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Does anyone have reservations about the use of Hawkeye to determine whether a ball has been caught over the bar? Hawkeye simulates the flight of the ball and the graphics shown for yesterday's 'point' and in the Tipp/Wexford match highlight that if the ball had continued unimpeded it would have been a point, but how can it determine that the entire ball (now in Hogan's hand) had crossed over the bar....if it is using camera angles and triangulation, I have yet to see a photo with ball and hand clearly over the bar. Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 42 - 19/08/2019 17:06:10 2227591 Link 2 |
Listening to Hogan last night , you would question it. HurlerOnTheFenc (Mayo) - Posts: 282 - 19/08/2019 17:18:33 2227598 Link 0 |
There is something wrong with the way it is used. A ref should use it if he has a concern, never mind who is shouting in his ear. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 19/08/2019 17:24:03 2227603 Link 0 |
Hawkeye was brought in to be called on by the red when he or his officials were in doubt about a score. Now the machine (or in fact the private company staff employed to operate it) are changing the ref's mind for him. I do not like this. Hawkeye should only come into play if the ref requests it.
martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 499 - 19/08/2019 17:24:35 2227605 Link 0 |
Yes, there did seem to be a definite discrepancy between the tv replays and the Hawkeye simulation. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 19/08/2019 17:27:27 2227606 Link 0 |
He'd've needed arms like a gorilla for that to be a point. No way could the sliothar been over the line. lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 19/08/2019 17:29:19 2227608 Link 0 |
I have grave reservations about yesterday's call. Going by the red part of the graphic Hogan's hand would have to have 'bent backwards' by in excess of 90 degrees over the crossbar to catch it....an impossibility. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1063 - 19/08/2019 17:31:25 2227613 Link 0 |
I had always assumed there was also a sensor that would read if the ball went through the sticks but google just mentions cameras Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 19/08/2019 17:33:02 2227616 Link 0 |
Thank God that point had no bareing on the games outcome...but a game will come where this type of a nonsense call will cost a team a match... Are the GAA going to sit by and wait for this disastrous outcome to unfold before them...?? There is no possible way that that was a point in my view....... Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 19/08/2019 17:50:46 2227625 Link 0 |
link It's difficult to find out how the technology works for GAA. But interesting to see what they're doing with the technology in GAA and a lot of other sports. With VAR also becoming popular hopefully we don't end up down the road with technology replacing umpires, linesmen and referees. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 19/08/2019 18:13:51 2227634 Link 4 |
Additionally, even if there is a camera on the dead ball line, I don't know how the camera can conclusively make a decision when the ball is more or less totally hidden in Hogan's hand....and all of these variables have been taken into account, and considered in the 15-20 seconds it took to inform the ref! Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 42 - 19/08/2019 18:23:30 2227641 Link 0 |
Unfortunately the ref did not overrule the incorrect Hawkeye verdict in that game. The official reason for the malfunction was that the equipment was still on football settings from a game the previous day.
Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 19/08/2019 19:33:27 2227655 Link 1 |
The way var works is a joke with constant reviews and call backs then the ref wasting time having to run over to the telly. Best system so far was rugby with the ref having to call for it if he thinks he needs help
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 19/08/2019 19:50:17 2227660 Link 0 |
I support Hawkeye but have serious reservations about its accuracy in these situations where the ball has gone over the bar. The hand must be over the bar. Until i see that will remain unconvinced. Trailing edged proximities or light curtains would be much more accurate for this. Or how about a non sleepy umpire or two who have all the time in the world to line themselves up as the ball is always dropping and at a much slower speed. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 19/08/2019 20:18:30 2227665 Link 0 |
Stevie Wonder is working on the updated version of Hawkeye realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 19/08/2019 20:26:48 2227669 Link 6 |
i have a solution,get 2 lads to stand beside the posts,give them white coats,eureka...... perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 19/08/2019 22:45:13 2227721 Link 0 |
I don't think Donnelly's shot crossed the line. I didn't think Chin's (was it him?) shot crossed the line either in the SF. I suspect the Hawkeye system "kicks in" when it traces the flight path of an incoming ball before it has crossed the line, and awards the score based on the "expected" flight path. I suspect the Hawkeye system awarded points to Chin and Donnelly based on the expected flight paths, rather than the actual flight path. They really need to test it out. What if a flock of seagulls fly through the posts in the football final and the ref has to award a point for it? ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 19/08/2019 23:32:02 2227734 Link 0 |
Do not often agree, but I would share your reservations. There was trouble with this from day one, as in the Barry Nash incident of the 'wide', that should have been even referred to Hawkeye.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 20/08/2019 07:27:05 2227752 Link 1 |
The white coats are needed alright, esp at HQrs!
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1803 - 20/08/2019 08:55:27 2227765 Link 0 |
The graphic shown on the screen was very poor but maybe that's just for viewers and the system has other datasets that it uses. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 20/08/2019 09:12:26 2227768 Link 0 |