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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "There is one concern I have with this Clare team and that is how they deal with setbacks. We saw it in the league V Wexford when we went a man down we fell apart. Same against Tipp, the sinbin shell shocked us and we lost 2-4 to 0-2 in that period. We need to get better at managing those situations irrespective of how bad the call was against us."
You are so right in that we panicked on line last Sunday withdrew too many left no one up front Bar A Shangher its experience I suppose I doubt SOD will be fit anyway so probably same team but should name Davy M @ 7

Wexford are strong

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 984 - 12/07/2021 11:09:50    2358911

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A very unfair draw for both Clare and Wexford. No reward for winning a game whilst 2 other teams who already had a provincial bye and lost, get another bye.

Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 12/07/2021 16:42:48    2359096

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Replying To Clareman:  "A very unfair draw for both Clare and Wexford. No reward for winning a game whilst 2 other teams who already had a provincial bye and lost, get another bye."
Maybe so but we have to
make the best of it now if you want to win an all Ireland you take the hand your dealt.Hopefully we can take another step forward on Saturday.

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 337 - 13/07/2021 10:16:58    2359282

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Replying To Clareman:  "A very unfair draw for both Clare and Wexford. No reward for winning a game whilst 2 other teams who already had a provincial bye and lost, get another bye."
Frank looking out cork as always.

kerry4sam21 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 14/07/2021 08:49:36    2359646

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A huge part of this game will be shutting down rory o'connor. He is probably wexford's best player. He got a few greats points against kilkenny from the no. 10 position. After having caused us huge problems when he went inside in the league game. I would have hayes man marking him and follow him inside and out.
Wexford's 2 inside the last day were morris and dwyer, so i think cleary and flanagan can handle those 2. Leaving conlon as our free man. However one of those 2 wexford inside forwards could sacrifice their own games to stop conlon. So it will be interesting to see how that works out. Lohan will definitely want conlon as your spare man.
I can see kelly starting this game at midfield. As loham won't want to have foley double marking him inside.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 14/07/2021 14:18:16    2359794

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "A huge part of this game will be shutting down rory o'connor. He is probably wexford's best player. He got a few greats points against kilkenny from the no. 10 position. After having caused us huge problems when he went inside in the league game. I would have hayes man marking him and follow him inside and out.
Wexford's 2 inside the last day were morris and dwyer, so i think cleary and flanagan can handle those 2. Leaving conlon as our free man. However one of those 2 wexford inside forwards could sacrifice their own games to stop conlon. So it will be interesting to see how that works out. Lohan will definitely want conlon as your spare man.
I can see kelly starting this game at midfield. As loham won't want to have foley double marking him inside."
Both teams need wins so badly both teams are decent & on their day will trouble anyone.

Both O Connors if Jack plays Chin & McDonald are serious players in any forward line they will hurt you.

We also have some good players in forward line if allowed a bit of space all of they would score its easier said than done but if we can free up TK a bit to allow him wander & take ball off Players shoulders & breaking ball.
Wexford will definately target him
We will be their main focus but other players can shine like Ian Galvin Reidy Taylor A McCarthy & Aron Shanager also could cause havoc.

Is SOD definately out i wonder he wont start anyway but a great sub

It will probably be decided by the backs in any case those who foul the least & defend well

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 984 - 14/07/2021 15:47:11    2359842

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Replying To clooney:  "Both teams need wins so badly both teams are decent & on their day will trouble anyone.

Both O Connors if Jack plays Chin & McDonald are serious players in any forward line they will hurt you.

We also have some good players in forward line if allowed a bit of space all of they would score its easier said than done but if we can free up TK a bit to allow him wander & take ball off Players shoulders & breaking ball.
Wexford will definately target him
We will be their main focus but other players can shine like Ian Galvin Reidy Taylor A McCarthy & Aron Shanager also could cause havoc.

Is SOD definately out i wonder he wont start anyway but a great sub

It will probably be decided by the backs in any case those who foul the least & defend well"
SOD unlikely to hurl for the rest of the year

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 14/07/2021 17:12:34    2359877

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Really looking forward to this game folks.
Hard one to call but I would just have Clare to shade it.
Wondering will Wexford put a man on Kelly? You would imagine they will have some plan for him

Southsham (Limerick) - Posts: 752 - 14/07/2021 17:16:35    2359879

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Replying To Southsham:  "Really looking forward to this game folks.
Hard one to call but I would just have Clare to shade it.
Wondering will Wexford put a man on Kelly? You would imagine they will have some plan for him"
Gavin Bailey could possibly be the man assigned to track him everywhere.
I think kelly would have too much pace for matt o'hanlon

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 14/07/2021 17:48:19    2359887

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Our minor team losing by 40 points is a real eye opening result and hugely concerning. I had heard we would he under pressure in this game, but to lose by 40 is frightening.

Generally i dont think winning munster or all ireland minors is that important. But rather to ensure there is 2 or 3 players each year that are capable of becoming senior players.

But that result this evening is very disappointing, especially for the players i really feel for them. They dont deserve that, but that's the result of mismanagement of underage structures at a higher level in Clare Gaa for a number of years now.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 14/07/2021 21:21:43    2359938

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Our minor team losing by 40 points is a real eye opening result and hugely concerning. I had heard we would he under pressure in this game, but to lose by 40 is frightening.

Generally i dont think winning munster or all ireland minors is that important. But rather to ensure there is 2 or 3 players each year that are capable of becoming senior players.

But that result this evening is very disappointing, especially for the players i really feel for them. They dont deserve that, but that's the result of mismanagement of underage structures at a higher level in Clare Gaa for a number of years now."
its absolutely shocking and the management all seemed sound lads who would have put in the work.
Of course the work begins many years earlier the u14 Forrestal Team is a pre curser to Minor I imagine.

Cork are definately investing heavily in youth a year or two ago they won Harty & B Competition in same year.
Limerick put money & coaching into Academy see where they are today.

Of course we cant match that but hopefully this might serve as a wake up call no disrespect to Kerry hurling but their minors would be better.

Underage in Clare has been poor for a long time now it needs a root & branch review I don't think that there was any players on first 15 From SMB Eire og or WT hurling in the Big Towns not working it seems

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 984 - 15/07/2021 08:44:29    2359993

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Our minor team losing by 40 points is a real eye opening result and hugely concerning. I had heard we would he under pressure in this game, but to lose by 40 is frightening.

Generally i dont think winning munster or all ireland minors is that important. But rather to ensure there is 2 or 3 players each year that are capable of becoming senior players.

But that result this evening is very disappointing, especially for the players i really feel for them. They dont deserve that, but that's the result of mismanagement of underage structures at a higher level in Clare Gaa for a number of years now."
We all know why this has happened. Its like a replica of what happened after our success in the 90s we did not focus enough on underage structures and the fruits of this are bearing now. We might all sound like broken records but the blame for this is at the feet of the board and county executive.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 15/07/2021 09:23:52    2359998

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Gavin Bailey could possibly be the man assigned to track him everywhere.
I think kelly would have too much pace for matt o'hanlon"
Would have to agree with that. Matt is an excellent man marker but isn't mobile enough for tk.

I think we'll be going with dee o Keeffe or Shaun Murphy to track him.

Judging by what happened in the league when Kelly went off that's the key for us.

If we reach the levels we did against kk we'll win. I'm not confident in our ability to do that twice in a row.

Don't give up soft frees. Limit tk (stopping him isn't possible), and 2 of mac, chin and roc need a big day for us to win. If we fall short here ye will win.

All things considered, as great as Davy has been for us in leinster, we've yet to beat a munster team in championship hurling, which Liam Dunne managed multiple times.

For whatever reason, our championship record against ye is pathetic.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3558 - 17/07/2021 09:53:12    2360580

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Would have to agree with that. Matt is an excellent man marker but isn't mobile enough for tk.

I think we'll be going with dee o Keeffe or Shaun Murphy to track him.

Judging by what happened in the league when Kelly went off that's the key for us.

If we reach the levels we did against kk we'll win. I'm not confident in our ability to do that twice in a row.

Don't give up soft frees. Limit tk (stopping him isn't possible), and 2 of mac, chin and roc need a big day for us to win. If we fall short here ye will win.

All things considered, as great as Davy has been for us in leinster, we've yet to beat a munster team in championship hurling, which Liam Dunne managed multiple times.

For whatever reason, our championship record against ye is pathetic."
Agree we are up against it. Everything will have to go right for us and Sean Murphy is a big loss. Not wanting to belittle Liam Dunnes achievements as he dragged us back up from the low we had fallen to but we beat Clare who were suffering from an AI hangover, the worst playing Waterford team that year of this millenium, and probably the poorest playing Cork team of any year in living memory. Tbh our only really great performance against good Munster opposition in the last 10 years or more was in 2019 against Tipp and we still lost. Hopefully today we can change that script.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15639 - 17/07/2021 11:32:38    2360601

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Really enjoyed that.

Clare were the much better team. I don't know what it is about Wexford but they struggle with us big time. They have better hurler than they are allowed to show. Davy surely gone now. Lohan has done a super job with limited resources. Not too bad for a "bang average team" that we are being called over in the Wexford forum.

Roll on next week.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 17/07/2021 15:27:03    2360707

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Really enjoyed that.

Clare were the much better team. I don't know what it is about Wexford but they struggle with us big time. They have better hurler than they are allowed to show. Davy surely gone now. Lohan has done a super job with limited resources. Not too bad for a "bang average team" that we are being called over in the Wexford forum.

Roll on next week.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 17/07/2021 15:27:07    2360708

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delighted for ye after what happened in the gaelic grounds.......the more i listen to lohan been interviewed the more you have to like him a very honest man......

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1139 - 17/07/2021 15:46:26    2360718

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Jesus have you ever heard the likes of that interview by Davy.

Deflection deflection deflection.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 17/07/2021 18:13:46    2360774

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Jesus have you ever heard the likes of that interview by Davy.

Deflection deflection deflection."
Completely agree with you on Davy and with the Limerick man previously who spoke about the honesty of Brian Lohan.
This constant tirade from Davy about his family being victims is wearing extremely thin and is actually just plain untrue.
People with the best interests of Clare hurling at heart raised legitimate questions about management and accountability in the County Board and the Fitzgeralds took it personally.
Great management of a team on display today from Brian Lohan who is doing a great job despite the obstacles being placed in his way. Clare is back again playing with pride, passion AND intelligence!

Smb2 (Clare) - Posts: 12 - 17/07/2021 21:41:55    2360856

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Jesus have you ever heard the likes of that interview by Davy.

Deflection deflection deflection."
Completely agree with you on Davy and with the Limerick man previously who spoke about the honesty of Brian Lohan.
This constant tirade from Davy about his family being victims is wearing extremely thin and is actually just plain untrue.
People with the best interests of Clare hurling at heart raised legitimate questions about management and accountability in the County Board and the Fitzgeralds took it personally.
Great management of a team on display today from Brian Lohan who is doing a great job despite the obstacles being placed in his way. Clare is back again playing with pride, passion AND intelligence!

Smb2 (Clare) - Posts: 12 - 17/07/2021 21:42:17    2360857

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