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Replying To MiAmigaVERONICA: "I do not agree with the over-the-top negativity here.
Of the 2013 team, McInerney, O Connor, Galvin (recuperating after injury, apparently), Kelly, Conlon, O Donnell, and Morey (sub mainly in 2013) are all still involved. Also, Aaron Cunningham, who probably would have been on the 2013 team were it not for injury (incidentally, his injury probably allowed Shane O Donnell to make his incredible breakthrough) is also back in contention. I think Cathal McInerney may also be on the panel. I am not sure if Podge has officially retired, but it seems he would have his work cut out to get back into the team anyway. Personally, I would like to see him still involved, not least because of the character he is, but even without him I think that is a good return of players from seven years ago.
Why did the team not win more? We can all have our own speculations (some might consider that they simple weren't talented enough collectively). In my opinion, it was a combination of a number of reasons. Firstly, perhaps they won the big prize too early, and also without defeating any of the big powers of the time en route. Secondly (and I feel more importantly), it may have been down to the management of the time, and the tactics that were pursued in the subsequent years. The sweeper system may not have allowed the individual players in defense to grow and develop into their positions. Was McInerney wasted at full back? Players like Paul Flanagan and Stephen O Halloran (delighted he is there now) were never given a decent chance, with the result that we always seemed very threadbare at the back. Also, I feel that particular group of lads, for all their talent, were both physically lacking in key positions and did not have enough natural leaders to turn games around when the going got tough.
Are we in such a bad position now? I don't think so. The survivors from 2013 now form the spine of the team. Experience has developed their leadership skills, and they are now better in a dog fight than a few years ago. We have an abundance of options in the forwards. although it remains to be seen whether either Fitzgerald or McMahon will make the grade at centre forward. Until they prove me wrong, I think young Ryan and Aidan McCarthy have the potential to quickly develop into serious players for the cause. Ryan Taylor also seems to have a lot of potential. Corry has done well so far also, albeit not yet seriously tested. Duggan, Reidy, Brown, Golden and Malone are also serious players to have in the team / squad. Are Rogers and Meehan training with the seniors now? Also, has it been officially confirmed that Ian Galvin will not be involved this year? I think this is a great year to blood new players in the championship, and also for the new management to find its feet.
I think much more worrying for Clare hurling now that the few players who are opting out of the panel during this strange year is the decreased activity from the likes of 'Hurling Expert' and 'Lohan's Red Helmet' on this forum when Brian Lohan needs their invaluable insight the most to help him pick the team." Haha nice ending, made me laugh.
That's a fair summary of where we are at, I disagree that we have an abundance of options in the forwards. I think we'll struggle for scores from our front 6 and will rely heavily on Tony Kelly.
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Replying To Dec82: "Haha nice ending, made me laugh.
That's a fair summary of where we are at, I disagree that we have an abundance of options in the forwards. I think we'll struggle for scores from our front 6 and will rely heavily on Tony Kelly." Cheers, Dec. I agree this championship will be very tough but once we have Duggsn, Conlon and, hopefully, Ian Galvin back there will be strong competition for forward places. O Donnell, Reidy and, although not yet full tested, Shanagher are top players. Ryan, Fitzgerald, Guilfoyle, and McMahon will all have a chance to step up now also. Cathal McInerney, if still on the panel, and Aaron Cunningham are no slouches either. It will be interesting to see if Lohan persists with Taylor at 15. I think Aidan McCarthy will be left in the half backs.
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Replying To MiAmigaVERONICA: "Cheers, Dec. I agree this championship will be very tough but once we have Duggsn, Conlon and, hopefully, Ian Galvin back there will be strong competition for forward places. O Donnell, Reidy and, although not yet full tested, Shanagher are top players. Ryan, Fitzgerald, Guilfoyle, and McMahon will all have a chance to step up now also. Cathal McInerney, if still on the panel, and Aaron Cunningham are no slouches either. It will be interesting to see if Lohan persists with Taylor at 15. I think Aidan McCarthy will be left in the half backs." It will be interesting to see how mark rodgers gwts on for u20s tomorrow..because if he has a big night he might get his chance with seniors.
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Replying To Pepper1: "It will be interesting to see how mark rodgers gwts on for u20s tomorrow..because if he has a big night he might get his chance with seniors." What a player he is
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We have plenty of good hurlers in the county and if Aidan McCarthy, Bradley Higgins and Aaron Maloney were available last night it would have been tighter. We also lost Shane Meehan pre game due to being a close contact. Our minors 17,18 and 19 have been of a good standard.
My concern is that a lot of players fall through the cracks in Clare and that is just not good enough if we want to compete with the big 3 and the likes of Limerick and Galway who have big populations and in the formers cases, serious financial backing.
On a side note, I am not sure if the championship should go ahead. I find it very hard to accept how ordinary people can't go 5k or visit loved ones, yet people can travel around the country playing GAA games. I am not comfortable with it. We have a small baby and my parents have seen her 3 times in 7 months. My nephew had to wait 5 days for results of his covid test because cases are so high in Clare. My wife has a parent getting cancer treatment and its hard for her family. I know a lot of people are really annoyed with the arrogance of the GAA. I don't feel watching GAA is giving me a 'lift'?
Some of the GAA top brass and also ex pundits I think are acting out of line with a lot of it. If 1 quarter of players don't want to play and another quarter have serious reservations about safety ( and we know lot of counties are not testing) then you would wonder what is their motivation at all? I
There is more important things that sport, as much as we love it. That is just my opinion.
Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 20/10/2020 09:59:13
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Replying To Clareman: "We have plenty of good hurlers in the county and if Aidan McCarthy, Bradley Higgins and Aaron Maloney were available last night it would have been tighter. We also lost Shane Meehan pre game due to being a close contact. Our minors 17,18 and 19 have been of a good standard.
My concern is that a lot of players fall through the cracks in Clare and that is just not good enough if we want to compete with the big 3 and the likes of Limerick and Galway who have big populations and in the formers cases, serious financial backing.
On a side note, I am not sure if the championship should go ahead. I find it very hard to accept how ordinary people can't go 5k or visit loved ones, yet people can travel around the country playing GAA games. I am not comfortable with it. We have a small baby and my parents have seen her 3 times in 7 months. My nephew had to wait 5 days for results of his covid test because cases are so high in Clare. My wife has a parent getting cancer treatment and its hard for her family. I know a lot of people are really annoyed with the arrogance of the GAA. I don't feel watching GAA is giving me a 'lift'?
Some of the GAA top brass and also ex pundits I think are acting out of line with a lot of it. If 1 quarter of players don't want to play and another quarter have serious reservations about safety ( and we know lot of counties are not testing) then you would wonder what is their motivation at all? I
There is more important things that sport, as much as we love it. That is just my opinion." All fair points. I don't think it's given me a lift but it's nice to be able to just sit down for an hour or 2 and zone out on a game but like you said there are more serious issues.
I've a 4 and 8 year old who never stop talking, I'm not sure there able to stop. So that hour or 2 of watching a game is like therapy for me.
Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 20/10/2020 11:36:41
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Thanks Veronica for your kind words haha!
Part of the reason why clare didnt kick on was possibly because or tradition. Young hurlers in clare might dream of maybe winning one all ireland. Thej when that is achieved it may seem like mission accomplished. While the likes if tipp or kilkenny would be hungry for far more. That's just built into them.
In relation to players mentioned in above posts, aidan mccarthy and diarmuid ryan are 2 fantastic prospects. Unfortunately mccarthy is injured at the moment though.
Mark rogers is another real prospect. He is seriously good at getting to the ball and winning primary possession. He is also a real goalscoring threat.
Well able to take scores off either side as well.
Cian galvin is another player from last night who is a great prospect. I was also very impressed with donnellan at corner back, particularly in the first half. Conner hegarty who was far from fit last night is another great prospect.
From the minors on saturday the likes of adam hogan, ja collins and oisin clune are big hopes.
While 2 lads that didnt feature for the minors on saturday for different reasons mcgroary and keith smith are another 2 who could make it.
They are 2 of the best players at this age level and not having them playing were 2 massive blows to the team.
hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 20/10/2020 12:58:02
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Replying To hurlingexpert: "Thanks Veronica for your kind words haha!
Part of the reason why clare didnt kick on was possibly because or tradition. Young hurlers in clare might dream of maybe winning one all ireland. Thej when that is achieved it may seem like mission accomplished. While the likes if tipp or kilkenny would be hungry for far more. That's just built into them.
In relation to players mentioned in above posts, aidan mccarthy and diarmuid ryan are 2 fantastic prospects. Unfortunately mccarthy is injured at the moment though.
Mark rogers is another real prospect. He is seriously good at getting to the ball and winning primary possession. He is also a real goalscoring threat.
Well able to take scores off either side as well.
Cian galvin is another player from last night who is a great prospect. I was also very impressed with donnellan at corner back, particularly in the first half. Conner hegarty who was far from fit last night is another great prospect.
From the minors on saturday the likes of adam hogan, ja collins and oisin clune are big hopes.
While 2 lads that didnt feature for the minors on saturday for different reasons mcgroary and keith smith are another 2 who could make it.
They are 2 of the best players at this age level and not having them playing were 2 massive blows to the team." Dident realise we were missing 3 or 4 starters from last nights u-20 but when Tipp upped the ante they blew us away
We will pick as always a few players for the seniors from this easier mind them when they are scarce as they say
Is Aidan McCarthy out for Sunday ?
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Just from watching yesterday game, wondering where are Jamie Shanahan and Shane Golden? Are they among the list of players injured/opted out?
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Replying To GerBo: "Just from watching yesterday game, wondering where are Jamie Shanahan and Shane Golden? Are they among the list of players injured/opted out?" Both part of the panel as far as im aware. Shanahan i thought might have gotten a look in.
hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 26/10/2020 23:06:40
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Well beaten yesterday, limerick are just a far better team than us Especially considering we were missing 3 or 4 starters. Although Having said that with 61 mins on the clock we were only 4 points down. Limerick were relatively comfortable at the time but if we had gotten a goal then it could have been anyone's game. But being outscored 8-2 in the last 12 mins was very disappointing.
Taylor took his goal well but is not a corner forward. Im a big fan of reidy, but he is very lightweight against a team like limerick. Fitzgerald is a physical player and we maybe missed that in the half backline. Stephen o'halloran is a decent player but im not sure if he's up to the level. Morey similarly to reidy, another player i like but probably a bit lightweight for a wing back at this level. Hayes deserves more chances to see if he's up to it. Id probably have diarmuid ryan at wing back, he didnt offer much bar his 2 long range points.
Aidan mccarthy id have in the half forward line. Pat o'connor is probably out best bet at 6 for this campaign but we really need an alternative going forward. Id have shanagher in the full forward line. But the fact he wasn't starting would lead you to believe he hasnt improved the right side.
hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 26/10/2020 23:17:48
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Replying To hurlingexpert: "Well beaten yesterday, limerick are just a far better team than us Especially considering we were missing 3 or 4 starters. Although Having said that with 61 mins on the clock we were only 4 points down. Limerick were relatively comfortable at the time but if we had gotten a goal then it could have been anyone's game. But being outscored 8-2 in the last 12 mins was very disappointing.
Taylor took his goal well but is not a corner forward. Im a big fan of reidy, but he is very lightweight against a team like limerick. Fitzgerald is a physical player and we maybe missed that in the half backline. Stephen o'halloran is a decent player but im not sure if he's up to the level. Morey similarly to reidy, another player i like but probably a bit lightweight for a wing back at this level. Hayes deserves more chances to see if he's up to it. Id probably have diarmuid ryan at wing back, he didnt offer much bar his 2 long range points.
Aidan mccarthy id have in the half forward line. Pat o'connor is probably out best bet at 6 for this campaign but we really need an alternative going forward. Id have shanagher in the full forward line. But the fact he wasn't starting would lead you to believe he hasnt improved the right side." Shanagher has not worked on his weaknesses, neither have a lot of our players. That is a damning indictment of training and coaching in the county. Cathal Malone is an exception to this and an example to a lot of them. He has worked so hard on his hurling; that added to his strength and workrate has made a very solid performer who rarely lets us down. Tony Kelly is a wizard of a hurler and its only when is has retired we will realize what we had. Scoring machine.
Our minor, u20 and senior teams all blew up in the second half, are we fit enough and what is the S&C regime like? Hard questions need to be asked? Clare look a bit amateur in terms of prep, Limerick, Tipp, KK etc are professional now in most aspects.
I do feel sorry for Lohan, its a very hard job but he had the courage to take it and not sit on the sidelines like a lot of former players and just moan. If we want to even challenge the big teams let alone win anything we need Conlan, Galvin, Duggan, Shanahan in the side. I do not know if Podge has the appetite for it anymore and Ian Galvin doesn't seem committed so perhaps we will just concentrate on the blooding more young lads.
Plenty heart and spirit on Sunday compared to last year against the same team. Limerick will win the All Ireland unless they lose another defender to an injury, its their only weakness. Serious team and bench and this is year 4 for Kiely now. They are a machine.
Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 27/10/2020 10:09:44
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Replying To hurlingexpert: "Well beaten yesterday, limerick are just a far better team than us Especially considering we were missing 3 or 4 starters. Although Having said that with 61 mins on the clock we were only 4 points down. Limerick were relatively comfortable at the time but if we had gotten a goal then it could have been anyone's game. But being outscored 8-2 in the last 12 mins was very disappointing.
Taylor took his goal well but is not a corner forward. Im a big fan of reidy, but he is very lightweight against a team like limerick. Fitzgerald is a physical player and we maybe missed that in the half backline. Stephen o'halloran is a decent player but im not sure if he's up to the level. Morey similarly to reidy, another player i like but probably a bit lightweight for a wing back at this level. Hayes deserves more chances to see if he's up to it. Id probably have diarmuid ryan at wing back, he didnt offer much bar his 2 long range points.
Aidan mccarthy id have in the half forward line. Pat o'connor is probably out best bet at 6 for this campaign but we really need an alternative going forward. Id have shanagher in the full forward line. But the fact he wasn't starting would lead you to believe he hasnt improved the right side." Fitzgerald isn't a physical player, that's 1 of his problems. He hasn't had a good game against a top team since he came on as sub against Galway in 2018. He's too easily blown out of a game for a man of his size. I thought Hayes did OK and that game will bring him on. Ryan and Mccarthy should be put into half back line and build the team around that.
It was joy to watch Tony Kelly and we're lucky we had him.
Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 27/10/2020 10:43:52
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Replying To Clareman: "Shanagher has not worked on his weaknesses, neither have a lot of our players. That is a damning indictment of training and coaching in the county. Cathal Malone is an exception to this and an example to a lot of them. He has worked so hard on his hurling; that added to his strength and workrate has made a very solid performer who rarely lets us down. Tony Kelly is a wizard of a hurler and its only when is has retired we will realize what we had. Scoring machine.
Our minor, u20 and senior teams all blew up in the second half, are we fit enough and what is the S&C regime like? Hard questions need to be asked? Clare look a bit amateur in terms of prep, Limerick, Tipp, KK etc are professional now in most aspects.
I do feel sorry for Lohan, its a very hard job but he had the courage to take it and not sit on the sidelines like a lot of former players and just moan. If we want to even challenge the big teams let alone win anything we need Conlan, Galvin, Duggan, Shanahan in the side. I do not know if Podge has the appetite for it anymore and Ian Galvin doesn't seem committed so perhaps we will just concentrate on the blooding more young lads.
Plenty heart and spirit on Sunday compared to last year against the same team. Limerick will win the All Ireland unless they lose another defender to an injury, its their only weakness. Serious team and bench and this is year 4 for Kiely now. They are a machine." Aron Shanaher has played A Hurling all his life I honostly dont think that its up to a coach to correct these faults you are right he is almost totally dependant on his left side he is too predictable can anyone not let fly on an odd dropping ball anymore, i suppose you would nearly get send off for it now.
We are seriously off the top missing those players that we are and some of the fouls we give away stupid at times
Jamie Shanahan is not a member of panel as far as I know and that's his decision,
We scored 1.23 albeit Tony K got 0.17 what a performance felt sorry for him Taylor wasent too bad inn corner but nobody else in forwards contributed nothing really. Davy M absent @ midfield
Touhy
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Cleary
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Browne
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Mccarthy
Kelly/D Mac
Ryan
Fitzgerald
Malone
Cunningham/taylor
Shanagher
O Donnell
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 984 - 27/10/2020 11:07:54
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Replying To clooney: "Aron Shanaher has played A Hurling all his life I honostly dont think that its up to a coach to correct these faults you are right he is almost totally dependant on his left side he is too predictable can anyone not let fly on an odd dropping ball anymore, i suppose you would nearly get send off for it now.
We are seriously off the top missing those players that we are and some of the fouls we give away stupid at times
Jamie Shanahan is not a member of panel as far as I know and that's his decision,
We scored 1.23 albeit Tony K got 0.17 what a performance felt sorry for him Taylor wasent too bad inn corner but nobody else in forwards contributed nothing really. Davy M absent @ midfield
Touhy
Hayes/Corry
Cleary
Morey
Browne
O Connor
Mccarthy
Kelly/D Mac
Ryan
Fitzgerald
Malone
Cunningham/taylor
Shanagher
O Donnell" You're right in relation to Shanahan, apologies i had said he was on the panel.
Also have to agree with clareman in relation to malone. He has improved a lot and is a guaranteed starter in the team. He was out best player throughout last year's championship and next best after kelly yesterday.
It would be nice to get laois in the qualifiers, no disrespect to them but i dont think we would beat anyone else this year. I think provincial quarter final losers have to play in round 1 of the qualifiers. But i do think we can still meet laois in that first round game.
hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 27/10/2020 15:09:33
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Replying To hurlingexpert: "You're right in relation to Shanahan, apologies i had said he was on the panel.
Also have to agree with clareman in relation to malone. He has improved a lot and is a guaranteed starter in the team. He was out best player throughout last year's championship and next best after kelly yesterday.
It would be nice to get laois in the qualifiers, no disrespect to them but i dont think we would beat anyone else this year. I think provincial quarter final losers have to play in round 1 of the qualifiers. But i do think we can still meet laois in that first round game." I think we are overreacting a bit Limerick also gave Tipperary a good trimming in the Munster Final yet ended up All Ireland Winners of course we are a bit of Tipp i know but still had a good league beat Wexford drew with Kilkenny .
Limerick are very good when they are allowed to play running off shoulder game bur KK kept there half forward line to a 0.01 last year.
You nee scoring forwards so I think that Shanagher & Cunningham will have to be in inside line with O Donnell.
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Its time to play o donnell centre forward.kelly will be named cormer forward again..with license to go anywhere across forward lime..i dont think it will be team but would love to see something like this..
Quilligan,
Browne, cleary, hayes,
Mccarhy, ryan, mcinerney,
Malone, taylor,
Fitzgerald, o donnell, reidy,
Rodgers, shanagher, kelly..
Completely new halfback line..diarmuid back to his most natural and best position..same with ryan taylor..rodgers is definitely already in top 6 forwards in county despite his age..and more importantly he will gets scores..last chance saloon for mcinerney and fitzgerald..both really poor the last day...
This is what id like to see but we wont..
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We are seriously off the top missing those players that we are and some of the fouls we give away stupid at times
Jamie Shanahan is not a member of panel as far as I know and that's his decision,
We scored 1.23 albeit Tony K got 0.17 what a performance felt sorry for him Taylor wasent too bad inn corner but nobody else in forwards contributed nothing really. Davy M absent @ midfield
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Hayes/Corry
Cleary
Morey
Browne
O Connor
Mccarthy
Kelly/D Mac
Ryan
Fitzgerald
Malone
Cunningham/taylor
Shanagher
O Donnell" Hayes was way better than morey the last day..morey is way too loose for corner back..and too small for wing/centre back..i wouldnt have him on team
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Replying To Pepper1: "Its time to play o donnell centre forward.kelly will be named cormer forward again..with license to go anywhere across forward lime..i dont think it will be team but would love to see something like this..
Quilligan,
Browne, cleary, hayes,
Mccarhy, ryan, mcinerney,
Malone, taylor,
Fitzgerald, o donnell, reidy,
Rodgers, shanagher, kelly..
Completely new halfback line..diarmuid back to his most natural and best position..same with ryan taylor..rodgers is definitely already in top 6 forwards in county despite his age..and more importantly he will gets scores..last chance saloon for mcinerney and fitzgerald..both really poor the last day...
This is what id like to see but we wont.." Every Clare person that I talk to has a different idea of what the team should be, this shouldn't be the case.
Morey, Mcinerney, Fitzgerald, Cleary, Malone, Ryan, Mccarthy. Nobody knows there best position. They should all have settled positions bar Ryan and Mccarthy, even if there bench players we should know the positions that there gonna cover. Or maybe there not good enough and should be dropped and give players like McMahon, fitzpatrick and Jason Mccarthy a go in the team. Personally I think Cleary is a good defender and Malone should be midfield but when's the last time Morey, Mcinerney or Fitzgerald had a good game.
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Replying To Dec82: "Every Clare person that I talk to has a different idea of what the team should be, this shouldn't be the case.
Morey, Mcinerney, Fitzgerald, Cleary, Malone, Ryan, Mccarthy. Nobody knows there best position. They should all have settled positions bar Ryan and Mccarthy, even if there bench players we should know the positions that there gonna cover. Or maybe there not good enough and should be dropped and give players like McMahon, fitzpatrick and Jason Mccarthy a go in the team. Personally I think Cleary is a good defender and Malone should be midfield but when's the last time Morey, Mcinerney or Fitzgerald had a good game." All these players you mention are all very good players and I really dont think that we have better players available Jamie Shanaghan would be one but he for whatever reason wasen't part of last years either.I was surprises last Sunday that David McInerney was not moves to wing back midfield was largely bypasses C Lynch dident figure much either C Malone was best player there.
There is no point in mentioning the 3 /4 great players missing that would really make a difference
In an ideal world D Mac D Ryan & A McCarthy would form half back line but can we afford all of them there I liked what B Lohan was doing early in early having gritty backs like Liam Corry and POC @ CB and Fitz @ CF I know opposition was not as good .
Jack Browne & Hayes are prone to crazy frees at times .
I dident see any reason for replacing Touhy he is way our best goalie IMO
I watched game again last night everything Limerick struck went over bar no pressure on lots of the shots.
There was no with in our Forward line where has the "spread the forward wide & keep the backs tight" message gone
Keep the Faith
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