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bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1845 - 04/03/2020 10:37:14    2272130

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Replying To gilly1910:  "Absolute joke building a stadium this size, why oh why do the GAA always insist on building stadiums that are far too big, and that rarely if ever get filled. As a few people on here have stated, build a a 10k stadium, and that will be more than sufficient for its purpose."
Why is it a joke?

Do we only build stadia if theyre packed to the rafters every week, is that the guide?

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1845 - 04/03/2020 10:40:17    2272132

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Replying To KeshGFC:  "
Replying To Offside_Rule:  "that location in Belfast can't safely take a larger crowd anyway.. 

I'll just leave this here for you:


A panel of experts has unanimously backed spectator safety procedures in the redevelopment plan for Casement Park.

The endorsement from the group comprising all the main emergency services comes more than three years after the former chair of the same body triggered a Stormont inquiry when he revealed his concerns about the ill-fated first design for the west Belfast venue.

The Safety Technical Group (STG), which was set up to scrutinise plans to redevelop stadia in Northern Ireland, has verified steps taken by the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) to ensure the proposed 34,000-plus capacity stadium could be evacuated safely, with emergency vehicles able to get appropriate access.
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after the last safety group was run, yeah absolute faith in THAT process and THAT body ....and I even kept a straight face typin that"
All the safety aspects have been addressed and it will go ahead despite DFI officials dragging their heels.

Planning service have one officer apparently working on the project, the application was submitted prior to the Belfast Transport Hub....work has since started on the Transport Hub

There are political games being played here, in the main by unionist politicians who don't want it go ahead.

The discussion about Queens University being a supposed cold house for unionists partly because nationalist students wear GAA tops illustrates their 'concern' for the wellbeing of those attending games there.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1845 - 04/03/2020 10:50:04    2272137

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Replying To KeshGFC:  "
Replying To Offside_Rule:  "that location in Belfast can't safely take a larger crowd anyway.. 

I'll just leave this here for you:


A panel of experts has unanimously backed spectator safety procedures in the redevelopment plan for Casement Park.

The endorsement from the group comprising all the main emergency services comes more than three years after the former chair of the same body triggered a Stormont inquiry when he revealed his concerns about the ill-fated first design for the west Belfast venue.

The Safety Technical Group (STG), which was set up to scrutinise plans to redevelop stadia in Northern Ireland, has verified steps taken by the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) to ensure the proposed 34,000-plus capacity stadium could be evacuated safely, with emergency vehicles able to get appropriate access.
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after the last safety group was run, yeah absolute faith in THAT process and THAT body ....and I even kept a straight face typin that"
Right well since you seem to be quite ignorant on a lot of what has gone on to date let me give you a brief overview.

Safety report compiled back in 2015 - raised number of issues
Issues raised proved to be unfounded when checked by Independent safety experts
Issue of report gets raised in Stormont due to claims made in it
Original writer of report disappears, review gets carried out again with minimal changes to original plan and suddenly everything is OK


If you have been following the debate on here you would know that back in 2015 when the report was published I said that the claims made were not correct. That was way before it was raised in Stormont etc and I knew because I be speaking to one of the top men in one of the agencies that were involved - and it isn't someone connected on the Antrim/GAA side of the house. What you were seeing with the original report was, lets just say political. But you continue on with your agenda and believe that the original report is the one that we should have faith in and ignore the safety experts and emergency services.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3980 - 04/03/2020 12:12:04    2272157

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Replying To bumpernut:  "
Replying To KeshGFC:  "[quote=Offside_Rule:  "that location in Belfast can't safely take a larger crowd anyway.. 

I'll just leave this here for you:


A panel of experts has unanimously backed spectator safety procedures in the redevelopment plan for Casement Park.

The endorsement from the group comprising all the main emergency services comes more than three years after the former chair of the same body triggered a Stormont inquiry when he revealed his concerns about the ill-fated first design for the west Belfast venue.

The Safety Technical Group (STG), which was set up to scrutinise plans to redevelop stadia in Northern Ireland, has verified steps taken by the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) to ensure the proposed 34,000-plus capacity stadium could be evacuated safely, with emergency vehicles able to get appropriate access.
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after the last safety group was run, yeah absolute faith in THAT process and THAT body ....and I even kept a straight face typin that"
All the safety aspects have been addressed and it will go ahead despite DFI officials dragging their heels.

Planning service have one officer apparently working on the project, the application was submitted prior to the Belfast Transport Hub....work has since started on the Transport Hub

There are political games being played here, in the main by unionist politicians who don't want it go ahead.

The discussion about Queens University being a supposed cold house for unionists partly because nationalist students wear GAA tops illustrates their 'concern' for the wellbeing of those attending games there."]FOMO .. others have their big shiny stadiums.. we should have ours too ??? Is that the thinking ?? Needed or not let's have a big shiny stadium ??? Sounds about the height of it ... how often does a 30k plus crowd attend ANY GAA event in ulster ?? Yet we need a second stadium in the Far East of the province .. a big white elephant that will only ever fill if Clones is demoted and left to slowly run down

Look build what u need for Antrim Gaels .. get the heart / the headquarters of your games back .. at a scale that is appropriate.. something like Portlaoise would be perfect scale..... the proposed scale makes no sense ...

KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 229 - 04/03/2020 12:48:47    2272165

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Replying To gilly1910:  "Absolute joke building a stadium this size, why oh why do the GAA always insist on building stadiums that are far too big, and that rarely if ever get filled. As a few people on here have stated, build a a 10k stadium, and that will be more than sufficient for its purpose."
What is the point in building a stadium that can only hold 10k?

A 10k stadium in Belfast is good for no one. It wont be full for Antrim games and it wont be big enough to hold Ulster finals, that would just defeat the purpose of building a flagship stadium in Ulster.

This area of Belfast badly needs a lift and this stadium could kickstart a massive up turn for the area and the fortune of Antrim GAA. I hope to see it built as soon as possible.

TakeyourPoint. (Tyrone) - Posts: 124 - 04/03/2020 13:48:54    2272182

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2 questions for people here who know alot more than me about Ulster GAA.

Even taking in the sectarian divide in Antrim why are attendances so low that people on here think 10k would be enough for such a big county ? Is it about lack of success ?

What is the current state of Clones for use as Ulster's flagship stadium ? I've never been but it looks pretty shabby on TV and pictures

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 970 - 04/03/2020 18:17:26    2272235

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Replying To TakeyourPoint.:  "What is the point in building a stadium that can only hold 10k?

A 10k stadium in Belfast is good for no one. It wont be full for Antrim games and it wont be big enough to hold Ulster finals, that would just defeat the purpose of building a flagship stadium in Ulster.

This area of Belfast badly needs a lift and this stadium could kickstart a massive up turn for the area and the fortune of Antrim GAA. I hope to see it built as soon as possible."
we have a flagship stadium that we've let run down and failed to upgrade while we play politics and look over the wall jealously in Belfast
why do we need 2 and especially place 1 in a county that will never fill the stadium themselves, well not for the forseeable future

KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 229 - 05/03/2020 09:56:01    2272300

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Replying To Breezy:  "2 questions for people here who know alot more than me about Ulster GAA.

Even taking in the sectarian divide in Antrim why are attendances so low that people on here think 10k would be enough for such a big county ? Is it about lack of success ?

What is the current state of Clones for use as Ulster's flagship stadium ? I've never been but it looks pretty shabby on TV and pictures"
Yes breezy, it is due to a mixture of a lack of success and under investment - up until recently the 6 counties was a unionist dominated statelet and they never invested in anything remotely Irish (indeed the british army occupied and destroyed casement park at one stage). I honestly now believe that if the stadium was built and money was injected into grassroots especially in Hurling that success would come for Antrim as they have the playing numbers and supporters, big games in Casement would attract big attendances. I love Clones but it is getting very rundown, the atmosphere and history around Clones was special but perhaps it is time to move on to Casement.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 1931 - 05/03/2020 10:46:22    2272308

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Could someone from Ulster explain what are the objections/ problems to redeveloping Casement Park, as a GAA grounds in Belfast?. I saw that locals are objecting to the project, on what basis?.
Casement Park was used for years without any problems, but it probably needs upgrading.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1215 - 05/03/2020 10:48:58    2272309

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All this stop start carry on and bull is surely to do with where it is located on the island.
Nothing ever seems to go smoothly and there's always a ban or an objection to anything and everything.
It would be great to see a proper modern stadium completed and hosting games but by jaysus you wouldn't be encouraged with how it's progressed so far.
Absolutely crackpot stuff.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1492 - 05/03/2020 12:11:39    2272323

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Replying To KeshGFC:  "we have a flagship stadium that we've let run down and failed to upgrade while we play politics and look over the wall jealously in Belfast
why do we need 2 and especially place 1 in a county that will never fill the stadium themselves, well not for the forseeable future"
How is it look over the wall jealousy? There was an agreement, which involved all parties in Stormont to upgrade Ravenhill, Windsor and Casement at the same time. Its not a case of we want, what they got. All three stadiums needed to be upgraded badly.

There are very few counties in Ireland that could fill a large stadium by themselves, Dublin are probably the only ones. Monaghan wouldnt have a hope in hell of filling Clones by themselves. I love going to games in Clones but love Belfast also, its a growing City and a proper GAA stadium in it will go a long way for the community there.

TakeyourPoint. (Tyrone) - Posts: 124 - 05/03/2020 15:33:24    2272365

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Could someone from Ulster explain what are the objections/ problems to redeveloping Casement Park, as a GAA grounds in Belfast?. I saw that locals are objecting to the project, on what basis?.
Casement Park was used for years without any problems, but it probably needs upgrading."
The problem was not redeveloping Casement Park for Antrim GAA, the issues occurred when attempting to make Casement Park the Provincial Stadium for Ulster GAA, simply because them Rugby and Soccer Unionist ones have Stadiums in Belfast, so we should too!!!! The site isn't suitable for a Stadium of that size, thus residents complaints.

The GAA and Sinn Fein want it badly, as they both will claim afterwards that its something massive they did or achieved for Belfast for Antrim and Ulster GAA.

Yet not once have any of these self serving idiots stopped and thought about what the primary purpose of this Provincial Stadium is, to serve all 9 Counties of Ulster at all grades and codes.
Simply look at a map of 9 Counties of Ulster, mark the location of Clones and then mark the location of Casement, essentially they plan to replace one logistical nightmare with another overpriced logistical nightmare.

This whole thing sparked to life after the British Government backed Ireland's Rugby World Cup bid, when that failed, the British money dried up, now the GAA are looking for public money again.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3005 - 05/03/2020 16:06:50    2272371

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can anyone explain why matched suddenly stopped in casement by the way. Why didnt Antrim continue with what they had until a new plan was agreed. Why mothball the place when nothing was certain.
Also I know it takes TWO teams of supporters to fill a stadium and I cant see any league clashes that Antrim have in the near future doing that how many were at antrim v limerick last weekend?
The bird in the hand in Clones, lets develop it, not having floodlights there is nuts, hawkeye is not installed there either as we wait on the casement fairytale. it wouldnt take too much to bring Clones with its ample side roads and fields for parking, to be brought up to 21st century standards
I look forward to get back to casement soon, in the shiny new 10,000 seater with some terracing on 2 or even 3 sides !

KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 229 - 05/03/2020 17:19:18    2272381

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