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So Brian lohan attempted to get wexford in trouble "oh dear poor fellah !

Wexpurebred (Wexford) - Posts: 205 - 24/05/2021 19:02:41    2345115

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What's the story with Davy McInerney and Pat O'Connor? Are they out for long?

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 25/05/2021 13:01:06    2345347

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Replying To Wexpurebred:  "So Brian lohan attempted to get wexford in trouble "oh dear poor fellah !"
Haha i think we all really know what's going on here. Yes the HSE are the people who nominate close contacts. But this is done on the basis of the information given to them by the individuals who have Covid. A little bizarre you might think that the wexford players gave the HSE the names of 2 Clare players and none of their own teammates. That despite the wexford team travelling together and staying in Limerick the night before the game. Using the dressing room, team huddle etc.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 25/05/2021 15:23:20    2345398

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Replying To Ban:  "What's the story with Davy McInerney and Pat O'Connor? Are they out for long?"
Davy Mac a quad not serious I believe back running POC as far as i know was togged for last Sunday

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 984 - 25/05/2021 16:22:42    2345417

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Haha i think we all really know what's going on here. Yes the HSE are the people who nominate close contacts. But this is done on the basis of the information given to them by the individuals who have Covid. A little bizarre you might think that the wexford players gave the HSE the names of 2 Clare players and none of their own teammates. That despite the wexford team travelling together and staying in Limerick the night before the game. Using the dressing room, team huddle etc."
my take on all this is the carry on from wexford was a disgrace.....the only people that could have give the names of the the close contacts to the hse were the 2 wexford players...this was a terrible thing to do considering the wexford panel/management stayed in the strand hotel in limerick on sat night . used the same dressing room. id love to know who was behind this carry on.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1139 - 25/05/2021 17:40:51    2345445

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Haha i think we all really know what's going on here. Yes the HSE are the people who nominate close contacts. But this is done on the basis of the information given to them by the individuals who have Covid. A little bizarre you might think that the wexford players gave the HSE the names of 2 Clare players and none of their own teammates. That despite the wexford team travelling together and staying in Limerick the night before the game. Using the dressing room, team huddle etc."
The entire wexford panel are close contacts. Are you aware that the kilkenny match was postponed? Clare gaa are looking like right clowns at the moment. Put down the shovel lads, the hole is deep enough.

Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 268 - 25/05/2021 18:18:24    2345452

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Replying To Waltermitty2:  "The entire wexford panel are close contacts. Are you aware that the kilkenny match was postponed? Clare gaa are looking like right clowns at the moment. Put down the shovel lads, the hole is deep enough."
Maybe get your facts right. The game was called off at the weekend because their was a third positive case in the wexford squad. This third player being someone who was not named as a close contact of the original 2 positive cases. As only the 2 clare players were named as close contacts on last Thursday evening. The game was not called off until the third positive case was confirmed on saturday.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 25/05/2021 19:00:54    2345460

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "my take on all this is the carry on from wexford was a disgrace.....the only people that could have give the names of the the close contacts to the hse were the 2 wexford players...this was a terrible thing to do considering the wexford panel/management stayed in the strand hotel in limerick on sat night . used the same dressing room. id love to know who was behind this carry on."
Well said. My sister works for the HSE and she said without doubt the HSE had to get those names from people at the game. I think Wexford will be the ones apologizing when all this is over.

Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 26/05/2021 10:36:32    2345587

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Replying To Clareman:  "Well said. My sister works for the HSE and she said without doubt the HSE had to get those names from people at the game. I think Wexford will be the ones apologizing when all this is over."
What would wexford apologise for?

Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 268 - 26/05/2021 11:46:56    2345607

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Replying To Waltermitty2:  "What would wexford apologise for?"
Well similar to yourself, having clearly made an incorrect comment, been called out for it and just ignored that. The wexford chairman said wexford had no part in the hse nominating contacts. The wexford players gave the 2 clare players as people they were in close contact with, identifying one by the colour of his helmet. And the wexford players appear not to have told the hse that any of their own teammates were in close contact to them - prior to the third player being a confirmed case on saturday.

If you cannot understand how this is all very unusual and reflects poorly on wexford, then i advise you to focus on your school work and stop pestering adults.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 26/05/2021 12:12:12    2345623

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Well similar to yourself, having clearly made an incorrect comment, been called out for it and just ignored that. The wexford chairman said wexford had no part in the hse nominating contacts. The wexford players gave the 2 clare players as people they were in close contact with, identifying one by the colour of his helmet. And the wexford players appear not to have told the hse that any of their own teammates were in close contact to them - prior to the third player being a confirmed case on saturday.

If you cannot understand how this is all very unusual and reflects poorly on wexford, then i advise you to focus on your school work and stop pestering adults."
How do you know that the tracer didnt ask them who they were marking and they told them? What would be supicious bout that? Clearly an issue with the hse and not wexford

Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 268 - 26/05/2021 12:41:59    2345634

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Well similar to yourself, having clearly made an incorrect comment, been called out for it and just ignored that. The wexford chairman said wexford had no part in the hse nominating contacts. The wexford players gave the 2 clare players as people they were in close contact with, identifying one by the colour of his helmet. And the wexford players appear not to have told the hse that any of their own teammates were in close contact to them - prior to the third player being a confirmed case on saturday.

If you cannot understand how this is all very unusual and reflects poorly on wexford, then i advise you to focus on your school work and stop pestering adults."
Okay so you're more outrage the chairman might have lied than the actual issue at hand? How do you know the Wexford players said "I marked X at the weekend you should deem him close contact"? Even if you did know that was said or some version of it, the HSE don't care. They decide who's a close contact and who isn't. How do you know they never mentioned their teammates?

Kettle calling the pot black, you know a thing or two in Clare about shady business and looking bad.

Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 266 - 26/05/2021 14:01:53    2345669

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Replying To Waltermitty2:  "How do you know that the tracer didnt ask them who they were marking and they told them? What would be supicious bout that? Clearly an issue with the hse and not wexford"
I don't know about this now, im only assuming. But i dont know if the fact they were playing for wexford is specifically an issue for the hse. Like i assume the hse would ask who have you been in close contact with generally rather than asking about individual areas of someone's life. Now I could be wrong there, that's just an opinion so i am open to correction.

Also the other reason i would be suspicious is because of a particular person who is involved with the wexford setup. But again that is just a personal feeling which is totally unfounded. But look, time will tell on that as well

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 26/05/2021 15:20:57    2345692

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Replying To Fulgrim:  "Okay so you're more outrage the chairman might have lied than the actual issue at hand? How do you know the Wexford players said "I marked X at the weekend you should deem him close contact"? Even if you did know that was said or some version of it, the HSE don't care. They decide who's a close contact and who isn't. How do you know they never mentioned their teammates?

Kettle calling the pot black, you know a thing or two in Clare about shady business and looking bad."
Well if the chairman did give the wrong info while saying someone else gave incorrect info, then that's an issue but not surprising from a person in his sort of position.

But the obviously issue is why 2 opposition players were named as close contacts.

Personally and i think generally most people's issue is why were 2 clare players given as contacts and not any wexford players. You'd assume the other wexford players would be far more high risk, having travelled together, stayed together, used the same dressing room, had a team huddle etc. Which is why it appears the wexford players suggested the 2 clare players and not any of their own teammates. Which you would assume was influenced by someone over the players heads.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 26/05/2021 15:43:02    2345700

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "I don't know about this now, im only assuming. But i dont know if the fact they were playing for wexford is specifically an issue for the hse. Like i assume the hse would ask who have you been in close contact with generally rather than asking about individual areas of someone's life. Now I could be wrong there, that's just an opinion so i am open to correction.

Also the other reason i would be suspicious is because of a particular person who is involved with the wexford setup. But again that is just a personal feeling which is totally unfounded. But look, time will tell on that as well"
I can 100% see why people think that wexford did something just to get at brian lohan because davy is the manager but it was upto the hse to decide who was a close contact. Wouldnt be the first mistake made by them and you can be certain it wont be the last. Maybe people are correct and davy had his players somehow convince the hse that they were holding hands or something but i just dont see how that could be allowed happen. Be some craic if true though.

Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 268 - 26/05/2021 16:08:08    2345709

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Well if the chairman did give the wrong info while saying someone else gave incorrect info, then that's an issue but not surprising from a person in his sort of position.

But the obviously issue is why 2 opposition players were named as close contacts.

Personally and i think generally most people's issue is why were 2 clare players given as contacts and not any wexford players. You'd assume the other wexford players would be far more high risk, having travelled together, stayed together, used the same dressing room, had a team huddle etc. Which is why it appears the wexford players suggested the 2 clare players and not any of their own teammates. Which you would assume was influenced by someone over the players heads."
Okay great but I'm so sure he did give the wrong information. He stated that no Wexford player named a Clare player as a CLOSE contact. You can call it semantics but I think its an important distinction.

Do I think the Wexford players named the Clare lads as contacts? Yes. Do I think they intentionally only listed Clare players as contacts and potentially even exaggerated their contact with them? No. I mean if they really schemed to disrupt Clare for the Laois game why wouldn't they nominate more important players? It doesn't make sense. All they'd be doing is sticking a lightning rod on their own backs and making sure Clare had tonnes of motivation against them.

You would assume the Wexford players were more risk as a layman. The truth is it isn't always that simple. What do I think happened? I think the lads gave a full list of everyone they were in contact with (including teammates and opposition players). I think the HSE correctly categorized the Wexford lads as casual but for some stupid reason categorized the Clare lads as close. Perhaps because they spent 70mins physically close to each other (19 mins for the sub). Honestly I think the HSE screwed up. Mistakes definitely do happen especially given how busy they are with COVID and their IT system problems. And you are also dealing with two divisions of the HSE covering the two counties. Is it possible there was a breakdown in communication between the division covering Wexford (which the lads gave their contacts to) and the division covering Clare?

Clare and Wexford never had an animosity, there's literally no reason for us to act like ejits in this case. I genuinely think Lohan overreacted and called out Wexford GAA prematurely on national TV.

Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 266 - 26/05/2021 16:25:47    2345717

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Replying To Waltermitty2:  "I can 100% see why people think that wexford did something just to get at brian lohan because davy is the manager but it was upto the hse to decide who was a close contact. Wouldnt be the first mistake made by them and you can be certain it wont be the last. Maybe people are correct and davy had his players somehow convince the hse that they were holding hands or something but i just dont see how that could be allowed happen. Be some craic if true though."
Well this is a pretty serious public health matter, so i wouldnt exactly say that would be good craic.

Yes the HSE decide who is close contacts, but as with any other case they can only go on the information provided to them by the person who tested positive. Which is why it is pretty obvious the players didnt mention their teammates who they would almost definitely have been in closer contact with than the clare players. Certainly when you consider the travelling, staying over, dressing room, team huddles etc. Those scenarios are absolute fact, which there is no getting away from. Those are an awful lot more high risk than an outdoor sports game setting.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 26/05/2021 16:51:06    2345720

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Replying To Fulgrim:  "Okay great but I'm so sure he did give the wrong information. He stated that no Wexford player named a Clare player as a CLOSE contact. You can call it semantics but I think its an important distinction.

Do I think the Wexford players named the Clare lads as contacts? Yes. Do I think they intentionally only listed Clare players as contacts and potentially even exaggerated their contact with them? No. I mean if they really schemed to disrupt Clare for the Laois game why wouldn't they nominate more important players? It doesn't make sense. All they'd be doing is sticking a lightning rod on their own backs and making sure Clare had tonnes of motivation against them.

You would assume the Wexford players were more risk as a layman. The truth is it isn't always that simple. What do I think happened? I think the lads gave a full list of everyone they were in contact with (including teammates and opposition players). I think the HSE correctly categorized the Wexford lads as casual but for some stupid reason categorized the Clare lads as close. Perhaps because they spent 70mins physically close to each other (19 mins for the sub). Honestly I think the HSE screwed up. Mistakes definitely do happen especially given how busy they are with COVID and their IT system problems. And you are also dealing with two divisions of the HSE covering the two counties. Is it possible there was a breakdown in communication between the division covering Wexford (which the lads gave their contacts to) and the division covering Clare?

Clare and Wexford never had an animosity, there's literally no reason for us to act like ejits in this case. I genuinely think Lohan overreacted and called out Wexford GAA prematurely on national TV."
Well they didnt suggest more clare players because that would've made it even more bizarre that none of their teammates were named and wouldve left no debate as to their motives.

I also believe lohan was correct in what he said and he should stand over it. If there is a mistake here it is from the HSE, because if the issue here is from the wexford side then that is no mistake. It would be intentional i believe.
All we can say for sure is that in this circumstance clare are completely innocent. For a change!

The hse not commenting adequately is a big issue, we need to get to the bottom of this as it has an effect on every game that will be played from here on.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 26/05/2021 17:00:13    2345722

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Replying To hurlingexpert:  "Well this is a pretty serious public health matter, so i wouldnt exactly say that would be good craic.

Yes the HSE decide who is close contacts, but as with any other case they can only go on the information provided to them by the person who tested positive. Which is why it is pretty obvious the players didnt mention their teammates who they would almost definitely have been in closer contact with than the clare players. Certainly when you consider the travelling, staying over, dressing room, team huddles etc. Those scenarios are absolute fact, which there is no getting away from. Those are an awful lot more high risk than an outdoor sports game setting."
And what if they followed the guidelines and all travelled separately. All had different rooms (or as small a group per room as possible), they would have had no meals together sure the hotel restaurant would have been closed, team huddled last less than a minute (and to my understanding time is an important variable when calculating the risk of spreading), etc.

I don't think it's pretty obvious the Wexford lads excluded their teammates at all. We're all laymen, talking about a really complex evolving field; epidemiology. Also as I said in a previous posted, two separate divisions of the HSE involved here with a screwed up IT system before it even got hacked. There's definitely scope for a mistake there and the division covering the south east correctly classifying casual contacts and the division cover Clare incorrectly classifying as close contacts.

Never attribute to malice something that can be explained by incompetence

Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 266 - 26/05/2021 17:04:02    2345723

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Replying To Fulgrim:  "And what if they followed the guidelines and all travelled separately. All had different rooms (or as small a group per room as possible), they would have had no meals together sure the hotel restaurant would have been closed, team huddled last less than a minute (and to my understanding time is an important variable when calculating the risk of spreading), etc.

I don't think it's pretty obvious the Wexford lads excluded their teammates at all. We're all laymen, talking about a really complex evolving field; epidemiology. Also as I said in a previous posted, two separate divisions of the HSE involved here with a screwed up IT system before it even got hacked. There's definitely scope for a mistake there and the division covering the south east correctly classifying casual contacts and the division cover Clare incorrectly classifying as close contacts.

Never attribute to malice something that can be explained by incompetence"
I would in other circumstances agree with most of that, but its hard to look at this situation innocently when a particular individual is involved. In my opinion no person who is from county wexford is at fault here.

Even if the players did just give their clare opponents as people they were in contact with and not their own teammates, i wouldnt blame them. Players do what they are told.

I said in a previous post that clare are completely innocent in this. Well to correct myself, maybe not every single person who is from clare is innocent. All bar 1 or 2 maybe. Blood is thicker than water after all.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 26/05/2021 18:13:22    2345738

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