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Gaelic Football Turning Into Aussie Rules?

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Interesting thoughts from Meath manager Andy McEntee on the new advanced mark rule. Jack McCaffrey has described it as being awful and What are your views on it?

Personally I feel it can only benefit the game and will obviously lead to more attacking football.

GalwayMan (Galway) - Posts: 91 - 16/12/2019 16:46:53    2255173

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I think it will bring a new dimension to the game. Might encourage the odd lad to kick a ball into a forward, if there's one to kick it into!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 16/12/2019 17:12:51    2255178

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Can't understand how you can be possibly allowed score from a mark, stupid, nonsensical, ridiculous rule, hope they change that, should be only an indirect free.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 16/12/2019 17:17:32    2255180

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I hate it but as it's going to happen there should be a very short shot clock on it. The last thing the game needs is more time spent watching players take an age lining up a free

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 16/12/2019 17:50:19    2255187

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Interesting thoughts from Meath manager Andy McEntee on the new advanced mark rule. Jack McCaffrey has described it as being awful and What are your views on it?

Personally I feel it can only benefit the game and will obviously lead to more attacking football."
I'd listen to managers to be honest, they know more than anyone about the strategy of the game.

If they think a change is going to make the game more defensive then it's likely a lot of them are thinking similarly and the games going to be more defensive.

It's one of the paradoxs of rules in sport. If you make it easier to attack it'll mean more resources will have to be used on defence.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 16/12/2019 17:54:17    2255189

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Replying To Ban:  "I think it will bring a new dimension to the game. Might encourage the odd lad to kick a ball into a forward, if there's one to kick it into!"
Or if he's not surrounded by defenders.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 16/12/2019 17:55:06    2255190

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Think it'll have more cons attached to it

As Andy Mc said.. it will encourage more bodies behind the ball

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 16/12/2019 17:55:37    2255191

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Dark years lie ahead.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/12/2019 17:56:05    2255192

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When a team has lost possession four times in a row because of a big hoof they will cease with Ariel bombardments ,the current game is about possession a tactic of kicking into the auld full forward flies in the face of it , there will be the odd M Murphy A O Shea who on occasion may benefit with it but overall I think coaches are going to be more pro holding onto the ball
Many teams have gotten so used to hand passing with obvious exceptions there's not that many exceptionally accurate long kick passers
Personally wouldn't have had it introduced but it's here for now so let's get on with it

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 16/12/2019 18:30:31    2255196

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I think counties should seek out investing in hurling and let Gaelic football die out as it's inevitable anyway

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 268 - 16/12/2019 18:45:50    2255201

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There'll be a few spectacular catches but once teams start to get used to it and exploit it we'll see teams short passing about until they can get there shooters free for a 30 metre pop pass into the chest. Then everyone has to stop and watch him tap it over.

It should also decrease the number of goals over the long term.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 16/12/2019 19:05:26    2255204

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In my opinion, the game isn't turning into Aussie Rules but its ever-changing. 15/20 years of very intelligent, and practical, but hard watching tactics (which achieved All-Ireland success) has taken a toll on the actual style of ball played. It has muddied the opinion of the purists out there, who are disillusioned at the direction the game has taken. Around the country participation and interest is obviously still very high but has dwindled slowly. Attendances have declined. Dublin keep winning, everyone else keeps losing. Players are bigger, fitter and faster but aren't as skilful by-and-large. Players are also opting out of county football due to the commitment requirement and the toll it takes on their youth simply not being worth it in 95% of cases. Often these players carry a chip on their shoulders and rightfully air their concerns. The coaching and management of the game was infiltrated by spin doctors with delusions of grandeur who squandered FUN, chaotic and heartfelt football in favour of blankets and sweepers and screens, and diving, and cynicism, and media gamesmanship, and pseudo-professionalism. The actual game itself is boring now until semi-finals and finals where teams actually have to showcase themselves for a title. The GAA has had more than one PR blunder in recent years. Football has to compete at grassroots level with other field games. The GAA has therefore silently been in crisis in attempting to alleviate the many issues of the game of football, many of which I don't even need to mention as they are common knowledge. Interestingly, hurling is barely affected. In their efforts they have meddled with the rules constantly, and mostly in vain. The forward mark is just the next step in their experiment. They have been stealing ideas from soccer, rugby, AFL (aussie rules) and players have been adopting rugby league and basketball style training for years. They lift weights like powerlifters and olympic weightlifters. The game is in turmoil and its identify in serious repute in many ways but we keep watching on regardless. Its a statement of the strength of the game's appeal. Its like a house on fire that will never burn down.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 587 - 16/12/2019 20:23:35    2255215

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Replying To Young_gael:  "In my opinion, the game isn't turning into Aussie Rules but its ever-changing. 15/20 years of very intelligent, and practical, but hard watching tactics (which achieved All-Ireland success) has taken a toll on the actual style of ball played. It has muddied the opinion of the purists out there, who are disillusioned at the direction the game has taken. Around the country participation and interest is obviously still very high but has dwindled slowly. Attendances have declined. Dublin keep winning, everyone else keeps losing. Players are bigger, fitter and faster but aren't as skilful by-and-large. Players are also opting out of county football due to the commitment requirement and the toll it takes on their youth simply not being worth it in 95% of cases. Often these players carry a chip on their shoulders and rightfully air their concerns. The coaching and management of the game was infiltrated by spin doctors with delusions of grandeur who squandered FUN, chaotic and heartfelt football in favour of blankets and sweepers and screens, and diving, and cynicism, and media gamesmanship, and pseudo-professionalism. The actual game itself is boring now until semi-finals and finals where teams actually have to showcase themselves for a title. The GAA has had more than one PR blunder in recent years. Football has to compete at grassroots level with other field games. The GAA has therefore silently been in crisis in attempting to alleviate the many issues of the game of football, many of which I don't even need to mention as they are common knowledge. Interestingly, hurling is barely affected. In their efforts they have meddled with the rules constantly, and mostly in vain. The forward mark is just the next step in their experiment. They have been stealing ideas from soccer, rugby, AFL (aussie rules) and players have been adopting rugby league and basketball style training for years. They lift weights like powerlifters and olympic weightlifters. The game is in turmoil and its identify in serious repute in many ways but we keep watching on regardless. Its a statement of the strength of the game's appeal. Its like a house on fire that will never burn down."
I strongly disagree with the idea that players aren't as skilful.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 16/12/2019 21:25:43    2255228

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "I think counties should seek out investing in hurling and let Gaelic football die out as it's inevitable anyway"
Would that finally stop your guys from going on strike??

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 16/12/2019 21:28:50    2255230

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I strongly disagree with the idea that players aren't as skilful."
I also massively disagree that the players are less skilful nowadays.

I can understand the argument that the game isn't as entertaining to watch nowadays, although I also disagree with it, but at least there is an argument to be made because the way its played has changed significantly.

There is no way that players are less skillful though. A simple look at highlights from yesteryear on YouTube proves as much.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 16/12/2019 21:46:57    2255234

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I strongly disagree with the idea that players aren't as skilful."
I did say by-and-large. Maybe it'd be better worded by saying that ball skills aren't treated as they once were then, as opposed to players not having the same ability. Its more effective to run 10/15 yards at speed and only bounce the ball once and offload to a player coming at an angle at speed to repeat the process until the ball ends over the bar, rather than the jinky, footpassing style of the past that was more about workrate first and skill on the ball second.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 587 - 16/12/2019 21:49:20    2255235

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I think people over romanticise the past and think of the all time great plays, scores and players and think that all football played used to be of that quality. I for one think the way Dublin play now is the most outstanding and impressive way the game has ever been played. I also think the tactics required in football is what gives it the edge over hurling.. compare it to AFL if you like, but hurling is like badminton and I know which I rather.

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 17/12/2019 00:15:49    2255253

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Would that finally stop your guys from going on strike??"
Depends

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 268 - 17/12/2019 06:10:03    2255264

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Interesting thoughts from Meath manager Andy McEntee on the new advanced mark rule. Jack McCaffrey has described it as being awful and What are your views on it?

Personally I feel it can only benefit the game and will obviously lead to more attacking football."
Nonsense rule,but it will be interesting watching the big lad who cant kick the ball out of his way kick for a score. It will ruin the game with bad teams concentrating on continually pumping high ball to the said big lad. The sooner its scrapped the better.

Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 155 - 17/12/2019 07:02:24    2255267

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Interesting thoughts from Meath manager Andy McEntee on the new advanced mark rule. Jack McCaffrey has described it as being awful and What are your views on it?

Personally I feel it can only benefit the game and will obviously lead to more attacking football."
Huh. Imo over the past 20 years or so gaelic football has morphed into a poor version of rugby due to blanket defences etc. The "mark", though not a cure all and probably not the best way of dealing with it, will help return it to something more like gaelic football again.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 17/12/2019 08:14:18    2255274

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