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Limerick V Kilkenny

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Replying To Bon:  "Execution? Sure he sent eoin Murphy the wrong way??
Weren't ye the beneficiaries of a similar "dodgy" penalty that sent ye on your way against Tipperary some time back..."
Execution in that it was took inside the 21.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 28/07/2019 11:28:44    2217481

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Replying To ballydalane:  "I wonder would there be the same uproar had Kilkenny been denied a 65? Somehow I think not."
Wondering if something might or might not be the same is aul rubbish. The point is that players deserve better from the people entrusted in these situations after giving so much to be at the level they are at.
I'd agree with you on the stupidity of giving teams easy frees to keep them in games but by Jaysus there was no question about it being a penalty and suggesting otherwise is just silly stuff. Of course the officials are human and make mistakes but in a situation where you have three men who should be well able to see a deflection and a static ball being hit in at the death just isn't good enough, full stop.
You can wonder all day about this and that and Limerick shot taking was awful but that's just pure basic balls up from the umpires and linesman. Don't be making out this is about everyone hating Kilkenny because it has nothing to do with Kilkenny.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 28/07/2019 11:36:19    2217484

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Replying To Bon:  "With an opponents hurl wrapped around you and his other arm holding you too?"
Quick to make excuses for Limerick wrong doings!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 28/07/2019 11:36:58    2217485

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Replying To Green2debone:  "To ALL the Kilkenny fans (and it was all I met) who moaned about the penalty not ONE single analyst thought it wasn't a penalty. As for Cillian Buckleys tackle on Nash I suppose ALL those fans think that's part of the game. Tough game for the ref but missing a blatant red and a blatant 65 is unforgivable. To Kilkenny fans I simply say the ref is not only there for Kilkenny ."
Penalty was very soft, Gillane was holding Lawlors hurley aswel, which is a free out and something Gillane never gets pulled for. I taught the ref favoured Limerick, ye got alot of soft frees.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 28/07/2019 11:38:24    2217487

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It was a definite penalty. The Kilkenny defender was all over him. Laughable that people are saying that that sort of a tackle should be allowed.

qwerty368 (Kildare) - Posts: 69 - 28/07/2019 11:55:57    2217491

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Replying To Bon:  "Well if it meant that they were out of the championship I think you'd be very surprised, as would there be for any county for that matter."
Nah, no chance.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 28/07/2019 12:04:17    2217493

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It's a shame the 65 was missed by the officials but to be fair Limerick got some soft, soft frees especially in the second half. These things happen. But I would be all for a TMO, it doesn't slow down rugby all that much and the correct decision is made 99 per cent of the time.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8354 - 28/07/2019 12:11:52    2217496

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Replying To Bon:  "I agree with you about being competitive at all times to be at your peak, but the issue here isn't with 50/50 decisions, its with a black and white decision that should never have missed by any official."
You are right. What went before could not be of less consequence. I can recall several games over the years where one team dominated a game but were caught at the winning post and then destroyed in replays. People are making out that KK were a vastly better team than Limerick. If so how come Limerick only lost by the odd point in 47. If KK were as good as these people make out they would have beaten us out the gate, especially as they were nine points up at one stage.
As an illustration of this, I remember a Tipp/Limerick League semi final back in 1973. It was played in Nowlan Park the first day and looked all over as Limerick were six down with a few minutes to go. Utterly against the run of play Cregan banged in two goals. Replay on. This took place in Birr. Tipp had a man sent off early but they led all the way to the last seconds when they were 3 points up when guess what- Cregan slapped in another goal. Extra Time on and Tipp now restored to their full complement really fancied their chances.
However, within five minutes of the start of the first period of extra time Limerck had three goals scored and swept to victory. The papers the next day were full of how much better a team Limerick were despite that Tipp had led for most of the two original games. Small margins as they say.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 12:15:56    2217501

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Replying To ballydalane:  "I wonder would there be the same uproar had Kilkenny been denied a 65? Somehow I think not."
Are you serious. I have seen Cody confront referees before.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 12:19:38    2217504

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "Anyone see the real problem here as cork have found out to the detriment many time only twice in a decade have the Munster champions won next game after 4 week break
Hurling Is a timing game like golf darts act u need to be competitive all times to be at your peak and no amount of a vs b games can rectify this. TIME FOR OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP KNOCK OUT!!!!!! Real championship ...
As for yesterday one decision didn't cost limerick you could go back over 75 mins and question a dozen decisions 50/50 which could gone either way the fact is kk ran riot st start because limerick were not up to pace and I'm after last week's game were razor sharp and battle hardend"
But if they ran riot as much as you say and were so much better how were only hanging to a one point lead at the end?

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 12:21:58    2217505

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Replying To Dec82:  "Penalty was very soft, Gillane was holding Lawlors hurley aswel, which is a free out and something Gillane never gets pulled for. I taught the ref favoured Limerick, ye got alot of soft frees."
FACT is Dec that no analyst disputed penalty. Not one. Free happened when Lawlor pulled Gillane around the shoulder. Gillane caught Hurley after that. This thing about ref being soft on us is ludicrous. Did you see Buckleys tackle on Nash? Nash is lucky not to be eating through a straw for months. Definite red according to BOTH commentators. Also Lawlor got away with murder in holding Gillane with umpires standing idly by. Not to mention the definite 65. I agree we didn't deserve to win the way we started but we def didn't get anything over and above from ref in fact if Buckley got his red we could have won a game we didn't deserve to. Watch that incident again if you can. It was also in front not of ref.

welpastit (Limerick) - Posts: 740 - 28/07/2019 12:22:39    2217506

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Replying To qwerty368:  "It was a definite penalty. The Kilkenny defender was all over him. Laughable that people are saying that that sort of a tackle should be allowed."
That's Kilkenny for ya every decision given against them is wrong

welpastit (Limerick) - Posts: 740 - 28/07/2019 12:23:31    2217507

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Officiating errors happen in all sports, amateur and professional.

Most Limerick fans, players and management will sportingly (and did yesterday as I was at the match) that it was the wides that cost them and KK were very good.

I feel like saying to you, as Brian Cody did in 2009, 'did you analyse every single decisionin that match?'. For example from my vantage point the line ball at the end was a KK ball,50/50 at best.

This faux outrage is probably an anti Kilkenny winning thing, and i'msure you know that."
No its not anti KK. It is just that rugby, soccer and I'm some other games have gone and introduced things like TV replays, TMOs etc to cover vital incidents like the penalty and the side line cut controversy. If they are properly adjudged and they go again either team that is fine. We should move with the times.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 12:36:01    2217510

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Replying To Dec82:  "Penalty was very soft, Gillane was holding Lawlors hurley aswel, which is a free out and something Gillane never gets pulled for. I taught the ref favoured Limerick, ye got alot of soft frees."
Are you seriously saying KK did not get soft frees as well.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 12:37:53    2217511

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Nah, no chance."
Ah would you stop, any team would feel aggrieved. Rightly so.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2262 - 28/07/2019 12:42:48    2217514

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Are you serious. I have seen Cody confront referees before."
Imagine it happened to wexford.....

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2262 - 28/07/2019 12:44:32    2217515

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Replying To welpastit:  "That's Kilkenny for ya every decision given against them is wrong"
Oh yes and vehemently contested-right or wrong.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2019 12:50:16    2217517

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Heartbroken. We congratulate Kilkenny on their fine victory and wish them well in the final. What we will not do is
(1) Start saying that we did not hurl in the first 20 minutes. That was all because being KK the good team they are did not let us
(2) Start saying we would have won if Declan Hannon did not have to go off
(3) Start blaming the referee
(4) Start looking for John Kiely's head as a certain Glway poster did for Michael Donoghue's the day after last years final.
(5)Start complaining we were too tired- oh sorry- that the break between Munster Final and yesterday's game was too long.
What we will do is take our beating like men, acknowledge KK were a better team on the day, desist from belittling their achievement, and go back to the drawing board and go again.
As regards your comment about not supporting us, well we could not care less, we have thousands of loyal supporters both inside and outside our county.
BTW What are you heartbroken about? It is only a game and there are winners and losers."
I am not heartbroken about anything, I enjoy yesterday's match where the reality of a hurling match was there for all to see. It's very hard to defend an all Ireland as limerick has found out. Galways excuses last year were 2 replays no recovery and made to play a all Ireland final in side two weeks, players injured unable to recover in time, limerick came out and destroyed galway in the first 55 minutes yet a lacklustre an of the pace galway all most stole the all Ireland last year. Also in 2017 when we won all Ireland we were also lensiter/ league / walsh cup/ Fenway challenge winners that year. In 2018 limerick only won all Ireland and in 2019 ye have Fenway/ league/ Munster but no all Ireland. Reality reality yes limerick need to have a hard luck at themselves as do galway because if we don't produce new talent limerick will put it up to us next year.

heartbroken (Galway) - Posts: 370 - 28/07/2019 13:16:17    2217525

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Replying To old yellar:  "I think you're missing my point here man but making it for me in another!! I be no interest in either of them winning. I love the game. But the decisions are what interest me. If the penalty wasn't a penalty, if he hit it inside the 21, - haven't seen a clear angle on this I must say, if fennelly did take 8 steps for the goal - easy count these, if the sideline was really a kk ball and if the ball was deflected for a 65 and missed.. Disputed calls with a huge bearing on the game for both teams. And it's not acceptable anymore given what's at stake. The old comment of what goes around comes around or things balance out etc is not acceptable anymore given the input players put in. And it's not just in yesterday's game but others. Players have moved their prep etc to near professional levels but they are subject to v poor reffing standards. A big deficit in both codes still."
I think that's harsh.

The game is too fast to be reffed 100% correct.

One mans defenders foul is another's overcarrying by the forward.

I think the ref had a good game overall, just unfortunate that he missed the 65 at the end.

Also it was a brilliant game and both counties supporters should be proud not arguing over every 50-50 decision.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1536 - 28/07/2019 13:16:46    2217527

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Great game, so many talking points.
Limerick hitting 15 wides , slow to match KKs intensity in 1st half and seemed lightweight up front with their lone forward often outnumbered 3:1 in 2nd half.
Limerick denied chance of taking 65' to equalize .. time was up but ref did allow puck out to be taken.
Both back and forward fouling each other leading up to penalty which was struck inside 20m line.
Ten steps for KK's goal and Buckley escaping any sanction for elbow on Nash.
One of Cody's finest hours coming from underdog position.
Championship blown wide open with 50:50 final to look forward to.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 604 - 28/07/2019 13:39:37    2217537

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