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Limerick V Kilkenny

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What part of Limerick was the Ref from ?

He was atrocious, it seemed as if he was willing Limerick to make a game of it when they were being beaten out the gate by a clinical KK team. The penalty was a joke, in real-time or in slow-motion. The KK backs hurley was being held by the Limerick forward at the start of the move, the KK player did put his left hand on the Limerick players back but there were so many other plays that this ref let play on that it was obvious that he wanted to give Limerick a chance to get back into the game. He was very in-consistent. I liked the way he let them hurl their way out of most of the "huddles" but then on too many occasions he blew against KK when there was no obvious infraction. The Ref's job is not to enhance the game as a spectacle, i.e. make it close at the end. His job is to enforce the rules, equally and consistently. Its so obvious that the GAA wants ref's at these games to influence the outcome of the game so that they end up being closer than they really should be. KK were playing 16 men for 70 minutes which is a disgrace. I'm so glad that the best team ended up winning, it would have been a travesty if they had been denied by someone who didn't carry a hurl on the field of play.

Hoofhearted (Australia) - Posts: 49 - 28/07/2019 00:35:17    2217358

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Don't understand the uproar over the sideline. The penalty was clearly struck inside the 21 which should of resulted in a free out. Although I fancied Limerick it's very blinkered to define a whole game by one decision. As some other poster said, frees are subjective however how was the penalty missed also. Limerick would still have to convert the 65, Kilkenny would have been an extra 3 points ahead on the penalty.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 28/07/2019 00:48:56    2217362

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The Limerick sideline went out of play past the allotted 5 minutes injury time, so regardless of whether it was a wide or a 65, by rights Limerick wouldn't have had time to take the 65 anyway.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 28/07/2019 01:52:46    2217373

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Replying To Canuck:  "No you are wrong. Free calls can be subjective. There is nothing subjective about who touched the ball last in this incident. Neither does it matter who the best team were during the match. If I had a fiver for every time we were the better team but lost I would be wealthy. This was not KIlkenny's fault who went out to win the game and did so. However wrong calls is not the way to decide games. Especially when there are ways to avoid them by assisting the officials not to be the goats. Technology is even used in tidily winks now but the GAA has to keep dragging their a-rse and people using all sorts of ridiculous reasons for it."
Absolutely correct re officiating and technology. Well said. I feel most sorry for the amateur players who train like professionals only to be be victimized by half arsed , sloppy buffoons. This is a Croke Park stuffed shirt problem that needs to be addressed on the name of decency.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 28/07/2019 02:01:49    2217376

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Replying To endgame:  "It was still a 65 to Limerick at the death though and I think the point he's making is that an officiating mistake like that should not be happening at All-Ireland semi Final level which is hard to disagree with."
Well said again.. addressing the issue instead of some of the other posters drawing red herrings across the issue.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 28/07/2019 02:03:25    2217378

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Replying To Breezy:  "If we had taken all the chances we had Limk wouldnt need to worry about that 65 so no complaints here."
Also very true.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 28/07/2019 02:05:57    2217380

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Replying To Bon:  "This has nothing to do with frees that were or were not given, those decisions are open to an officials interpretation.
This is a stone wall black and white decision, ball hits opposition and goes for a 65, simples. And yet its missed by all officials on duty.
Its irrevelant how many wides limerick hit or how many "border line" frees they got. The bottom line is they were denied a chance to level the game with which would have been one of the last pucks in an All-Ireland Semi Final which would have went to extra time. Its absolutely shambolic that a team essentially is denied that chance by Mickey mouse sub standard officiating.
Kilkenny deserved to win hands down but limerick should have gotten that decision whether they were one point down or twenty points. Its non debatable.
Shame on Croke Park and their officials."
Well articulated, thank you!

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 28/07/2019 02:10:27    2217382

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Replying To heartbroken:  "As a passion Galway supporter my dislike for KK goes back years. While I was heartbroken that Galway lost last years all Ireland Limerick were deserved winners on the day. What has followed in 2019 where a handful of limerick keyboard supports display notting but arrogance on HS . For that reason I shouted my head of for KK tonight. Notting has changed in my opinion Tipperary will win this year's all Ireland."
You're easily influenced if thats the case. What does it matter what a few anonymous loolahs have to say on an internet forum? We have our own keyboard loolahs too you know who make me cringe here sometimes. That is if they are "ours" of course. Just because someone has chosen "Galway" or "Limerick" or "Clare" etc as their county designation doesnt mean that they are actually from the county they say they're from....they could be taking the p..... And some most probably are!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2009 - 28/07/2019 02:20:59    2217383

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Replying To Bon:  "Finally someone else sees sense.
Its absolutely farcical carry on. People saying and doing nothing about this type of carry on is why things will never change."
Good summation byBon and corkcelt.. officiating and use of technology etc should be addressed at annual Central Council meetiings or GAA cMCongress. This year's event seemed to be a 1/2 hour railroad job which was attended by by few or no delegates and brushed aside with a trip to the chipper. That is why we have imbeciles for umpires and linesman , and refs who cannot keep up with the pace. ( Kilkenny have been capitalizing on this for years)- ..worthy winners today, apart from that. This is happening with increasing frequency and appears to be getting the blind-eye treatment. Please pass the "gravy".

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 28/07/2019 02:32:55    2217385

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "in my opinion young hugh lawlor was man of the match . t j does nothing from play . delighted for the cats and hope wexford win tomorrow to kill the bullshit about munster hurling"
Gillane me limerick in that game single handedly. Lawlor only came into the game in the last 15 mins for which he was excellent but was under savage pressure up to that.
I criticised paul Murphy nut thought he was excellent today as was Adrian Mullen. TJ has a big impact on the game and I wouldn't go as far as disputing he was man of the match but wasn't as clear cut as RTÉ made it out

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/07/2019 03:49:39    2217388

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Funny how no one is attacking Limerick players for hitting those wides.

Some amount of scapegoating going on here.

I have no love of KK, was shouting for Limerick and it was not the ref that lost that game for Limerick.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 28/07/2019 05:35:46    2217392

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Replying To heartbroken:  "As a passion Galway supporter my dislike for KK goes back years. While I was heartbroken that Galway lost last years all Ireland Limerick were deserved winners on the day. What has followed in 2019 where a handful of limerick keyboard supports display notting but arrogance on HS . For that reason I shouted my head of for KK tonight. Notting has changed in my opinion Tipperary will win this year's all Ireland."
Heartbroken. We congratulate Kilkenny on their fine victory and wish them well in the final. What we will not do is
(1) Start saying that we did not hurl in the first 20 minutes. That was all because being KK the good team they are did not let us
(2) Start saying we would have won if Declan Hannon did not have to go off
(3) Start blaming the referee
(4) Start looking for John Kiely's head as a certain Glway poster did for Michael Donoghue's the day after last years final.
(5)Start complaining we were too tired- oh sorry- that the break between Munster Final and yesterday's game was too long.
What we will do is take our beating like men, acknowledge KK were a better team on the day, desist from belittling their achievement, and go back to the drawing board and go again.
As regards your comment about not supporting us, well we could not care less, we have thousands of loyal supporters both inside and outside our county.
BTW What are you heartbroken about? It is only a game and there are winners and losers.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 06:39:27    2217400

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Replying To perfect10:  "as usual,its the referees fault.
in 50 years following gaa it has been a constant rhetoric.
limerick lost today because they couldnt match kilkenny intensity and workrate,and they drove too many wides.they were far more crucial than one borderline call.
if refereeing is so easy,why dont more of you take it up?
i also wondered if aaron gillan was inside the 21 for the penalty?"
There you go in the last contradicting yourself and the ref and his officials. They were nearer to that incident than you were.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 06:42:05    2217401

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Replying To perfect10:  "as usual,its the referees fault.
in 50 years following gaa it has been a constant rhetoric.
limerick lost today because they couldnt match kilkenny intensity and workrate,and they drove too many wides.they were far more crucial than one borderline call.
if refereeing is so easy,why dont more of you take it up?
i also wondered if aaron gillan was inside the 21 for the penalty?"
There you go in the last sentence contradicting yourself and the ref and his officials. They were nearer to that incident than you were.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 06:42:38    2217402

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Probably incorrect on my behalf. To be fair it happened so quick and the contact was extremely minimal. I watched it back on tv and buffs snap chat and it wasn't overly clear so I'd have sympathy for the officials.
Also disgraceful abuse towards the officials on buffs snapchat at the end. Not good enough for adults with so many kids in attendance. I think it's time we take the soccer approach and ban an odd supporter"
Minimal contact does not matter. If it was a sixty five, it was a sixty five. When you consider that this ref and his officials gave a perfectly non existent goal to Tipp in Limerick V Waterford last year you do wonder how they got this game.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 06:46:03    2217403

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Replying To Bon:  "This has nothing to do with frees that were or were not given, those decisions are open to an officials interpretation.
This is a stone wall black and white decision, ball hits opposition and goes for a 65, simples. And yet its missed by all officials on duty.
Its irrevelant how many wides limerick hit or how many "border line" frees they got. The bottom line is they were denied a chance to level the game with which would have been one of the last pucks in an All-Ireland Semi Final which would have went to extra time. Its absolutely shambolic that a team essentially is denied that chance by Mickey mouse sub standard officiating.
Kilkenny deserved to win hands down but limerick should have gotten that decision whether they were one point down or twenty points. Its non debatable.
Shame on Croke Park and their officials."
When consider there were two umpires, two linesmen and a referee in fairly close proximity and nobody saw a deflection that Kilkenny supporters around us freely admitted was a sixty five, you do wonder.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 06:49:32    2217404

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Up there Tiobraid. Wasn't really expecting it, just hoping to give Limerick plenty of it and let them know they'd have to earn their place in the final. When Dowling got the goal I thought we blew it but somehow held on."
Ballydalane. How old are you and how long have been following hurling? The simple fact is every county has gone down as favourites. The last three All Champions were dethroned by outsiders and each one by a single point. At least each of these three losers could at least say they died with their boots on. My first memory of an All Ireland is 1958 when Tipp predictably beat Galway,as the Tribesmen had only to beat Antrim to reach the final.. They proceeded to be utterly destroyed by Waterford in 59 and famously by an ageing Wexford team the following Year. Who will forget the '90 game in which they fell apart in the 'Donkeys and Derbys' Munster Final. On all those occasions they were raging favourites. In that time your county were favorites in '64 (Tipp were too old and there for the taking) '66 (Cork were too young and lacked experience), '73,'94, 98 99 '04 (twice) 2010, 2013 (again twice v Dublin and once against Cork) and 2016, Offaly in 95 were huge favourites against Clare as the Banner were against us the following year. It would take all day to list the amount of finals Galway lost when it all seemed a foregone conclusion. And as reagrds Cork, for a start just ask any old KK man how often they alone have beaten them as favourites.
I would also point out that no hurling team that regained the All Ireland after a lapse of more than ten years retained it the following year, expect Wexford back in '56, and they had already lost two final and were a vastly more expierienced team that Limerick.
In short I'm disappointed but not entirely downhearted and feel there are still great days for this young team. Best of luck to Kilkenny

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 07:16:31    2217405

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Why did Linerick play so defensively in the second half.? They were chasing the game and had whatever wind there was at their backs.Despite all that,Limerick has so few players up front that when they played the ball out of defence,a Limerick forward was outnumbered by Kilkenny backs by at least three to one and the ball came back down .This is a talented Limerick team and there are some doubts about the Kilkenny Defence.Surely Limerick should have been far more attacking in the second half and have attempted to open up Kilkenny for goals.Limerick management got it wrong and were out thought by Cody.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2376 - 28/07/2019 07:58:07    2217411

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I've watched it back and I'm not sure how you can say with any degree of certainty that it was a 65. I'm sure it'll be shown tomorrow night and it's likely that it was but the tv today didn't clearly show that so your only jumping to conclusions"
Did you not see the reaction of the crowd in the Cusack and Davin Stands. We went crazy. Brian Geary ran the length of the sideline with the linesman who had to have seen it. That same linesman insisted on Diarmuid Byrnes moving a long range free back 2 feet earlier in the game.

Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 28/07/2019 08:59:01    2217414

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Replying To perfect10:  "as usual,its the referees fault.
in 50 years following gaa it has been a constant rhetoric.
limerick lost today because they couldnt match kilkenny intensity and workrate,and they drove too many wides.they were far more crucial than one borderline call.
if refereeing is so easy,why dont more of you take it up?
i also wondered if aaron gillan was inside the 21 for the penalty?"
You do realize the first bit of your post criticises posters for blaming the referee for the bad call at the end.

Then you blame the ref for a bad call from the penalty !

Good luck today, hope ye win.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1536 - 28/07/2019 09:04:30    2217415

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