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HS Readers' Football Team Of The Decade - Forwards

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Flynn
Kilkenny
Connolly
Brogan
Murphy
Moran

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 08/12/2019 15:46:41    2253820

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Replying To boman11:  "Its hardly fair to say that at all. I can only assume that when you say 'needed most' you are referring to the crunch games mayo have played over the years which is their AI finals and semis mainly. I wouldn't say its fair to solely say O'Shea disappointed when needed most, it was more like a Mayo team, who by the way were a fantastic team worthy of an AI, that didn't quite have the know how to get over the line and dictate a close game in the dying stages. To pick out 1 or 2 of Mayos 'bigger players' as the fault for this wouldnt be completely correct.

in all fairness now big O'Shea was and is a superb footballer, I wouldnt have much to argue with anyone that did have him in.

that being said I probably wouldnt be changing my front 6 to accommodate him but I could possibly have him at Midfield. But to say he is "nowhere near the great players mentioned" above is very foolish. What a player and servant he has been for Mayo. Definitely deserves some recognition."
Couldn't agree more. The amount of folk who lay the blame at AOS for Mayo not getting over the line. He didn't score two own goals, get stupidly sent off in a final, nor miss an equalising free (not easy) at the death. He owes Mayo nothing and has been absolutely one of the top players of decade and would get on the Dublin Team. It seems because he is big and has suffered from being played in a few different roles that he's an easy target. Plenty of Mayos other top players, including some of their super human backs, had tough to bad days in big games including the Holy Trinity of Higgins, Keegan and Boyler

DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 08/12/2019 22:44:27    2253874

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Replying To DonegalAtlantic:  "Couldn't agree more. The amount of folk who lay the blame at AOS for Mayo not getting over the line. He didn't score two own goals, get stupidly sent off in a final, nor miss an equalising free (not easy) at the death. He owes Mayo nothing and has been absolutely one of the top players of decade and would get on the Dublin Team. It seems because he is big and has suffered from being played in a few different roles that he's an easy target. Plenty of Mayos other top players, including some of their super human backs, had tough to bad days in big games including the Holy Trinity of Higgins, Keegan and Boyler"
Agree with most of that. I do think he suffers from a lack of mobility though. The very best midfielders like Fenton, Moran, Cavanagh are seldom seen with their head bowed, hands on hips gasping for air. Pace and recovery seem to be issues for him but there's no doubting his footballing ability and he has dragged Mayo through games on many occasions. Not sure he'd make a Dublin starting 15 but would be knocking on the door alright.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 09/12/2019 08:53:42    2253888

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Replying To Joxer:  "Agree with most of that. I do think he suffers from a lack of mobility though. The very best midfielders like Fenton, Moran, Cavanagh are seldom seen with their head bowed, hands on hips gasping for air. Pace and recovery seem to be issues for him but there's no doubting his footballing ability and he has dragged Mayo through games on many occasions. Not sure he'd make a Dublin starting 15 but would be knocking on the door alright."
Maybe his best year may be ahead of him with the advanced mark, hes certainly a massive option with it.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/12/2019 10:01:20    2253897

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I never blamed him on mayo losing, oconnor missed important kicks at a vital stage im saying hes not as good as the other lads and i still say it.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 09/12/2019 12:53:10    2253928

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Replying To dubshurling7:  "Flynn
Kilkenny
Connolly
Brogan
Murphy
Moran"
With the clear Dublin bias on display here, I wouldn't be surprised if you're referring to Vinny Murphy and Kevin Moran!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 09/12/2019 16:14:09    2253968

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Murphy Kilkenny Connolly
Brogan CON Mannion

thegen (Dublin) - Posts: 30 - 10/12/2019 16:31:11    2254139

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Paul Flynn
Ciaran Kilkenny
Diarmuid Connolly
Michael Murphy
Dean Rock
Bernard Brogan

Notable mentions for McManus and Cillian O'Connor, but i would have only one place kicker and you just cant argue with Rock from play, goals and composure in set pieces in pressure moments when there are medals to be won.

Shout out for Andy Moran as well, a couple of seasons when he was probably the best full forward about."
I wouldn't class Rock and McManus together at all. McManus is so much more than accurate from a placed ball. Honestly he, i try to be objective, is one of the greatest forwards of the game, His ability to lift a team to achieve great things is something that Rock can't relate too. In this sense he is more of a Connolly figure with respect to his influence and talent.

By the way, I do think Rock is class but I would regard him to be in the running for a spot here. McManus has a spot with a few others TBD. Per another poster, I would see McManus, Murphy as nailed on. I would also add Connolly....then after that its a struggle!

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 10/12/2019 17:50:58    2254157

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Connolly, Murphy, Flynn
McManus, Moran, Brogan

struggled on this one....CON, Cooper, COC very close

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 10/12/2019 18:02:40    2254162

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Replying To Gator:  "I wouldn't class Rock and McManus together at all. McManus is so much more than accurate from a placed ball. Honestly he, i try to be objective, is one of the greatest forwards of the game, His ability to lift a team to achieve great things is something that Rock can't relate too. In this sense he is more of a Connolly figure with respect to his influence and talent.

By the way, I do think Rock is class but I would regard him to be in the running for a spot here. McManus has a spot with a few others TBD. Per another poster, I would see McManus, Murphy as nailed on. I would also add Connolly....then after that its a struggle!"
Perhaps I have the blue tinted glasses on a chara and I wouldn't disagree with much of what you said, McManus is magnificent. My best quality players of the decade, would be different to my team of the decade, undoubtedly McManus is one of the highest quality players in the country.

Deano for me gets it though for other reasons, medals, character, nerve, leadership, consistency and overall contribution as well as quality over the decade . He is massively underrated, luckily for us, about to become one of Dublin's all time winning scorers in the greatest Dublin team, maybe the best ever. National titles in double digits over the decade, complete with a five in a row. If you weigh up his contribution to this Dublin team, Mr dependable every game, he's contributes as much if not more then most marquee forwards from play including goals. But most importantly he's the go to man under pressure, that pressure kick in the final in 17 an example.

If I had to pick out the greatest performance of a Dublin player in this era of success, Deanos performance in the first final this year is right up there, he was phenomenal and carried us on his shoulders to the replay.

Massively underrated every where is Deano, I'd drop others before Deano to squeeze squeeze McManus in if I was forced to and very unlucky to miss out in my shout, big fan.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/12/2019 21:02:13    2254199

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Cillian O'Connor
Michael Murphy
Andy Moran
McManus
STAR Donaghy
Paul Geaney

I moved Moran to the half forwards as he could play anywhere really."
You know the dubs get under kerry skin with posts like this.

hamsterdean (Limerick) - Posts: 223 - 10/12/2019 21:24:00    2254201

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Paul Flynn
Ciaran Kilkenny
Diarmuid Connolly

Conor McManus
Michael Murphy
Bernard Brogan

hamsterdean (Limerick) - Posts: 223 - 10/12/2019 21:26:24    2254202

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10 Paul Flynn
11 Michael Murphy
12 Bernard Brogan
13 David Clifford
14 Dean Rock
15 Conor Mc Manus

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 13/12/2019 13:08:45    2254667

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Replying To brian:  "10 Paul Flynn
11 Michael Murphy
12 Bernard Brogan
13 David Clifford
14 Dean Rock
15 Conor Mc Manus"
Barring injury, Clifford would be odds-on to be in the team of the upcoming decade. Can't agree with him being in this decade's team, since he only played 2 years of it.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2037 - 13/12/2019 14:48:28    2254692

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Based solely on All-Star awards the following 6 attackers are ahead of all others with either 3 or 4 awards:
Bernard Brogan
Michael Murphy
Paul Flynn
Ciaran Kilkenny
Conor McManus
Paul Mannion

(Aidan O Shea has 3 All-Stars but only 1 was awarded as a forward)."
Correction: Colm Cooper has 3 All-Star awards and so should be included above.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 13/12/2019 19:45:58    2254741

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Replying To lilypad:  "I never blamed him on mayo losing, oconnor missed important kicks at a vital stage im saying hes not as good as the other lads and i still say it."
We heard you the first time !

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 648 - 14/12/2019 00:10:38    2254777

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i am not a Cillian fan, he wouldn't get on my list, but i am amazed that practically no one has picked him
As i said, I wouldn't have him either, but I always thought the general perception was that he was top class??

For me

Flynn
Cooper
Connolly

Brogan
Murphy
McManus

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 14/12/2019 10:13:54    2254797

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "i am not a Cillian fan, he wouldn't get on my list, but i am amazed that practically no one has picked him
As i said, I wouldn't have him either, but I always thought the general perception was that he was top class??

For me

Flynn
Cooper
Connolly

Brogan
Murphy
McManus"
A profilic scorer....I rate McManus highly but he has never played in a final....he played in what 1 semi final? How would he perform in the pressure of a final? We will never know.

I think Cillians missed frees in finals have probably skewed people's opinion and label him a bottler. Which is a pity but look I guess until mayo do win Sam that will be the label against us.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 14/12/2019 11:16:47    2254807

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Replying To yew_tree:  "A profilic scorer....I rate McManus highly but he has never played in a final....he played in what 1 semi final? How would he perform in the pressure of a final? We will never know.

I think Cillians missed frees in finals have probably skewed people's opinion and label him a bottler. Which is a pity but look I guess until mayo do win Sam that will be the label against us."
I honestly think its more his general attitude that puts people off Yew
I can't take to him as i just don't like the guy
Some of my favourite non Dub footballers in the last 20 years have been Mayo men.
Ciaran Mc, Lee Keegan, Boyler are lads I would have huge time for
Can't ever take to COC

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 14/12/2019 11:53:24    2254808

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Replying To yew_tree:  "A profilic scorer....I rate McManus highly but he has never played in a final....he played in what 1 semi final? How would he perform in the pressure of a final? We will never know.

I think Cillians missed frees in finals have probably skewed people's opinion and label him a bottler. Which is a pity but look I guess until mayo do win Sam that will be the label against us."
The topic is the team of the decade, the best XV of players over that period, and I may be biased but McManus is absolutely in that category.

It's not the XV of most successful players of the decade - if it was then it would be a very quick answer. If you're going to go down the route of ruling McManus out because he never played in a final, then you might as well just narrow it down to players who actually won an All Ireland. Which would rule out the Mayo players too, which would make no sense as the likes of Keegan belong in that team all day long.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 14/12/2019 11:56:35    2254809

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