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Replying To jimbodub: "Not nice.
I rewatched the game last night
A player I've always admired is Colm Boyle
The face he made coming off the pitch yesterday will stay with me as a very distinctive sporting moment in my minds eye.
The effort this man put in and to see his expression, it was hard to watch if I'm honest.
An Absolute warrior that reminded me so much of that famous Dublin half back line in the 90's.. they were lucky to get one, but Eamon Heary missed out and for as long as I live that fact will piss me off.
I'll feel the same about Colm Boyle if that was his last game.
Brolly should have chosen his words better." Can you elaborate bit more about Boyle Jimbo? Just trying to understand better where you're coming from although I think I get the gist. I've loved watching Colm Boyle over the years. As you said an absolute warrior for Mayo over the years.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 13/08/2019 05:01:02
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Replying To yew_tree: "I went to school with Colm....a gentleman who gives his all on the field. Love him. He is a man of a highest standing unlike mr.brolly" If I were to show clips of both players to a young lad starting out I'd tell them to be like Colm Boyle on the field and not Blow Kisses Brolly.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 13/08/2019 05:08:28
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Replying To centerfield: "There's an answer to this if there going to be personalised attacks on players and managers that cross the line you say fine we're not going to do interviews pre match,post match, man of the match.no f******g communication whatsoever from our county with your organisation going forward." Exactly. That's why I'm glad Tyrone don't speak to them even if it is for a different reason.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 13/08/2019 05:11:36
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Replying To BliainanÁir: "He does spout rubbish but the clearout with Lyster? I think you don't know his age! He was 24 in 1993 so just 50. Not mid 60s. Clear out for bad punditry altight." According to Wikipedia, Michael Lyster was born in 1954.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lyster
IMO Lyster did a good job in counterbalancing some of Joe Umbrella's more barbed on-air attacks over the years, particularly the one on Sean Cavanagh.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/08/2019 06:45:46
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Replying To seanie_boy: "Can you elaborate bit more about Boyle Jimbo? Just trying to understand better where you're coming from although I think I get the gist. I've loved watching Colm Boyle over the years. As you said an absolute warrior for Mayo over the years." Howya Seanie
Regarding Colm Boyle
He always made me think of the Dublin men that made up the 90's Dublin half back line. Skillful, tough, dedicated and willing to put their head where another wouldn't put their foot. Probably my favorite Dublin line of all time, they were hero's of mine when I was in my mid-late teens, like in Mayo's case they made up a shortfall of out and out quality forwards, one particular player Eamon Heary was a fan favorite, and unfortunately after grinding at the wheel for years he missed out on 1995. It was a sour point about that victory for me, he came back in under Whelan but the team was done at that stage and would be for the next 16 years!
Seeing Colm Boyle's face coming off the pitch reminded me of that. The face of a man that gave his all but will more than likely miss out and you could see what may have been going through his mind. Is this the last time I walk off this pitch etc. He's a player I admire and have enjoy watching so it wasn't nice to see.
I think in life we can all relate to such circumstances in our own way.
That's why the timing of J Brolly's article was in poor taste. Kicking them when they are down sort of stuff.
They deserve better IMO
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 13/08/2019 09:47:52
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To question the 'manliness" of a team like Mayo is so wrong.
Surely manliness is not something measured by success or victory.
Surely manliness is about commitment, courage and resilience. I'm not saying these are exclusively male qualities but Brolly makes it seem like failure to succeed is some kind of moral failing. I think that is reprehensible.
I've had my differences with Mayo folk here but one thing that team never lacked was moral courage.
They were an exemplary group; probably the best ever not to win an All-Ireland. They contributed to the greatest sporting spectacles played out in Ireland over the past decade. If it weren't for o.gs or a certain player's unfortunate rush of blood they could have a few All-Irelands but it wasn't to be and that is sad for them.
They brought out the best in the Dubs and in their own county.Mayo fans are are the greatest supporters in the country.
That spirit never dies. They will be back and they will be successful again.
Shame on Joe Brolly for penning that spiteful and unnecessarily cruel article.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 13/08/2019 10:55:10
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Replying To Gleebo: "According to Wikipedia, Michael Lyster was born in 1954.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lyster
IMO Lyster did a good job in counterbalancing some of Joe Umbrella's more barbed on-air attacks over the years, particularly the one on Sean Cavanagh." I am sure trying to Brolly in was not conducive to Michael Lysters health. Brolly would stress anyone I expect when he is ranting and wont stop on national TV.
I am more bothered when Brolly has plenty of time to consider his view and still goes OTT and attacks the players on a personal level.
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Brolly wears a wig in his normal day job, enough said! Ignore him, the jibes are self serving. The commitment to county is a huge commitment nowadays, so big respect to the players.
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I think Brolly's article is being taken out of context here, possibly because people haven't bothered to read the article, And in fairness, why would you read it? Three minutes you won't get back, and all that malarkey.
I was surprised when I did read it, because the 'good men' reference in the article specifically relates to the squad's issues with managerial teams, in particular Connelly & Holmes. That was the context of the 'manliness' criticism in the article, as opposed to any slur against the Mayo players on field manliness.
Brolly was tending more to question the squad's 'moral manliness' off the field, as opposed to their physical manliness on the field of play. When you've given away your kidneys, you are fully qualified to do this.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3421 - 13/08/2019 15:25:53
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I think Brolly's article is being taken out of context here, possibly because people haven't bothered to read the article, And in fairness, why would you read it? Three minutes you won't get back, and all that malarkey.
I was surprised when I did read it, because the 'good men' reference in the article specifically relates to the squad's issues with managerial teams, in particular Connelly & Holmes. That was the context of the 'manliness' criticism in the article, as opposed to any slur against the Mayo players on field manliness.
Brolly was tending more to question the squad's 'moral manliness' off the field, as opposed to their physical manliness on the field of play. When you've given away your kidneys, you are fully qualified to do this." Thanks for clearing that up for us
wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts: 331 - 13/08/2019 15:42:17
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I think Brolly's article is being taken out of context here, possibly because people haven't bothered to read the article, And in fairness, why would you read it? Three minutes you won't get back, and all that malarkey.
I was surprised when I did read it, because the 'good men' reference in the article specifically relates to the squad's issues with managerial teams, in particular Connelly & Holmes. That was the context of the 'manliness' criticism in the article, as opposed to any slur against the Mayo players on field manliness.
Brolly was tending more to question the squad's 'moral manliness' off the field, as opposed to their physical manliness on the field of play. When you've given away your kidneys, you are fully qualified to do this." I was thinking this all the while reading this thread. And as far as the Mayo squad and managers are concerned, I totally agree with Brolly in that regard. Their ability and willingness to blame managers for their own failings on the pitch is unrivaled in the GAA realm.
Did Brolly go too far, no! i dont think he did at all! He is a sports pundit and if he doesnt speak his mind and be frank about his opinions he will be boring. Does he sensationalise at times, of course, thats part and parcel of the job. Also, it should be highlighted the Brolly did not tar all the Mayo players with the same brush and he mentioned that there were honorable players on the team. However, you can guarantee there will be some of the players calling for Horan's head in the coming weeks. Many of whom will be doing so in an attempt to take the focus away from their own performance on Sunday.
Just to clarify, nobody can say Mayo played particularly bad and no player stood out as having a shocker of a performance. The reality is that they were beaten well by a far superior team. Unlike 2016 and 2017, "bottle" cannot be blamed for Sunday's performance. The simple fact is that Dublin were by far the better team!
faithful4ever (Offaly) - Posts: 209 - 13/08/2019 16:27:53
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I think Brolly's article is being taken out of context here, possibly because people haven't bothered to read the article, And in fairness, why would you read it? Three minutes you won't get back, and all that malarkey.
I was surprised when I did read it, because the 'good men' reference in the article specifically relates to the squad's issues with managerial teams, in particular Connelly & Holmes. That was the context of the 'manliness' criticism in the article, as opposed to any slur against the Mayo players on field manliness.
Brolly was tending more to question the squad's 'moral manliness' off the field, as opposed to their physical manliness on the field of play. When you've given away your kidneys, you are fully qualified to do this." I did bother to read it. In the article, Brolly wrote that "Mayo's surrender was total and abject". That would seem to relate to, as you put it, "their onfield manliness".
There was no surrender. They were simply beaten and that is not a moral failing.
Now, I know he gave a kidney and that is commendable. But even if he donated his heart or his brain you are never qualified to smear someone's character when it is not justified.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 13/08/2019 16:32:17
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I think Brolly's article is being taken out of context here, possibly because people haven't bothered to read the article, And in fairness, why would you read it? Three minutes you won't get back, and all that malarkey.
I was surprised when I did read it, because the 'good men' reference in the article specifically relates to the squad's issues with managerial teams, in particular Connelly & Holmes. That was the context of the 'manliness' criticism in the article, as opposed to any slur against the Mayo players on field manliness.
Brolly was tending more to question the squad's 'moral manliness' off the field, as opposed to their physical manliness on the field of play. When you've given away your kidneys, you are fully qualified to do this." link
'They will, however, find the excuses to absolve themselves from blame: We were late getting to the changing room because Mass ran on too long (this was one of the excuses they wrote down for getting rid of Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly). There wasn't enough spring water on the bus and the bananas were a little off. I wasn't allowed to do a TV ad. Rochford wouldn't pick my clubmate. The problem with them is, and always has been, that the culture in the group - with some honourable exceptions - is wrong. They have celebrated mediocrity and many of them have put themselves before the group and the good of the county. It is a pity, because they had enough good players to win an All-Ireland. Just not enough good men'.
What does any of this raving got to do with Dublin being much better than us on Sunday? No players got rid of Holmes and Connelly Joe, they quit. Joe should get his facts right, he'd be accountable in court for such easy talk. Joe seems to have his own interpretation of manliness and wants the world to agree with him.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 13/08/2019 16:56:26
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Replying To BliainanÁir: "He does spout rubbish but the clearout with Lyster? I think you don't know his age! He was 24 in 1993 so just 50. Not mid 60s. Clear out for bad punditry altight." I know his age, it just would have been a good opportunity to get rid of him (& Pat Spillane) at that time that Lyster was retiring
Bosco98 (Galway) - Posts: 127 - 13/08/2019 17:41:24
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Replying To GreenandRed: " link'They will, however, find the excuses to absolve themselves from blame: We were late getting to the changing room because Mass ran on too long (this was one of the excuses they wrote down for getting rid of Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly). There wasn't enough spring water on the bus and the bananas were a little off. I wasn't allowed to do a TV ad. Rochford wouldn't pick my clubmate. The problem with them is, and always has been, that the culture in the group - with some honourable exceptions - is wrong. They have celebrated mediocrity and many of them have put themselves before the group and the good of the county. It is a pity, because they had enough good players to win an All-Ireland. Just not enough good men'. What does any of this raving got to do with Dublin being much better than us on Sunday? No players got rid of Holmes and Connelly Joe, they quit. Joe should get his facts right, he'd be accountable in court for such easy talk. Joe seems to have his own interpretation of manliness and wants the world to agree with him."
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 13/08/2019 17:53:45
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Replying To faithful4ever: "I was thinking this all the while reading this thread. And as far as the Mayo squad and managers are concerned, I totally agree with Brolly in that regard. Their ability and willingness to blame managers for their own failings on the pitch is unrivaled in the GAA realm.
Did Brolly go too far, no! i dont think he did at all! He is a sports pundit and if he doesnt speak his mind and be frank about his opinions he will be boring. Does he sensationalise at times, of course, thats part and parcel of the job. Also, it should be highlighted the Brolly did not tar all the Mayo players with the same brush and he mentioned that there were honorable players on the team. However, you can guarantee there will be some of the players calling for Horan's head in the coming weeks. Many of whom will be doing so in an attempt to take the focus away from their own performance on Sunday.
Just to clarify, nobody can say Mayo played particularly bad and no player stood out as having a shocker of a performance. The reality is that they were beaten well by a far superior team. Unlike 2016 and 2017, "bottle" cannot be blamed for Sunday's performance. The simple fact is that Dublin were by far the better team!" Totally disagree, Brolly went too far. Mayo are not the first (nor will they be the last) team to agitate for managerial change - Galway & Cork hurlers come to mind, the only difference is that Mayo never won that All-Ireland - if they had, it would never have been mentioned again.
And for the record, Brolly was a fancy-dan kiss-blowing joke on possibly the worst team ever to win an all-ireland, I remember watching their magnificent 0-8 to 0-6 victory over Donegal in the ulster final, and he has the cheek to go on about bad football !!
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Replying To yew_tree: "I went to school with Colm....a gentleman who gives his all on the field. Love him. He is a man of a highest standing unlike mr.brolly" Considerations to yourself yew and the other decent Mayo lads on here.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 13/08/2019 18:14:25
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Replying To GreenandRed: " link'They will, however, find the excuses to absolve themselves from blame: We were late getting to the changing room because Mass ran on too long (this was one of the excuses they wrote down for getting rid of Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly). There wasn't enough spring water on the bus and the bananas were a little off. I wasn't allowed to do a TV ad. Rochford wouldn't pick my clubmate. The problem with them is, and always has been, that the culture in the group - with some honourable exceptions - is wrong. They have celebrated mediocrity and many of them have put themselves before the group and the good of the county. It is a pity, because they had enough good players to win an All-Ireland. Just not enough good men'. What does any of this raving got to do with Dublin being much better than us on Sunday? No players got rid of Holmes and Connelly Joe, they quit. Joe should get his facts right, he'd be accountable in court for such easy talk. Joe seems to have his own interpretation of manliness and wants the world to agree with him."
It's absolutely odious tripe designed to self promote and sell papers and nothing more. The only real pity is, in the process of self-promotion, they píss all over ordinary Gaa people who deserve better.
Cut the dead weight ladies and gentlemen, if you nothing people like Brolly, they will eventually go away.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 13/08/2019 18:29:49
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Replying To faithful4ever: "I was thinking this all the while reading this thread. And as far as the Mayo squad and managers are concerned, I totally agree with Brolly in that regard. Their ability and willingness to blame managers for their own failings on the pitch is unrivaled in the GAA realm.
Did Brolly go too far, no! i dont think he did at all! He is a sports pundit and if he doesnt speak his mind and be frank about his opinions he will be boring. Does he sensationalise at times, of course, thats part and parcel of the job. Also, it should be highlighted the Brolly did not tar all the Mayo players with the same brush and he mentioned that there were honorable players on the team. However, you can guarantee there will be some of the players calling for Horan's head in the coming weeks. Many of whom will be doing so in an attempt to take the focus away from their own performance on Sunday.
Just to clarify, nobody can say Mayo played particularly bad and no player stood out as having a shocker of a performance. The reality is that they were beaten well by a far superior team. Unlike 2016 and 2017, "bottle" cannot be blamed for Sunday's performance. The simple fact is that Dublin were by far the better team!" Totally disagree, Brolly is a sports pundit (not a very good one - his assertion that the Dublin team only "switched on" in the 62nd minute of the 2017 all-ireland is ridiculous), not a moral arbiter - he went too far in a personalised attacked that is unfortunately typical of independent newspapers.
Mayo are not the first team (and won't be the last) to agitate for managerial change - Galway hurlers are the most recent example, the difference there is that they won the all-ireland that protected/insulated them from this type of abuse
I can guarantee that none of these Mayo players will be calling for Horan's head, although I'd have some serious questions over his (lack of a) kick-out strategy, as Rochford had got a quite decent one in place for 2017
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I think Brolly's article is being taken out of context here, possibly because people haven't bothered to read the article, And in fairness, why would you read it? Three minutes you won't get back, and all that malarkey.
I was surprised when I did read it, because the 'good men' reference in the article specifically relates to the squad's issues with managerial teams, in particular Connelly & Holmes. That was the context of the 'manliness' criticism in the article, as opposed to any slur against the Mayo players on field manliness.
Brolly was tending more to question the squad's 'moral manliness' off the field, as opposed to their physical manliness on the field of play. When you've given away your kidneys, you are fully qualified to do this." Couldn't give a s***e about him and his kidney TBH
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