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Gaelic Football Turning Into Aussie Rules?

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but hurling is like badminton and I know which I rather.
Now it may have taken 12 months to get there but the most ridiculous post of the year has been posted , wrapped up in paper that says I'm entitled to my opinion

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 17/12/2019 09:30:57    2255283

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "I think people over romanticise the past and think of the all time great plays, scores and players and think that all football played used to be of that quality. I for one think the way Dublin play now is the most outstanding and impressive way the game has ever been played. I also think the tactics required in football is what gives it the edge over hurling.. compare it to AFL if you like, but hurling is like badminton and I know which I rather."
I am from a dual county and play both hurling and football. If you asked me if I could only ever watch one sport again it would be hurling. If you asked me if I could play one sport and one sport only again, it would be hurling. Football would be behind basketball and soccer for me also. Please don't kid yourself its in any way a better spectacle because it isn't even close.

Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 17/12/2019 10:45:05    2255299

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Replying To Miami305:  "I am from a dual county and play both hurling and football. If you asked me if I could only ever watch one sport again it would be hurling. If you asked me if I could play one sport and one sport only again, it would be hurling. Football would be behind basketball and soccer for me also. Please don't kid yourself its in any way a better spectacle because it isn't even close."
I was at an U 12 girls football match back in the summer.
It was fast moving, relatively skillful considering the age group and entertaining.
Chatting with other dad's there we all agreed that it was more entertaining than 90% of the inter county football matches any of us had watched that year.
sad reality is football has become an awful game to watch..

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 657 - 17/12/2019 11:18:51    2255313

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Replying To Damothedub:  "but hurling is like badminton and I know which I rather.
Now it may have taken 12 months to get there but the most ridiculous post of the year has been posted , wrapped up in paper that says I'm entitled to my opinion"
Pretty much nailed it, the day we don't have forums where we can respectfully talk about our opinions will be a bad, bad day. Mind you, I much prefer hurling to badminton.

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 175 - 17/12/2019 11:31:37    2255314

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Replying To Miami305:  "I am from a dual county and play both hurling and football. If you asked me if I could only ever watch one sport again it would be hurling. If you asked me if I could play one sport and one sport only again, it would be hurling. Football would be behind basketball and soccer for me also. Please don't kid yourself its in any way a better spectacle because it isn't even close."
That's you

I prefer football.

Why's it always a competition? They're different games, they're both great.

I don't understand why hurling people always have to try to put down football.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3035 - 17/12/2019 11:36:55    2255316

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The mark should encourage kicking into the full forward line. What happens then, more often then not the play will stop for a free kick so the game will slow down even more. I agree the players today are very skillful the problem is the way the game is played these skills are not used. Football is in serious trouble we had the greatest team of all time for the last 5 years, how many games over those last five years would you watch again? Only a handful what a shame.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 128 - 17/12/2019 11:58:57    2255321

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Replying To Whammo86:  "That's you

I prefer football.

Why's it always a competition? They're different games, they're both great.

I don't understand why hurling people always have to try to put down football."
You mean 'hurling is like badminton'kinda put down?

Don't think GAA people who prefer hurling have an issue with football.. it's usually the other way round..
Problem is football at inter county level has become an ugly enough sport to watch.. I say that as someone who has played and enjoyed both.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 657 - 17/12/2019 12:43:49    2255328

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Replying To skillet:  "You mean 'hurling is like badminton'kinda put down?

Don't think GAA people who prefer hurling have an issue with football.. it's usually the other way round..
Problem is football at inter county level has become an ugly enough sport to watch.. I say that as someone who has played and enjoyed both."
My point was more so that we shouldn't make daft comparisons between ours and other sports when they're not at all the same.

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 175 - 17/12/2019 13:04:50    2255332

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Replying To skillet:  "You mean 'hurling is like badminton'kinda put down?

Don't think GAA people who prefer hurling have an issue with football.. it's usually the other way round..
Problem is football at inter county level has become an ugly enough sport to watch.. I say that as someone who has played and enjoyed both."
The Cork guy was the first to start the guff.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3035 - 17/12/2019 13:10:54    2255336

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There are those that dismiss the catch and kick style of football. I'd wish it was still around

Stooker (Leitrim) - Posts: 63 - 17/12/2019 13:58:18    2255346

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Replying To Stooker:  "There are those that dismiss the catch and kick style of football. I'd wish it was still around"
Football is more fun to play than it was when I first started playing. You're more involved in the game. There's more decisions to make. Defending is not just about sticking tight to your man anymore, it's about knowing when to go, knowing when to stick, knowing when to pass him on, knowing when to push up and let someone else out to press. It's better coordinated and more team orientated.

The quality of training and coaching is through the roof also.

The conditioning work gets done alright and if I were playing still I'd be back at it already.

Come March, say all we'd be doing is football. It'd be intense stuff but it's hard and enjoyable.

Every so often there'd be a bit of sprint work after the warm up but you're talking 10 minutes top.

I absolutely loved playing and training up until I couldn't commit fully anymore.

Are there bad games. Yes of course.

Is it as bad as the television pundits make out at times. Not even close.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3035 - 17/12/2019 14:51:14    2255356

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Looks like basketball with the no-contact rule suspended.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 2853 - 17/12/2019 16:12:33    2255374

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Replying To festinog:  "Looks like basketball with the no-contact rule suspended."
Le Bron is some point taker from 45 yards out on his left foot alright.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3035 - 17/12/2019 16:22:39    2255377

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Replying To festinog:  "Looks like basketball with the no-contact rule suspended."
Dean Rock with his jump shot from outside the paint.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3035 - 17/12/2019 16:34:31    2255378

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Replying To skillet:  "You mean 'hurling is like badminton'kinda put down?

Don't think GAA people who prefer hurling have an issue with football.. it's usually the other way round..
Problem is football at inter county level has become an ugly enough sport to watch.. I say that as someone who has played and enjoyed both."
It doesn't help that some of the biggest games have been the worst in terms of defensive tactics. Watching Kerry stand off and let Dublin have the ball at the end of the AI final was an absolutely shocking end to what was a fine game and a half before that. With defensive tactics like that any team more than 3 points up has no incentive to attack and can just tiki-taka around the midfield

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 970 - 17/12/2019 16:53:17    2255380

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Replying To Breezy:  "It doesn't help that some of the biggest games have been the worst in terms of defensive tactics. Watching Kerry stand off and let Dublin have the ball at the end of the AI final was an absolutely shocking end to what was a fine game and a half before that. With defensive tactics like that any team more than 3 points up has no incentive to attack and can just tiki-taka around the midfield"
I think they were just out on their feet.

It's hard work to win possession back in football at times, particularly in Croker.

That's where hurling is better, there's more contests for the ball, the scoring zone is larger in hurling so containing tactics are much less effective.

I don't mind though in football that scores have to be well worked. I like to see quality attackers pick their way through an organised defense.

One of the worst games I've been to recently was Tyrone v Roscommon in the 2018 super 8s. Roscommon played a more traditional defensive approach in the second half of that game and didn't lay a glove on Tyrone. So I think those wanting to cure the game of the blanket should be careful what they wish for.

The keep ball tactic is really horrible to watch but I think teams will be working on ways to win the ball higher up the pitch going forward.

For anyone to beat Dublin in the future, they'll need to be able to regain possession when they're behind.

The opening 15 minutes of that All Ireland final wasn't good viewing though either. Dublin were very comfortable with dealing with Kerry's direct ball in and opened up a good lead on them. It's only when Kerry became more measured that the game became a contest. The balls in weren't even bad quality, Dublin were just able to spoil and have men ready for the second ball. I can see that being the approach to this new mark rule and that we're not going to get treated to wonderful attacking marks. It's going to be the safety first, pop into the forwards chest.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3035 - 17/12/2019 17:43:27    2255393

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I don't think anybody really knows what the forward mark will bring. A lot of folks assume it will lead to increased blanket defences but if you can accurately kick it into a player it doesn't have to be immediately in front of the goal that can be defended easily. Say for example a inside player is 35 meters out and a bit to the right or left and he takes a mark you'd expect him to knock it over so target him and don't go hear the blanket. And if the defending team play a blanket defensive game the attacking team will have loads of time to pick out the pass. This will potentially lead to the defensive team having to put more pressure on the kicker and will lead to more man on man play.

I do think though that goals will start to dry up because the gurantee of 1 point from a mark verus the potential of 3 points from not taking a mark will just not happen.

Because teams knew the mark was not coming into the championship last year they did not really practise it at all. They will be focusing on it in the league much more this year and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. And let's be honest about it, if it turns out be he a bit if a mess in the league the powers that be will find a way to ditch the rule.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 276 - 17/12/2019 22:30:16    2255424

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "I don't think anybody really knows what the forward mark will bring. A lot of folks assume it will lead to increased blanket defences but if you can accurately kick it into a player it doesn't have to be immediately in front of the goal that can be defended easily. Say for example a inside player is 35 meters out and a bit to the right or left and he takes a mark you'd expect him to knock it over so target him and don't go hear the blanket. And if the defending team play a blanket defensive game the attacking team will have loads of time to pick out the pass. This will potentially lead to the defensive team having to put more pressure on the kicker and will lead to more man on man play.

I do think though that goals will start to dry up because the gurantee of 1 point from a mark verus the potential of 3 points from not taking a mark will just not happen.

Because teams knew the mark was not coming into the championship last year they did not really practise it at all. They will be focusing on it in the league much more this year and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. And let's be honest about it, if it turns out be he a bit if a mess in the league the powers that be will find a way to ditch the rule."
Those are some good points. I hope it plays out that way.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3035 - 18/12/2019 17:59:30    2255514

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Reports in the Irish News overnight that Cathal McShane is moving to Aus to play for the Brisbane Lions in the AFL. He will be joining up with Dub5 underage star James Madden over there.

And so it continues....!

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 2864 - 02/01/2020 10:14:07    2256805

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