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Kilkenny and Tipp Give Us A Traditional All Ireland Hurling Final

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Replying To festinog:  "It's a shame that the sending off is all there is to talk about after what's supposed to be the showpiece of hurling. Plenty of teams have managed to make a game of it with one man down. Tipp had equalized and were taking control by the time the sending off occurred, and they blew them out of the water in the third quarter when KK legs should still have been fresh and good to go; not to mention that they had the half time break to re-organize. Of course saying Tipp would have won regardless is supposition; but given the scoreline by the end of the third quarter, I think the circumstantial evidence is pretty strong to support it.

Disappointing end to what has been, with a few exceptions, a fairly forgettable championship."
Tipp were better team and would have won regardless of the sending off, is it a forgettable only because Galway has no part in it? Tipp won 7 out of 8 games, best record of any county and won against Wexford with 14 players. Some comments on here are complete drivel.

Jedobi (Wexford) - Posts: 208 - 18/08/2019 23:44:05    2227320

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Seamus Kennedy wasn't in Tipp's match day 26 for the game against Cork. He worked his way back into the 26, then came on as a sub, then got into the team for the semi and today he played a blinder.

Model behaviour to any young player. When things don't go your way, work hard, give it everything.

10/10 for his reaction to being dropped.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 18/08/2019 23:54:34    2227322

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Replying To ballydalane:  "If striking to the head is a red card how come there was none for the blow to Richie Hogan's face which bloodied his nose? Where's the consistency? It would have had to be reckless and/or dangerous to inflict such an injury."
agree with you there.
i also felt barrett made a meal out of it.
but sure,i suppose richie gave him the chance.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 19/08/2019 07:52:09    2227330

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Replying To galwayfball:  "Couldn't agree with this more. Cody saying if it was a clear red why did he have to consult the lineman, ridiculous. It was a red card in an AI final he didn't rush the decision he got someone else's perspective as well as his own. Right decision and I have a lot of sympathy for Hogan as it was a split second decision that he himself will know was foolish.

If your county is playing in the game I dont think you should be allowed be a commentator. They cant be unbiased. That isnt knocking them as I actually like all the hurling panelists but its impossible to be neutral when you know the lads"
plenty of refs would have went with hurlings age old "nobody wants to see someone sent off in an all ireland final,hes not that kind of player" nonsense.
did it not occur to cody that james owens probably had his mind made up but just wanted to check with the linesman in case he thought he was wrong?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 19/08/2019 07:55:23    2227331

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Congrats to the tipp lads. So delighted for the older lads particularly
Never a red card in my opinion but don't think it influenced the result. You can't beat real raw talent ans Tis tipp team mainly in the older brigade have lots of that.

Thought TJ was excellent but for me today defined who our big legends of the game from a tipp point of view...Noel, paudie, seamie and Brendan. Absolute hero's.

Not one of them get the credit they deserve

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 19/08/2019 08:09:26    2227333

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Replying To perfect10:  "agree with you there.
i also felt barrett made a meal out of it.
but sure,i suppose richie gave him the chance."
Fair response.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 19/08/2019 09:09:47    2227346

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Replying To Bon:  "Ah sure officials are only human, Things happen so fast, they're not going to catch every little incident. And that's just the way it goes I suppose."
But Bon, I thought you were such a stickler for the rules no matter what team is involved?

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 19/08/2019 09:13:25    2227347

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Replying To perfect10:  "agree with you there.
i also felt barrett made a meal out of it.
but sure,i suppose richie gave him the chance."
Give your head a wobble. He got a cowardly elbow to the head and you are claiming he made a meal of it??? It was one of the most brain dead actions i have ever seen on a field of play. Anyone questioning the ref for giving a red card hasnt a clue

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1193 - 19/08/2019 09:16:16    2227350

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Most people don't want anyone on the field who is intent on causing injury to players with cheap shots.

It proberly only happens because players think the ref is going to 'let the game flow ' as Cody and others tells them. Feel sorry too for the player sent off as he was most likely encouraged to play aggressively on the basis that the ref would not give out straight red cards but was caught out.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 557 - 19/08/2019 09:51:53    2227375

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Give your head a wobble. He got a cowardly elbow to the head and you are claiming he made a meal of it??? It was one of the most brain dead actions i have ever seen on a field of play. Anyone questioning the ref for giving a red card hasnt a clue"
It's strange the way Barretts head recoiled in a direction at right angles to the impact

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 19/08/2019 10:06:25    2227378

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Replying To Jedobi:  "Tipp were better team and would have won regardless of the sending off, is it a forgettable only because Galway has no part in it? Tipp won 7 out of 8 games, best record of any county and won against Wexford with 14 players. Some comments on here are complete drivel."
I presume you put your house on the outcome of the game then seeing as you can predict the future.
The only drivel is statements such is "Tipp were better team and would have won regardless of the sending off"
in which case why did you watch it? why did KK turn up? Why did 82,500 people pay 90 Euro to watch a predetermined outcome. Now you see your drivel.

Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 155 - 19/08/2019 10:08:15    2227381

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Not really sure what all the debate is about regarding the red card. Whether meant or not he raised the elbow and caught the player on the head/face and that is a red card:

Category III Infractions
5.16 To strike or to attempt to strike an opponent with arm, elbow, hand or knee.

PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 19/08/2019 10:08:30    2227383

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I think after the last two years of emotional finals where long famines were ended in games with no more than a score between the teams that yesterday always had the potential to be a little underwhelming. It was a very flat atmosphere in Croke Park. There were times in the second half where it felt akin to a league/challenge match with players getting the ball and literally having the time to stand still and pick a pass. I think another generally positive year ended on a damp squib.
Congratulations to Tipp and I very much hope we meet the champions in Croke Park next year!

Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 155 - 19/08/2019 10:24:31    2227385

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Replying To perfect10:  "plenty of refs would have went with hurlings age old "nobody wants to see someone sent off in an all ireland final,hes not that kind of player" nonsense.
did it not occur to cody that james owens probably had his mind made up but just wanted to check with the linesman in case he thought he was wrong?"
I have often been critical of refs but thought Owens had a good game yesterday, yes he let a lot of pulling and dragging go but he was trying to let the game flow ......that type of tackling is now the norm when KK are involved in a game and others respond to it hence it evens itself not out.

Thought he got the red card spot on, very unfortunate for Richie and no one likes to see a man off in the all Ireland but he clearly hit Cathal Barrett in the head with an elbow ......under rule that is a red, Owens did what he is meant to do and enforced the rule

As for the earlier Barrett incident I thought Barrett was going for the ball but got the tackle wrong, hence should have been a yellow card....don't think there was the intent in the strike to make it a red......looked a genuine attempt to play the ball that was mistimed

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 19/08/2019 10:26:45    2227387

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Not really sure what all the debate is about regarding the red card. Whether meant or not he raised the elbow and caught the player on the head/face and that is a red card:

Category III Infractions
5.16 To strike or to attempt to strike an opponent with arm, elbow, hand or knee.

PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off"
But But But Barrett made a meal of it........

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1193 - 19/08/2019 10:44:52    2227396

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "But But But Barrett made a meal of it........"
lol

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 19/08/2019 10:59:10    2227403

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "I have often been critical of refs but thought Owens had a good game yesterday, yes he let a lot of pulling and dragging go but he was trying to let the game flow ......that type of tackling is now the norm when KK are involved in a game and others respond to it hence it evens itself not out.

Thought he got the red card spot on, very unfortunate for Richie and no one likes to see a man off in the all Ireland but he clearly hit Cathal Barrett in the head with an elbow ......under rule that is a red, Owens did what he is meant to do and enforced the rule

As for the earlier Barrett incident I thought Barrett was going for the ball but got the tackle wrong, hence should have been a yellow card....don't think there was the intent in the strike to make it a red......looked a genuine attempt to play the ball that was mistimed"
I don't think there is a debate about Richie Hogan's red card. He was stupid. But seeing as people are quoting rules, one of the red card offences under section 5 of the Rulebook ("Aggressive Fouls") is 5.9 "To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent."

Now, I would contend that swinging head high from behind across an opponent's face, inflicting a bloodied nose (don't know if broken yet) through that opponent's faceguard, falls under rule 5.9.

Barrett didn't even get a yellow card, which to my mind means that James Owens wilfully ignored this rule (actually, even a yellow card would have been ignoring it, as the stated penalty is to order the offender off).

So we know refs pick and choose the rules they want to implement and the rules they want to ignore, including yesterday.

There's nothing in the rulebook to distinguish "accidentally" or "deliberately" striking an opponent.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 19/08/2019 11:13:40    2227409

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Is it a criminal offence I wonder, if the referee isn't sure!!

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3927 - 19/08/2019 11:29:01    2227413

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "I have often been critical of refs but thought Owens had a good game yesterday, yes he let a lot of pulling and dragging go but he was trying to let the game flow ......that type of tackling is now the norm when KK are involved in a game and others respond to it hence it evens itself not out.

Thought he got the red card spot on, very unfortunate for Richie and no one likes to see a man off in the all Ireland but he clearly hit Cathal Barrett in the head with an elbow ......under rule that is a red, Owens did what he is meant to do and enforced the rule

As for the earlier Barrett incident I thought Barrett was going for the ball but got the tackle wrong, hence should have been a yellow card....don't think there was the intent in the strike to make it a red......looked a genuine attempt to play the ball that was mistimed"
No intent in the strike to make it red? Are you talking about the card, or Ritchie's nose!!!

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3927 - 19/08/2019 11:33:41    2227414

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Not really sure what all the debate is about regarding the red card. Whether meant or not he raised the elbow and caught the player on the head/face and that is a red card:

Category III Infractions
5.16 To strike or to attempt to strike an opponent with arm, elbow, hand or knee.

PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off"
I think the problem is consistency though. Should Barrett have been on the pitch at that stage? Whats in, whats out. Does it depend on which way the wind is blowing? Its frustrating!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 19/08/2019 11:55:41    2227425

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