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Replying To jonjon: "who in their right mind would want to train at county standard to win a tier 2 championship. it's going to be meaningless !!! I honestly don't understand this way of thinking. Can someone genuinely explain to me how training at county standard with the realistic goal of winning ABSOLUTELY NOTHING because there is close to ZERO chance a division 3 or 4 team will EVER win an All-Ireland, is better than the goal of winning a Tier 2 Championship? Can someone please explain to me? It baffles me every time I see this sentiment being shown. Not trying to be smart, genuinely don't understand it." It baffles me that a Mayo man (like my own county men) can't grasp the concept. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 29/10/2019 18:49:33 2246511 Link
What I want to know is will it any longer be known as the allireland championship? And if it's not the allireland championship then what do we call it? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/10/2019 19:33:25 2246515 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "What I want to know is will it any longer be known as the allireland championship? And if it's not the allireland championship then what do we call it?" It starts off with the lot in there, including teams from the United States of America and the England. Maybe it should be re-named to the World Football Championship! Considering Galway play in the Leinster Hurling Championship, this is unlikely! Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 29/10/2019 20:37:53 2246528 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "The same teams that lose their first qualifier games will lose their tier 2 games. The qualifiers are a tier 2. In a 16 team tier 2, 12 teams will be out after the first 2 rounds. There aren't actually extra games being created here at all. You'll also have teams in tier 1 that don't make the super 8s playing more games. Change was badly needed for the All Ireland championship and it's incredible that they managed to change it for the worse. The same happened with the super 8s." Can you think of a less innovative structure for a Tier 2 - do they have brain cells at all ? - just incredible ! omahant (USA) - Posts: 2581 - 29/10/2019 21:17:32 2246534 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "There's a lot to be said for league being the main competition, played alongside an All Ireland cup competition." How about a 'Champions League NFL' alongside that AI KO Cup ? - Northwest Conference of 16 (Uls, Conn, London & Louth) - Southeast Conf of 16 (the Rest) - Each Conf has 4 ranked divisions of 4 teams - Teams play a 10-match regular season = Own Div/Own Conf twice + Own Div/Other Conf once - 8 Div Champs to 4 NFL Div Finals [6 (divs 2-4) go up with 6 4ths (divs 1-3) going down] - 6 Div 3rds (divs 1-3) host 6 'Intra-Conf' Div 2nds from the div below (divs 2-4) in 6 Promotion/ Relagation Playoffs (6 winners go or stay up) - AI KO Cup = played either as a stand-alone KO 32 in parallel (a la FA Cup) or as a post season KO 16 [NFL Final 8 + Playoff (6 winners + 2 Div 1/2 losers)] - If latter KO 16, teams are seeded (and re-seeded after each round) based on NFL ranking = Div rank, followed by Div position, followed by team record pts, scor diff etc. - Teams are incentivised to move up the divs to earn higher seeding and greater opportunity of being the 'Sam Mc Champ' omahant (USA) - Posts: 2581 - 29/10/2019 22:31:40 2246549 Link
Replying To Ban: "It starts off with the lot in there, including teams from the United States of America and the England. Maybe it should be re-named to the World Football Championship! Considering Galway play in the Leinster Hurling Championship, this is unlikely!" Or the world series of Gaelic football? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/10/2019 22:45:16 2246552 Link
Make that instead - - AI KO Cup = played either as a stand-alone KO 32 in parallel (a la FA Cup) or as a post season KO 16 [NFL Final 8 + Playoff winners 6 + 2 Div 1 2nds]. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2581 - 30/10/2019 00:24:53 2246565 Link
League plus a single tier All-Ireland championship to run concurrently. Every team would have at least 8 games in the spring/summer. 15 if we move to a double round-robin for the League. Another option is increase the number of games is to use the Champions League format for the All-Ireland. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 31/10/2019 00:20:08 2246698 Link
Replying To Hawkeye9212: "League plus a single tier All-Ireland championship to run concurrently. Every team would have at least 8 games in the spring/summer. 15 if we move to a double round-robin for the League. Another option is increase the number of games is to use the Champions League format for the All-Ireland." Or Champions League NFL I have above ? Plenty of success to be targetted - 8 Div Champs, 4 NFL Final Champs, 22 of 32 to the AI KO - maybe better to have 6 Playoff winners to AI KO 16 only with no promotion ? (1 up/ 1 down Div winners only to lessen yo-yo teams) ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2581 - 31/10/2019 12:40:33 2246776 Link
It will be a useless championship. Players will just walk away and who could blame them prideofarigner (Roscommon) - Posts: 31 - 31/10/2019 13:59:35 2246799 Link
Replying To Breezy: "Having the 2 side by side would be great for the league as it would be played while players are at peak fitness. The top teams would probably rest players and put out B teams but With most counties out of the AI after a game or 2 it would be a problem for most. Also the current System that gives the top 8 a round robin and gives tier 2 and the chasing pack straight knockout is a joke" It is a joke. The current format could easily be altered to produce more games. Tier 1 = Div 1 and 2 teams. Tier 2 = Div 3 and 4 teams. This only applies to the first staging. It then becomes a separate competition with no seedings based on the League or Provincials. Both tiers are split into 4 groups of 4. Top 2 teams in each group advance to the quarter-finals. The bottom teams in each group in Tier 1 enter the relegation play-offs. The Tier 2 champions are promoted to Tier 1. Example for Tier 1: Group A Roscommon Laois Galway Kildare Group B Kerry Clare Donegal Armagh Group C Cavan Dublin Tyrone Monaghan Group D Meath Mayo Westmeath Fermanagh Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 31/10/2019 19:33:14 2246878 Link
Replying To Hawkeye9212: "It is a joke. The current format could easily be altered to produce more games. Tier 1 = Div 1 and 2 teams. Tier 2 = Div 3 and 4 teams. This only applies to the first staging. It then becomes a separate competition with no seedings based on the League or Provincials. Both tiers are split into 4 groups of 4. Top 2 teams in each group advance to the quarter-finals. The bottom teams in each group in Tier 1 enter the relegation play-offs. The Tier 2 champions are promoted to Tier 1. Example for Tier 1: Group A Roscommon Laois Galway Kildare Group B Kerry Clare Donegal Armagh Group C Cavan Dublin Tyrone Monaghan Group D Meath Mayo Westmeath Fermanagh" It should be 2 up 2 down, but yes otherwise that'd make for a great championship. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4219 - 31/10/2019 20:33:49 2246890 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "It should be 2 up 2 down, but yes otherwise that'd make for a great championship." I'm not a fan of both finalists promotion to Tier 1. It should be reserved for the champions. Unless there's another way it can be done. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 31/10/2019 21:06:46 2246893 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "It should be 2 up 2 down, but yes otherwise that'd make for a great championship." Why create more games??..to satisfy the broadcast media who are trying to ruin our game mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 01/11/2019 00:37:48 2246921 Link
Replying To mayotyroneman: "Why create more games??..to satisfy the broadcast media who are trying to ruin our game" No to give county players and fans more games. You have to also ask yourself why would the broadcast media want these games, because there's a demand for it. Just because something might be good for broadcasters doesn't make it necessarily bad for players and fans. The current system is stale and a bit of a Frankenstein's monster. The above would be easily scheduled, accessible to fans and way more fair than the current system. I don't like 1 up 1 down because it makes the top tier more exclusive. My absolute preferred system would be 2 tiers of 16. Each tier has 2 groups of 8. There'd by 3 from each tier 1 group emerging to the knockout rounds. There'd by 3 up 3 down between tiers. I really think the flow of teams moving between tiers is huge for the success of a tiered championship. It makes promotion to the top tier a much more attainable goal. The most likely way a tier 2 succeeds is not because there's a trophy at the end of it but because through it there's room to progress to a quality top tier championship. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4219 - 01/11/2019 09:49:28 2246942 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "No to give county players and fans more games. You have to also ask yourself why would the broadcast media want these games, because there's a demand for it. Just because something might be good for broadcasters doesn't make it necessarily bad for players and fans. The current system is stale and a bit of a Frankenstein's monster. The above would be easily scheduled, accessible to fans and way more fair than the current system. I don't like 1 up 1 down because it makes the top tier more exclusive. My absolute preferred system would be 2 tiers of 16. Each tier has 2 groups of 8. There'd by 3 from each tier 1 group emerging to the knockout rounds. There'd by 3 up 3 down between tiers. I really think the flow of teams moving between tiers is huge for the success of a tiered championship. It makes promotion to the top tier a much more attainable goal. The most likely way a tier 2 succeeds is not because there's a trophy at the end of it but because through it there's room to progress to a quality top tier championship." There'd be no National league. February and March would be for club championship. April/May would be for Provincial championship. June/July/August/September for All Ireland championship with designated club weekends in each county to play club football at regular intervals at the height of the season. There's more IC games but they are so much more efficiently organised. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4219 - 01/11/2019 10:55:34 2246956 Link
Speaking of scrapping the League. We could have a three tier championship like the club championships. Tier 1: 12 teams Tier 2: 12 teams Tier 3: 8 teams Each tier has a double round-robin group stage followed by a knockout round. Tier 3 could be a triple round-robin or have cross group games to increase the number of games. Another option is to invite the British teams over and have three tiers of 12. Tiers 1 and 2 have a minimum of 10 games and a maximum of 13 games. Tier 3 has a minimum of 6 games and a maximum of 8. The advantages of this format are that it can played during the spring/summer and leave a lot more time for clubs. It also gives every county something to play for. The provincials could be played before or alongside the championship. The GAA could also explore other types of pre-season competitions. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 01/11/2019 19:39:07 2247057 Link
Replying To Hawkeye9212: "Speaking of scrapping the League. We could have a three tier championship like the club championships. Tier 1: 12 teams Tier 2: 12 teams Tier 3: 8 teams Each tier has a double round-robin group stage followed by a knockout round. Tier 3 could be a triple round-robin or have cross group games to increase the number of games. Another option is to invite the British teams over and have three tiers of 12. Tiers 1 and 2 have a minimum of 10 games and a maximum of 13 games. Tier 3 has a minimum of 6 games and a maximum of 8. The advantages of this format are that it can played during the spring/summer and leave a lot more time for clubs. It also gives every county something to play for. The provincials could be played before or alongside the championship. The GAA could also explore other types of pre-season competitions." Addition to my previous comment. We could bring back the Railway Cup as well. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 01/11/2019 21:03:40 2247113 Link
Replying To Hawkeye9212: "Speaking of scrapping the League. We could have a three tier championship like the club championships. Tier 1: 12 teams Tier 2: 12 teams Tier 3: 8 teams Each tier has a double round-robin group stage followed by a knockout round. Tier 3 could be a triple round-robin or have cross group games to increase the number of games. Another option is to invite the British teams over and have three tiers of 12. Tiers 1 and 2 have a minimum of 10 games and a maximum of 13 games. Tier 3 has a minimum of 6 games and a maximum of 8. The advantages of this format are that it can played during the spring/summer and leave a lot more time for clubs. It also gives every county something to play for. The provincials could be played before or alongside the championship. The GAA could also explore other types of pre-season competitions." Redrawing the season and coming up with something that works for now would give a lot of flexibility as to what can be done. I loved the Ulster championship when I was younger. I'd some great days in Casement watching Antrim play despite them only rarely winning. The games have moved on though. It really is hard to see how Antrim are really struggling to get their best players interested in committing to the county game. A handful of games in the summer just isn't enough to justify the levels of preparation expected nowadays. I very much prefer 2 tiers though. Teams are only ever 1 year from earning a spot in the top tier and an opportunity to mix it with the top teams. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4219 - 02/11/2019 14:09:37 2247228 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Redrawing the season and coming up with something that works for now would give a lot of flexibility as to what can be done. I loved the Ulster championship when I was younger. I'd some great days in Casement watching Antrim play despite them only rarely winning. The games have moved on though. It really is hard to see how Antrim are really struggling to get their best players interested in committing to the county game. A handful of games in the summer just isn't enough to justify the levels of preparation expected nowadays. I very much prefer 2 tiers though. Teams are only ever 1 year from earning a spot in the top tier and an opportunity to mix it with the top teams." Three tiers allows us to bring in some of the British plus Kilkenny. I think every county would benefit from playing 10 games throughout the spring/summer. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 02/11/2019 16:37:00 2247239 Link