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Should 45S & 65S Be Lengthened ?

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What are your views - hurling from midfield ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1815 - 24/12/2019 16:53:57    2256094

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Not lengthened just made inderect

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1032 - 24/12/2019 19:24:15    2256105

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Replying To omahant:  "What are your views - hurling from midfield ?"
No. Leave the games alone . There is a fetish for changing the rules amongst some GAA people. Just look at the ridiculous advanced mark.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5146 - 24/12/2019 21:56:36    2256114

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You know it's the GAA's silly season when you see threads like this. There's a lot of them about on Hoganstand at the moment.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1433 - 25/12/2019 02:25:19    2256121

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Definitely not 45s.

65s - hmm - maybe. But on the whole, I think not.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 368 - 25/12/2019 09:34:42    2256122

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No, the only way they should be made more difficult is if they all had to be taken halfway between the goalpost and the sideline on their respective lines. But then that wouldn't reward forwards for almost putting the ball over the bar, or defenders for intercepting a pass near the sideline, so that shouldn't happen either.

eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 121 - 25/12/2019 11:30:51    2256125

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Replying To Greengrass:  "No. Leave the games alone . There is a fetish for changing the rules amongst some GAA people. Just look at the ridiculous advanced mark."
There are good and bad changes - just because the advanced mark is bad (and I agree), it shouldn't lead to inertia.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1815 - 25/12/2019 17:27:36    2256133

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Replying To omahant:  "There are good and bad changes - just because the advanced mark is bad (and I agree), it shouldn't lead to inertia."
Omahunt, I agree with you about inertia but making changes for the sake of change is another thing entirely. The football championship of 2019 and the hurling championship of 2018 should be enough to convince anyone that both games are in good health. Leave them alone . The advanced mark is an appalling innovation. Allied to that is the dreadful condensing of the time frames for our county competitions . What's being inflicted on our u20 and senior inter county footballers is very wrong. Our administrators at the highest level have no idea what they are doing .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5146 - 25/12/2019 22:39:36    2256141

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As a specracle, do we want the handpassing chain broken - if so I think my kick idea is better than a handpass count.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1815 - 26/12/2019 00:40:41    2256144

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Replying To omahant:  "As a specracle, do we want the handpassing chain broken - if so I think my kick idea is better than a handpass count."
What's your kick idea ? And what will be the consequences of your kick idea ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5146 - 26/12/2019 12:53:53    2256150

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Sorry, I mixed my posts - thought kick was in this post.
What I suggested was, in lieu of a max handpass count (which would give refs a headache with all the resetting to zero), I had the following -

A defensive team gaining ball possession has either the OPTION to kick the ball from behind its OWN 45 to beyond OWN 65, OR instead MUST kick from behind OWN 65 across both 65s or beyond.

I think this is a modest change to add kicks - otherwise, the game flows unchanged (there can still be a bit of handpassing).

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1815 - 26/12/2019 18:32:35    2256172

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Replying To omahant:  "Sorry, I mixed my posts - thought kick was in this post.
What I suggested was, in lieu of a max handpass count (which would give refs a headache with all the resetting to zero), I had the following -

A defensive team gaining ball possession has either the OPTION to kick the ball from behind its OWN 45 to beyond OWN 65, OR instead MUST kick from behind OWN 65 across both 65s or beyond.

I think this is a modest change to add kicks - otherwise, the game flows unchanged (there can still be a bit of handpassing)."
Sorry, I get the first part, but with the second part you lost me?
I see some merit in limiting the handpass, especially where four or five handpasses in a row lead to the ball being palmed into net . Maybe if the last player had to take possession and then kick a score instead it might be a better idea. I think flicking a loose ariel ball into the net with hand or fist is ok, though?

PatdeVerse (Dublin) - Posts: 107 - 26/12/2019 23:08:01    2256188

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Replying To omahant:  "Sorry, I mixed my posts - thought kick was in this post.
What I suggested was, in lieu of a max handpass count (which would give refs a headache with all the resetting to zero), I had the following -

A defensive team gaining ball possession has either the OPTION to kick the ball from behind its OWN 45 to beyond OWN 65, OR instead MUST kick from behind OWN 65 across both 65s or beyond.

I think this is a modest change to add kicks - otherwise, the game flows unchanged (there can still be a bit of handpassing)."
No bother omahant. Every change that has been passed or that is being proposed adds to the referee's workload . Secondly this year's championship was highly entertaining . This year's final was beyond description . The game is evolving in a positive way . Let the game be .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5146 - 27/12/2019 11:44:46    2256208

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In a word no.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1215 - 27/12/2019 14:41:44    2256225

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im not sure i get the thread, should the 455 be shortened? yes it should, to 45. Either that or you shoulda used a small s boyo, eyesight not great at my age

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1343 - 27/12/2019 21:05:38    2256266

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surely they should be scrapped or made indirect? At the minute, you are penalizing a defender for getting a block in by giving the opposition a free shot at a score...that doesn't make any sense

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1476 - 27/12/2019 23:46:17    2256284

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "surely they should be scrapped or made indirect? At the minute, you are penalizing a defender for getting a block in by giving the opposition a free shot at a score...that doesn't make any sense"
45s and 65s can also be looked at as being rewards for good attacking play .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5146 - 28/12/2019 18:00:54    2256334

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Replying To Greengrass:  "45s and 65s can also be looked at as being rewards for good attacking play ."
a score is a reward for good attacking play. It's a defenders job to legitimately stop the attacking team from scoring. If they get a block in, they have done a good job, they shouldn't be penalized for that

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1476 - 28/12/2019 20:12:13    2256344

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Replying To Greengrass:  "45s and 65s can also be looked at as being rewards for good attacking play ."
Yes but a shot from play is under pressure and a 65 isn't so making it indirect is a fairer way to return play to the state it was in before the ball went out over the line

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1032 - 28/12/2019 20:50:35    2256351

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Replying To omahant:  "What are your views - hurling from midfield ?"
Pitches vary in length

royler (Meath) - Posts: 199 - 28/12/2019 21:36:03    2256356

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