entitled to it but the information that discounts them for me is not winning an All-Ireland. That's the ultimate measure of every player. There was plenty wrote and spoken, and correctly so, pre 2017 about how Joe Canning could not be considered among the greats of hurling and I can tell you, without any doubt, that even before he won an all-ireland he was far greater than MCManus, Keegan and Higgins."
Correction - winning an all ireland is the ultimate measure of every team, not player

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 13/01/2020 16:01:28    2259444

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Replying To boman11:  "This is your first message on the thread, these are the 'facts you are talking about. There's not one piece of decent information here that can hold up in an arguement to keep McManus or Keegan out of this team"
I'd be inclined to agree that McGlynn should be ahead of Keegan.

Keegan may have outscored McGlynn, and been more dynamic and powerful, I'd consider McGlynn's positioning, interceptions, dribbling ability, passing, and vision to be equally, if not more important in Donegal's dominance in Ulster in the decade.

No doubt both are key-players in their respective sides, and both have shown versatility having completed very successful man-marking jobs in Croke Park on occasion. I feel that the only thing separating the two is the medal haul and personal preference.

McGlynn: 5 Ulster Titles, 1 AI Titles, 1 AI Runner Up
Keegan: 4 Connacht, 0 AI Titles, 4 AI Runner Up

Keegan got FOTY and deservedly so. McGlynn was nominated for POTY in 2012 where he lost out to Lacey. I'd go McGlynn, but also acknowledging my own bias

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 376 - 13/01/2020 16:34:54    2259454

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Replying To boman11:  "Correction - winning an all ireland is the ultimate measure of every team, not player"
Nonsense. Joe Canning was judged a failure until 2017. He needed to win an all-ireland to be considered a great and he did it.

Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 13/01/2020 16:37:05    2259457

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