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I think the referee deserves a thread of his own. The best of luck to the Wexford man who has been given an unenviable task and took it on. Requires the speed of a gazelle to catch up when the ball is driven a hundred yards from him. Eyes in the back of his head to watch flaking behind the play. Slow motion eye sight to determine if the ball was thrown and many other attributes.
My wish is we will all have nice things to same about him at the final whistle. Please wish him well.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 07/08/2019 00:33:23    2221991

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Yes, good luck to him.

I'm sure if he makes little decisions and "lets the game flow" he'll be fine.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 07/08/2019 10:21:18    2222074

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Replying To Ban:  "Yes, good luck to him.

I'm sure if he makes little decisions and "lets the game flow" he'll be fine."
Good luck to him. If he gets proper help from and works with his fellow officials he will do fine. Any referee even working well with his fellow officials will make mistakes, but glaring ones should not occur.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 07/08/2019 11:17:04    2222108

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Doesn't matter who ithe ref is the losing team,supporters even if hammered will point out times in the game "if only he got that right " and throw their loss as usual on the volunteer ref ........

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 07/08/2019 11:19:08    2222109

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Easiest job in the world.

Just remember to never ever blow your whistle unless someone gets their head decapitated and never issue a card.

Essentially he throws the ball in at the start of each half and gets a shiny medal at the end of it.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/08/2019 11:47:00    2222119

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Good luck indeed, he will be blamed regardless for costing a team the All-Ireland and no doubt will be riding KK and the boo boys will be out in force as usual!

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 07/08/2019 15:38:32    2222225

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Jaysus can you imagine the whinging of a few of the posters on here if it was a Leinster ref and a Leinster team in the final.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 07/08/2019 16:21:34    2222260

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Can they not give it to a neutral ref Alan Kelly from Galway!!

Only messing hope he has a good game best of luck to him.

Tipp v KK finals have had some incidents in 09 and 14 finals to note. Hopefully hurling will be the winner again come 5pm on the Sunday or 7pm on the Saturday for the replay!!!

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 07/08/2019 16:52:07    2222276

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Replying To catch22:  "Jaysus can you imagine the whinging of a few of the posters on here if it was a Leinster ref and a Leinster team in the final."
Well a so called Munster ref who reffed several finals was actually a Leinster man.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 07/08/2019 18:39:37    2222323

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Replying To catch22:  "Jaysus can you imagine the whinging of a few of the posters on here if it was a Leinster ref and a Leinster team in the final."
is it not a Leinster ref?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 07/08/2019 19:54:00    2222369

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Can they not give it to a neutral ref Alan Kelly from Galway!!

Only messing hope he has a good game best of luck to him.

Tipp v KK finals have had some incidents in 09 and 14 finals to note. Hopefully hurling will be the winner again come 5pm on the Sunday or 7pm on the Saturday for the replay!!!"
Just an idea. Why have umpires, watching a sideline cut been taken, feel it is so essential to be behind the posts to best determine whether the ball has gone over the bar or not. As we have seen on quite a few occasions Hawk eye can be called into action if there is a doubt and will come into action anyway if the umpires make a wrong call, as it did so telling in Waterford/KK, in '16., and last Sunday for Chin's free.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 08/08/2019 08:38:02    2222558

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Replying To perfect10:  "is it not a Leinster ref?"
Yes indeed Perfect10, but don't break it to them just yet- Geography may not have been their strong suit.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 08/08/2019 09:23:32    2222564

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yes indeed Perfect10, but don't break it to them just yet- Geography may not have been their strong suit."
Sure picking a ref from either Connacht or Ulster would be unthinkable!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 08/08/2019 10:01:14    2222579

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Just an idea. Why have umpires, watching a sideline cut been taken, feel it is so essential to be behind the posts to best determine whether the ball has gone over the bar or not. As we have seen on quite a few occasions Hawk eye can be called into action if there is a doubt and will come into action anyway if the umpires make a wrong call, as it did so telling in Waterford/KK, in '16., and last Sunday for Chin's free."
Hey that was my idea. I had this debate with you on a different thread. At least I have convinced you though.

I'm in agreement with you.

KK4Life (Kilkenny) - Posts: 56 - 08/08/2019 11:27:42    2222625

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Good luck indeed, he will be blamed regardless for costing a team the All-Ireland and no doubt will be riding KK and the boo boys will be out in force as usual!"
trotting after your own ,

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 533 - 08/08/2019 13:02:16    2222652

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Just an idea. Why have umpires, watching a sideline cut been taken, feel it is so essential to be behind the posts to best determine whether the ball has gone over the bar or not. As we have seen on quite a few occasions Hawk eye can be called into action if there is a doubt and will come into action anyway if the umpires make a wrong call, as it did so telling in Waterford/KK, in '16., and last Sunday for Chin's free."
Apparently takes 32 seconds for hawk eye to confirm decision.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1908 - 08/08/2019 13:15:28    2222657

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Just an idea. Why have umpires, watching a sideline cut been taken, feel it is so essential to be behind the posts to best determine whether the ball has gone over the bar or not. As we have seen on quite a few occasions Hawk eye can be called into action if there is a doubt and will come into action anyway if the umpires make a wrong call, as it did so telling in Waterford/KK, in '16., and last Sunday for Chin's free."
I get your point when games are in grounds that have Hawkeye (CP, PUC, Thurles) but if these umpires were to get "lazy" and not be alert to move behind the goal to get the call right in a ground where Hawkeye is installed, I certainly wouldnt like to see them umpiring in a ground where there is no Hawkeye because the bad habits they would develop of relying completely on the technology would likely affect their competency. Besides, there is a delay with Hawkeye and it would slow down the game too much if every close call was referred to Hawkeye so if the umpires can call it right without needing to resort to the technology it is all the better. Otherwise if umpires are nothing more than mere flag wavers and arm wavers there is not much point in having them at all.......they could just install a traffic light type technology at each goal and the official in the control room could press "white" for a point, "green" for a goal and "red" for a wide or something like that!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 08/08/2019 13:38:10    2222665

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "I get your point when games are in grounds that have Hawkeye (CP, PUC, Thurles) but if these umpires were to get "lazy" and not be alert to move behind the goal to get the call right in a ground where Hawkeye is installed, I certainly wouldnt like to see them umpiring in a ground where there is no Hawkeye because the bad habits they would develop of relying completely on the technology would likely affect their competency. Besides, there is a delay with Hawkeye and it would slow down the game too much if every close call was referred to Hawkeye so if the umpires can call it right without needing to resort to the technology it is all the better. Otherwise if umpires are nothing more than mere flag wavers and arm wavers there is not much point in having them at all.......they could just install a traffic light type technology at each goal and the official in the control room could press "white" for a point, "green" for a goal and "red" for a wide or something like that!"
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They have other duties, like correctly calling 65s and adjudicating on square balls and occasionally helping referees to decide on whether penalties should be awarded or not or indeed drawing their attention to other matters 'that may be of interest'. As regards the 32 second wait for Hawkeye, well that seem not to matter. as I have seen HE called to decide on points that were well inside the uprights and nobody expressed any concern with that . However I remember times HE should have been called into play when it was not in the early days, like for a crucial point effort by Joe Canning in the 15 final.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 08/08/2019 20:05:46    2222796

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There must be other refs that deserve recognition, sure this guy is just across the border from KK in Wexford and he is very subjective, and has enough appearances in finals. This time however I don't care who wins the hurling so he can blow away till the cows come home.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 08/08/2019 21:04:56    2222821

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "There must be other refs that deserve recognition, sure this guy is just across the border from KK in Wexford and he is very subjective, and has enough appearances in finals. This time however I don't care who wins the hurling so he can blow away till the cows come home."
With the rivalry between Wexford and KK there's not much chance he's going to be biased towards KK anyway! Typically that would be on the same level as a Meath fan wanting to see Dublin win in football or a Spurs fan hoping for Arsenal to win a big game!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 08/08/2019 21:32:43    2222830

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