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If its true about POC knee is a terrible blow. Great warrior and servant to Clare for over a decade. Wishing him a speedy recovery.

Flakeaway (Tipperary) - Posts: 14 - 30/05/2021 10:51:42    2346463

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Replying To Flakeaway:  "If its true about POC knee is a terrible blow. Great warrior and servant to Clare for over a decade. Wishing him a speedy recovery."
Ya its a bad blow particularly for Pat personally. Had been a great servant for clare over the last number or years.
It would have been interesting to see if he would have been starting this year, dont think he had the pace for corner back and i dont think he'd have been considered for the wing.
Part of me thought he may be an option at 6, but i think he would've probably been a sub this year if he had stayed fit.
Best of luck to Pat in recovery anyway, hope to see him back next year.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 31/05/2021 15:54:51    2347052

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Replying To Flakeaway:  "If its true about POC knee is a terrible blow. Great warrior and servant to Clare for over a decade. Wishing him a speedy recovery."
Cheers for the good wishes Is he definately gone ? very solid defender we can ill afford his loss

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 984 - 31/05/2021 16:47:06    2347089

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What is the situation with Tony Kelly regarding his injury, is it more serious than a "dead leg" and is he expected to play the remaining league games or be given more time to be ready for the championship.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 01/06/2021 09:54:15    2347288

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "What is the situation with Tony Kelly regarding his injury, is it more serious than a "dead leg" and is he expected to play the remaining league games or be given more time to be ready for the championship."
I'd be fairly certain he will be back this weekend.
Colm galvin may also start this weekend.
David McInerney as far as i am aware should also be back.
Unless I am missing anyone, with the exception of pat o'connor i think we should have everyone available this weekend. Stephen O'Halloran actually is another who i think will miss out

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 01/06/2021 11:01:28    2347314

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "I'd be fairly certain he will be back this weekend.
Colm galvin may also start this weekend.
David McInerney as far as i am aware should also be back.
Unless I am missing anyone, with the exception of pat o'connor i think we should have everyone available this weekend. Stephen O'Halloran actually is another who i think will miss out"
Thank's for that hurlingexpert , whether he's back or not will decide whether or not Clare will go in my accumulator so any news closer to the weekend would be appreciated.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 01/06/2021 13:24:24    2347378

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Thank's for that hurlingexpert , whether he's back or not will decide whether or not Clare will go in my accumulator so any news closer to the weekend would be appreciated."
Well it's on in Parnell Park and i think Dublin where Dublin are very hard to beat. Hard to know what kind of team clare have out, so i wouldnt be putting the house on clare even if Kelly is starting.
Even though we have lost a few, i think this game is more important to Dublin considering where they are in year 3 with kenny.
Tough one to call.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 01/06/2021 14:37:47    2347405

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Well it's on in Parnell Park and i think Dublin where Dublin are very hard to beat. Hard to know what kind of team clare have out, so i wouldnt be putting the house on clare even if Kelly is starting.
Even though we have lost a few, i think this game is more important to Dublin considering where they are in year 3 with kenny.
Tough one to call."
Any news from the Clare camp or will the team be named tonight ?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 04/06/2021 18:53:02    2348262

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Good win yesterday, to score 34 points was very impressive. We do need to try work a few goal chances though, but with Dublin playing a sweeper it wasnt going to be easy. Plus with o'donnell playing a lot in the half forward line, it was also going to reduce our goal threat. He did play very well though, particularly in the first half I thought he was our best player.
Delighted to finally see aidan mccarthy start at wing forward, i had been saying for a while that its his best position. He had been messed around with a bit playing him in the half backline, midfield and full forward line.
I think we need to put malone back into the the other wing forward position. He wasntcas effective at midfield as he had been at no. 10.
Our team has almost come together now. I think it was conlon's best game at 6. And while i wasnt in favour of the move it seems to be working and he is obviously there for the year now.
I would leave ian galvin, david reidy and david fitzgerald as sub options. Then id have browne corner back and id persist with rodgers corner forward. Assuming david mcinerney will come back in, i think there's one position left. It may be unlikely seen as he hasnt got much game time this year, but id have jason mccarthy midfield. Leaving no.7 for ncinerney.
Then that's a team i fully believe can beat waterford

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 06/06/2021 08:38:14    2348582

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Id pick this team but I don't think it will happen. You have to respect Lohan and his beliefs but Conlan at 6 is a big ask and Cleary at 3 still not convinced. There seems to be a good spirit in the group and if the other forwards can help Kelly we have a chance. POC is a big loss. If fit, for me he plays as he is reliable. Our squad depth once again is not great and when you see lads who aren't even 30 and not injured not involved its really hard to compete with the top 5 or 6 teams.

Any success we have had in last few years has coincided with our best players being available.

Not sure what happened with Touhy but bar Antrim game, Quilligan has done well so he will start. Id would have liked to see Cian Galvin get more game time but he is still v young. Same with Donnellan. There is a good side there but might take a few years to come through. David Mac is a risk but worth taking as he is an excellent hurler.

Qulligan

Hayes
Cleary
Aaron Fitz

David Mac
Diarmuid Ryan
Jack Browne

Galvin
David Fitz

Aidan Mac
TK
Malone

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Conlan
Shanagher

Ian Galvin, Reidy, Meehan, Jason Mac, Taylor to come off bench.

Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 08/06/2021 11:00:28    2348930

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Replying To Clareman:  "Id pick this team but I don't think it will happen. You have to respect Lohan and his beliefs but Conlan at 6 is a big ask and Cleary at 3 still not convinced. There seems to be a good spirit in the group and if the other forwards can help Kelly we have a chance. POC is a big loss. If fit, for me he plays as he is reliable. Our squad depth once again is not great and when you see lads who aren't even 30 and not injured not involved its really hard to compete with the top 5 or 6 teams.

Any success we have had in last few years has coincided with our best players being available.

Not sure what happened with Touhy but bar Antrim game, Quilligan has done well so he will start. Id would have liked to see Cian Galvin get more game time but he is still v young. Same with Donnellan. There is a good side there but might take a few years to come through. David Mac is a risk but worth taking as he is an excellent hurler.

Qulligan

Hayes
Cleary
Aaron Fitz

David Mac
Diarmuid Ryan
Jack Browne

Galvin
David Fitz

Aidan Mac
TK
Malone

SOD
Conlan
Shanagher

Ian Galvin, Reidy, Meehan, Jason Mac, Taylor to come off bench."
I would agree with a lot of this team maybe jack Browne at 6 & Ryan on wing as you say a lot of good fit hurlers such as Morey/Cunningham/podge not committing for what ever reason.

But id say the team wont be too dissimilar from last Sunday.

Aidan McCarthy now looks areal scoring forward and Mark Rodgers looks a decent prospect also .

We would be so much more of a threat with JC at full forward Aron S still a bit obvious off his god side

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 984 - 08/06/2021 12:25:22    2348950

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Diarmuid Ryan could definitely develop into a long term option at 6, but i think it wouldnt be fair to move him from the wing now. He's settling into that position and has probably been our best player this year.

I actually think our long term option at 6 is Cian Galvin. Just given a few years to develop physically and become accustomed to senior intercounty hurling i think he has it to be the future there for us. Similarly i think last years minor full back hogan is out long term 3. We could be very secure into the future if those 2 can make the step up in a few years time. I dont think ive seen as natural a full back as hogan on any underage clare team in a long time. I dont think even cian dillon or david mcinerney were natural full backs like this lad is.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 10/06/2021 12:16:34    2349354

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Diarmuid Ryan could definitely develop into a long term option at 6, but i think it wouldnt be fair to move him from the wing now. He's settling into that position and has probably been our best player this year.

I actually think our long term option at 6 is Cian Galvin. Just given a few years to develop physically and become accustomed to senior intercounty hurling i think he has it to be the future there for us. Similarly i think last years minor full back hogan is out long term 3. We could be very secure into the future if those 2 can make the step up in a few years time. I dont think ive seen as natural a full back as hogan on any underage clare team in a long time. I dont think even cian dillon or david mcinerney were natural full backs like this lad is."
Yes I agree with you on Cian Galvin, serious potential and has a good size about him. Good hurler as well.

My only fear for Jack at 6 is that he isnt that big, although he is tough and good hurler and thinks like a defender. Fine player for us, rarely lets us down.

We havent had a natural full back since Lohan. Frank did a stop gap job for a while, then BOC, then Cooney, then Dillon, Davy Mac, POC and now Cleary. All half backs or corners converted. Its a hard position tho. Very few natural ones now. Daithi Burke is the stadn out and he may end up at 6 this year. Mike Casey is good but he is currently injured. Even Tipp and KK dont have one at moment. The game has changed a lot though to be fair. A 3 now has to be more mobile and faster than before.

Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 11/06/2021 08:53:14    2349520

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All and all it has been a really positive league, we have grown game in game out. We have developed a nice panel too and will have great confidence going into the Waterford game. Any day is a great day when you put 4 goals on KK. Cody won't be pleased with his defence. Bad start to the league but the trajectory has been upwards since. With Clare's greatest ever hurler in our midfield, we will be a game for anyone.

Well done Brian Lohan.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 12/06/2021 17:28:18    2349846

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Really pleasing win yesterday. Lots of positives to take from it. Especially scoring 4 goals. And also I thought conlon was excellent at 6, particularly in a positional sense covering his full back line. Ryan at 5 has easily been our player of the league.
Negatives being the injuries to david mc and aaron fitzgerald. Hopefully David Mc was a precautionary change, as he had been having a great game up to the injury at wing back - where a number of us on here having been saying for some time he should be.

Looking to the championship team, there are probably 12/13 certainties the way i see it after yesterday.
1 Quilligan
2 Hayes
3 Cleary
4 Up for debate. Arron Fitz unlucky to get injured yesterday. Flanagan did well when he came in particularly in the first half. I would have jack browne here but dont know if he is maybe not favoured by lohan
5 Ryan
6 Conlon
7 Would be McInerney if fit. If not, then possibly paudi fitz, as i prefer david fitz as an impact sub. But if mac is out then its a close call between those 2.
8 Galvin, probably a cert. However has been relatively quiet in his 2 games at midfield so far. Hopefully another 2 weeks training will have him up to the level required.
9 Kelly, looks like he will be here. I would much prefer him at centre forward, especially against waterford the way they set up. He was much quieter from open play yesterday than he was from 11 against dublin
10 Malone
11 Reidy, i questioned his inclusion but cemented his place yesterday
12 McCarthy
13 O'Donnell
14 Shanagher
15 Up for debate, i like rodgers but i dont know if he has done enough. Probably him or ian galvin here. Possibly Taylor as well who did well when he came on yesterday. Cant call this one.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 13/06/2021 08:22:33    2350064

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Good performance yesterday overall. From the halfbacks out they were good. It all comes down to the fullback line and can they stop Hutchinson and Bennett. Cleary is ok at holding the centre but his clipping at players is unnecessary. He got booked for a tap on Reid and he should have been booked for playing Walters arm. He doesn't need to do that...abit more discipline and he'd be fine. The corners will give up scores. Hayes has everything but tightness and Aaron in the other corner is the real worry. He's way too loose . Jack Browne isn't an option to start as he's too indisciplined and slow but could cover an injured player . Upfront things are looking up...Rogers was average but id start him in Championship and just get him closer to Shanagher. Shanagher was good but could be better..he let's the ball past him too much. Its either feast or famine with him...he just needs to hold up the dirty ball abit . Everyone else was good or very good

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 13/06/2021 11:54:26    2350140

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ye are going fairly well i can see the clare waterford game as a very close one......maybe a slight fancy for waterford but its going to be very close.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1139 - 13/06/2021 12:16:46    2350148

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I don't think Jack browne is an inter county corner back. Id play him at wing or nowhere.

I think he isn't going to start so id say it will be:

Quilligan,

Flanagan ( fitz looks like he wont make it)
Cleary
Hayes

Ryan
Conlan ( still not sure on this one)
David Fitz as i cant see Mac making it. If fit, Id pick the latter.

Galvin, super hurler, has to be at 8.
Kelly but will roam and swap with Malone or Reidy.

Malone
Reidy
Aidan McCarthy - fantastic season so far and really building on last year.

SOD
Shanagher
I think Taylor as mgmt might bring him out the field and leave the other 2 inside. Rodgers and Galvin maybe more impact from bench.

Likes of Browne, Jason Mac, Golden probably will all get game time as well.

Lohan has done a solid job all things considered. They play for him and go right to the end. Even last year, Limerick beat us by 10 and Waterford by 9 but the lads kept going. In modern game now if your head drops you can lose by 20+ points easily.

Waterford are a v good team. We have a chance though as De Burca is a massive loss. We were in their position last year with big players out so its nice to have Conlan and Galvin back.

Up The Banner. Give the everything lads.

Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 14/06/2021 14:54:10    2350817

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Replying To Clareman:  "I don't think Jack browne is an inter county corner back. Id play him at wing or nowhere.

I think he isn't going to start so id say it will be:

Quilligan,

Flanagan ( fitz looks like he wont make it)
Cleary
Hayes

Ryan
Conlan ( still not sure on this one)
David Fitz as i cant see Mac making it. If fit, Id pick the latter.

Galvin, super hurler, has to be at 8.
Kelly but will roam and swap with Malone or Reidy.

Malone
Reidy
Aidan McCarthy - fantastic season so far and really building on last year.

SOD
Shanagher
I think Taylor as mgmt might bring him out the field and leave the other 2 inside. Rodgers and Galvin maybe more impact from bench.

Likes of Browne, Jason Mac, Golden probably will all get game time as well.

Lohan has done a solid job all things considered. They play for him and go right to the end. Even last year, Limerick beat us by 10 and Waterford by 9 but the lads kept going. In modern game now if your head drops you can lose by 20+ points easily.

Waterford are a v good team. We have a chance though as De Burca is a massive loss. We were in their position last year with big players out so its nice to have Conlan and Galvin back.

Up The Banner. Give the everything lads."
I would agree on pretty much everything you have said, with the exception of jack browne!
I dont think jack has the height to be playing wing back. This i feel was always an issue for seadna morey as well and the reason he was never established as a wing back for us.
Jack has loads of hurling but doesn't have that physical presence for the central defensive positions or the wing back slots in my opinion.
I think he is one of only a few natural defenders we have.
The new penalty rules may be a reason management havent picked jack in the corner, as he has been known to pull a man down. But i didnt particularly see that as a negative. He was our only defender who was ruthless enough to do whatever it took to prevent a goalscoring chance. While other backs we had would have forwards running past them, maybe scoring goals. But they mat not be criticised as they haven't fouled.
The new rules obviously punish that type of tackle. But regardless i have no doubt that jack is one of our 2 best corner backs. Along with rory hayes obviously.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 17/06/2021 23:11:50    2351766

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Shane O'Donnell is a huge loss to us, he had shown some very good form in the league. I suppose that probably means rodgers will get his championship debut. So best of luck to him, great prospect. Ian Galvin probably in the other corner. And i hope Shane makes a speedy recovery to make it back for our next game.
All quiet on david mac's injury, but i think its hard to see him start even if he is fit after playing so little.
Who replaces him will probably depend on who is best suited to take on jack fagan under the high ball. Wouldnt necessarily be my first choice but I think they will go with paudi Fitzpatrick.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 23/06/2021 09:57:01    2352769

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