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Dublin V Louth - What A Farce

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Yesterday was a hammering alright, not nice to see and did no good for either team, but that's the standard the Dubs have set.

The result of course will be very welcome for those who want a tiered championship, they won't stop till they get it. But Division 3 & 4 teams have to make an important decision now because be under no illusion there are only 2 options:

1. Remain playing for Sam (ie 1 tier only, but the structure may be changed), take some hammerings, get the odd win and your token 2min snippet at 11.30pm on the Sunday game.

Or

2. Enter a very competitive 2nd tier championship, and never be seen or heard from again, you won't even get your 2mins. Oscar Wilde springs to mind "There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about."


Ps hammerings are nothing new folks, 40 years ago Dublin also played Louth in the Leinster QF, the result being: Dublin 4-16 Louth 0-4

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 26/05/2019 13:11:19    2187596

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Replying To Htaem:  "Yesterday was a hammering alright, not nice to see and did no good for either team, but that's the standard the Dubs have set.

The result of course will be very welcome for those who want a tiered championship, they won't stop till they get it. But Division 3 & 4 teams have to make an important decision now because be under no illusion there are only 2 options:

1. Remain playing for Sam (ie 1 tier only, but the structure may be changed), take some hammerings, get the odd win and your token 2min snippet at 11.30pm on the Sunday game.

Or

2. Enter a very competitive 2nd tier championship, and never be seen or heard from again, you won't even get your 2mins. Oscar Wilde springs to mind "There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about."


Ps hammerings are nothing new folks, 40 years ago Dublin also played Louth in the Leinster QF, the result being: Dublin 4-16 Louth 0-4"
I don't think that's the choice though.

If you're in the second tier you don't get heard from but there's an opportunity to move up the levels and be playing at a higher standard again.

Currently the system really doesn't give struggling teams much opportunity to progress.

Look at the season on offer to Antrim or Louth say.

Start training in December, with preseason competitions in January. Play your 7 most competitive meaningful games in February and March, although if the weather isn't great, those fixtures may not be fulfilled. Train like a dog for the next 3 months for 2 maybe 3 matches.

How do you sell that to players. Surely players want to train and play real matches, that can have some meaning.

The best will progress.

At the minute the Antrim team doesn't get close to their best group of players out and any wonder.

The demands are ridiculously high and the rewards just aren't there for many.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 26/05/2019 13:41:46    2187600

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I don't think that's the choice though.

If you're in the second tier you don't get heard from but there's an opportunity to move up the levels and be playing at a higher standard again.

Currently the system really doesn't give struggling teams much opportunity to progress.

Look at the season on offer to Antrim or Louth say.

Start training in December, with preseason competitions in January. Play your 7 most competitive meaningful games in February and March, although if the weather isn't great, those fixtures may not be fulfilled. Train like a dog for the next 3 months for 2 maybe 3 matches.

How do you sell that to players. Surely players want to train and play real matches, that can have some meaning.

The best will progress.

At the minute the Antrim team doesn't get close to their best group of players out and any wonder.

The demands are ridiculously high and the rewards just aren't there for many."
Listen I'm by no means a proponent of the current championship structure, I think most people now recognise that we could do far better. I would just exercise caution in how we change the format, and I think div 3 & 4 teams in particular need to be absolutely certain of what they're signing up for.

I know I've raised this point quite often, so my apologies if I sound like a stuck record but the Hurling championship provides us with a clear insight as to how 2nd and subsequent tiers are treated. Sure teams are playing at their own standard and as a result you get more competitive games but the coverage is almost non-existent.

Also we've had B championships before in football but they never worked out, and it's wishful to think that this time the Gaa and the media will give a second tier respect, I just can't see it.

And I know what you're saying, it certainly makes sense on paper, if you win the second tier then you get to play for Sam, which is huge incentive. But I would counter that by saying it still leaves 16 teams in the wilderness (15 that'd failed to gain promotion and the 1 relegated team), some of who may never even gain promotion. That can't be good for a county either.

This needs to be very carefully considered by all counties, that's my main point.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 26/05/2019 14:15:30    2187608

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I don't think that's the choice though.

If you're in the second tier you don't get heard from but there's an opportunity to move up the levels and be playing at a higher standard again.

Currently the system really doesn't give struggling teams much opportunity to progress.

Look at the season on offer to Antrim or Louth say.

Start training in December, with preseason competitions in January. Play your 7 most competitive meaningful games in February and March, although if the weather isn't great, those fixtures may not be fulfilled. Train like a dog for the next 3 months for 2 maybe 3 matches.

How do you sell that to players. Surely players want to train and play real matches, that can have some meaning.

The best will progress.

At the minute the Antrim team doesn't get close to their best group of players out and any wonder.

The demands are ridiculously high and the rewards just aren't there for many."
Agree 100%

If you were starting the GAA from scratch today, nobody would come up with the current system for the football championship. And if you did bring up this system, people would think you were cracked

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 26/05/2019 14:16:49    2187610

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Meath and Kildare are brutal now not Dublin's fault. Keep hitting us with the money excuse if it makes you feel better. We pick mainly from the same teams in division 1 we do the exact same training and tactics as everyone else money got nothing to do with it , you either have it or you don't."
Agree. What Dublin have is a big group of players who give it 100% and massive fitness levels. So sick of people talking about money. Do kerry and mayo have lots of cash too as they normally give the Dubs a close game ? Dublin are the best team i have ever seen and we should all just appreciate the good football they play as it will end some day just like the great kerry , cork ,galway teams

SheridansTry (Meath) - Posts: 180 - 26/05/2019 14:22:47    2187615

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Replying To Htaem:  "Listen I'm by no means a proponent of the current championship structure, I think most people now recognise that we could do far better. I would just exercise caution in how we change the format, and I think div 3 & 4 teams in particular need to be absolutely certain of what they're signing up for.

I know I've raised this point quite often, so my apologies if I sound like a stuck record but the Hurling championship provides us with a clear insight as to how 2nd and subsequent tiers are treated. Sure teams are playing at their own standard and as a result you get more competitive games but the coverage is almost non-existent.

Also we've had B championships before in football but they never worked out, and it's wishful to think that this time the Gaa and the media will give a second tier respect, I just can't see it.

And I know what you're saying, it certainly makes sense on paper, if you win the second tier then you get to play for Sam, which is huge incentive. But I would counter that by saying it still leaves 16 teams in the wilderness (15 that'd failed to gain promotion and the 1 relegated team), some of who may never even gain promotion. That can't be good for a county either.

This needs to be very carefully considered by all counties, that's my main point."
I agree with all that also.

I think there's 0 point to a knockout lower tier competition. The likes of London or Waterford will still only get 2 games a season most years.

If there's a lower tier structure it needs to be closer to the league in format. Get guys playing a proper program of games at the right time of the year.

There would also have to be an appropriate number of teams moving between tiers each season.

It could definitely be done.

I think tier 2 and 3 finals would get some exposure if they were played around the time of tier 1 finals.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4506 - 26/05/2019 14:36:54    2187620

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How come nobody is talking about the attendance?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8355 - 26/05/2019 14:44:07    2187623

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Replying To SheridansTry:  "Agree. What Dublin have is a big group of players who give it 100% and massive fitness levels. So sick of people talking about money. Do kerry and mayo have lots of cash too as they normally give the Dubs a close game ? Dublin are the best team i have ever seen and we should all just appreciate the good football they play as it will end some day just like the great kerry , cork ,galway teams"
The money that's pumped into the Dublin senior team is no different to the money going into Kerry mayo, even meath......it's the money that's pumped into underage resources, development officers etc that no county can come close to matching..... this has been happening for 10 plus years now, of course it is linked to a conveyor belt of talent coming through.... the best coaching and most resources is obviously going to produce the best players down the line.....why do dubs deny this, it's not rocket science..... Jesus take your head out of the sand and look at the facts and figures for a change

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 972 - 26/05/2019 14:46:37    2187624

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "The money that's pumped into the Dublin senior team is no different to the money going into Kerry mayo, even meath......it's the money that's pumped into underage resources, development officers etc that no county can come close to matching..... this has been happening for 10 plus years now, of course it is linked to a conveyor belt of talent coming through.... the best coaching and most resources is obviously going to produce the best players down the line.....why do dubs deny this, it's not rocket science..... Jesus take your head out of the sand and look at the facts and figures for a change"
Where would one get those figures please?

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 26/05/2019 14:51:44    2187625

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "How come nobody is talking about the attendance?"
Why is it worrying you much ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 26/05/2019 14:57:16    2187629

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "How come nobody is talking about the attendance?"
What was it?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 26/05/2019 15:02:45    2187633

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "What was it?"
A quick Google told me it was 14,380.
Castle bar attendance was 10,941 in case you wanted that too.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 26/05/2019 15:39:46    2187646

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Why is it worrying you much ?"
I think you know it was a shocking attendance. People hoping it won't be mentioned. Leinster is a Turkey shoot.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8355 - 26/05/2019 15:40:13    2187647

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "How come nobody is talking about the attendance?"
Have to agree with you.

4 leinster counties couldn't fill Portlaoise even with the big dubs contingent.

Tiny crowd from Louth

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1536 - 26/05/2019 15:55:37    2187653

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I think you know it was a shocking attendance. People hoping it won't be mentioned. Leinster is a Turkey shoot."
Does this mean weve lost the taking over of Time Square. :D

Looked a full house to me, i was there, im not sure if many others there would agree or disagree with me. I honestly dont trust official attendance figures in any game. They seem a bit Irish.

I couldn't be less bothered the less the better in my opinion via the M7, i am a bit upset about the Time Square thing though, thats what important.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4503 - 26/05/2019 15:58:13    2187655

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I think you know it was a shocking attendance. People hoping it won't be mentioned. Leinster is a Turkey shoot."
Eh obviously! At least in Leinster we've a reason not to attend. What's Mayos excuse? Very poor attendance last night for the best supporters in all the land & you league champions too. 11,000 out of a possible 38,000 according to my friend Mr Google.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 26/05/2019 16:07:01    2187658

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I think you know it was a shocking attendance. People hoping it won't be mentioned. Leinster is a Turkey shoot."
Dont worry about it. Worry about your upcoming connacht final mate!!

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 26/05/2019 16:07:15    2187659

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I think you know it was a shocking attendance. People hoping it won't be mentioned. Leinster is a Turkey shoot."
You seem to be more interested in attendances at Leinster matches , than commenting on your own counties result yesterday , strange that .

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 26/05/2019 16:09:17    2187660

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Meath impressive so far this season , so i'm hoping that they are the team to at least put on a sporting spectacle
against Dublin in Leinster this year.

BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 26/05/2019 16:11:57    2187662

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "The money that's pumped into the Dublin senior team is no different to the money going into Kerry mayo, even meath......it's the money that's pumped into underage resources, development officers etc that no county can come close to matching..... this has been happening for 10 plus years now, of course it is linked to a conveyor belt of talent coming through.... the best coaching and most resources is obviously going to produce the best players down the line.....why do dubs deny this, it's not rocket science..... Jesus take your head out of the sand and look at the facts and figures for a change"
This... 100%. Turkeys dont vote for Christmas though so you wont hear a word from certain posters about it.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/05/2019 16:33:32    2187665

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