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Really good start for Tipp. Happy to have been wrong. All bar one forward was very good and he was somehow left on.
Still question marks over full back line but half back line was excellent and what a player Brendan Maher is. To come back like he has is unreal. He almost single handedly kept Tipp in cship last year.
Certainly won't be getting carried away. Tipp blew Cork away earlier in the year as well but were poor for most of the rest of the league. Waterford will relish going to Semple Stadium next week.
Also, agree on the ref. Some of the decisions in favour of Tipp in the second half was some of the most bizarre calls I've ever seen.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/05/2019 18:01:24    2183319

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Really good start for Tipp. Happy to have been wrong. All bar one forward was very good and he was somehow left on.
Still question marks over full back line but half back line was excellent and what a player Brendan Maher is. To come back like he has is unreal. He almost single handedly kept Tipp in cship last year.
Certainly won't be getting carried away. Tipp blew Cork away earlier in the year as well but were poor for most of the rest of the league. Waterford will relish going to Semple Stadium next week.
Also, agree on the ref. Some of the decisions in favour of Tipp in the second half was some of the most bizarre calls I've ever seen."
Maybe the blow to head affected the ref's judgement. We are getting used to poor refereeing, so I wasn't overly surprised.
Tipp were better anyway...Cork need to regroup.....a lot of players underperformed....and defence was very loose.
I couldn't fathom why Cormac Murphy, who performed well in league games wasn't brought on as a direct replacement for Bill Cooper. What is the point of trying out players for league, if they are not used in Championship?

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 12/05/2019 18:17:12    2183324

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Clare were by far the better team. Too many of our players did not show up. Could have got a draw out of it though. Getting fed up with incorrect calls that influences the results. There are enough officials on the field to get it right. One can miss some thing and in this case the lines missed it but no excuse for both him and the referee missing it.
Unfortunately it could be a short year again for us. One thing that stands out last year and this year how poorly the team is conditioned. The amount of times they are left on the ground injured after tackling with the opposition. We don not have a big team but they need to stand up and not be getting bullied all over the place.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 12/05/2019 19:57:37    2183368

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Replying To Canuck:  "Clare were by far the better team. Too many of our players did not show up. Could have got a draw out of it though. Getting fed up with incorrect calls that influences the results. There are enough officials on the field to get it right. One can miss some thing and in this case the lines missed it but no excuse for both him and the referee missing it.
Unfortunately it could be a short year again for us. One thing that stands out last year and this year how poorly the team is conditioned. The amount of times they are left on the ground injured after tackling with the opposition. We don not have a big team but they need to stand up and not be getting bullied all over the place."
Are you seriously giving out about the referee?

The only reason Waterford were as close to Clare as they were was because of the referees. Some of the calls against Clare were shocking. Even some Waterford fans beside me in the terrace were laughing at some of the calls.

Today I felt was a classic ambush by Clare. Waterford hammered us in the league quarter which was a great learning curve for us to come back today. Too many Waterford players were off today and we had a lot of good performances. Clare were better 100% today but Waterford are still a very good team, just lacking a bit of direction I feel and are maybe implementing a style that doesn't suit them.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 12/05/2019 20:33:32    2183384

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Are you seriously giving out about the referee?

The only reason Waterford were as close to Clare as they were was because of the referees. Some of the calls against Clare were shocking. Even some Waterford fans beside me in the terrace were laughing at some of the calls.

Today I felt was a classic ambush by Clare. Waterford hammered us in the league quarter which was a great learning curve for us to come back today. Too many Waterford players were off today and we had a lot of good performances. Clare were better 100% today but Waterford are still a very good team, just lacking a bit of direction I feel and are maybe implementing a style that doesn't suit them."
I am not giving out about the referee. Clare were by far the better team. I am giving out about a wrong call again by officials that potentially influenced the result. Waterford would probably got a draw they did not deserve. It was clearly the Clare player put the ball out. The same as it was clear that last year's goal was a phantom.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 12/05/2019 20:52:14    2183396

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Replying To Canuck:  "I am not giving out about the referee. Clare were by far the better team. I am giving out about a wrong call again by officials that potentially influenced the result. Waterford would probably got a draw they did not deserve. It was clearly the Clare player put the ball out. The same as it was clear that last year's goal was a phantom."
You can't just pick one incident and ignore all the decisions that went your way unfairly.

You should have played the final 25 minutes with 14 men for example if the linemen saw the strike on POC that was as clear as day and inexplainable as to how they missed it. That incident as it was not refereed correctly, could have also influenced the result.

Also Waterfords last point was a mile wide. Yet again another poor decision that could have influenced the result.

These are real issues that Clare were harshly treated on and you want to talk about a sideline cut ye didn't get? Come out of it.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 12/05/2019 22:40:04    2183438

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There needs to be 2 refs. Both games had some terrible decisions. But the guy reffing the Cork game refused to give any frees for trips. Missed about 5. It was slightly ridiculous.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 12/05/2019 23:07:54    2183451

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I wasn't surprised by the Waterford Clare game. Waterford were poor in the league final after giving it there all. They did try their best today but I don't think they are being coached well enough as they are good hurlers. I think they might make Tipp look good again next week!

I was very disappointed with Cork today. Apart from Patrick Horgan and the new corner back, Noel O' Leary, they were terrible throughout. Can't understand how Mark Coleman and Darragh Fitz were left on the field. But then again I could say that about 13 of the Cork team. Even Marty Morrissey questioned Nash's constant puck-outs to Brendan Maher. I wonder did Myler get them back from their clubs too late, hampering their preparations. They looked like a team that were put together for the first time last week? A bit like Tipp last year.

Tipp on the other hand were a lot sharper than last year. However, Cork's no show made them look awesome. The Sunday game showed how Bubbles was totally unmarked for the pass he gave John McGrath for his goal. Terrible stuff.

I certainly hope Limerick won't be as flat next week as there's bond to be a kick in Cork.

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 12/05/2019 23:29:43    2183457

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Yes the line ball at the end was called wrong. It was in midfield mind you, so hardly a definite point score opportunity!

Waterford players went to ground in search of a free in numerous occasions throughout the game. Something which is now the norm for most hurling teams. The eventually got a couple towards the end.

Waterford are under pressure now. It will be hard to get anything from Thurles next weekend. Similar to Cork I guess.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 13/05/2019 08:14:36    2183487

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Only saw the cork Tipp match on the box so it's difficult to tell, but to me the physicality and speed associated with the Munster championship wasn't there.
Saying that, the overall standard was way higher than the kk dubs match. The Tipp forward lines would have buried kk by half time

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 13/05/2019 10:17:11    2183528

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "You can't just pick one incident and ignore all the decisions that went your way unfairly.

You should have played the final 25 minutes with 14 men for example if the linemen saw the strike on POC that was as clear as day and inexplainable as to how they missed it. That incident as it was not refereed correctly, could have also influenced the result.

Also Waterfords last point was a mile wide. Yet again another poor decision that could have influenced the result.

These are real issues that Clare were harshly treated on and you want to talk about a sideline cut ye didn't get? Come out of it."
I am no fan of James Owens. However his decisions were initially questioned by Duignan on a number of occasions yesterday. Tellingly every time they were replayed back Owens was proved to be back on correct. As regards people laughing at referees I have been well over 50 years going to matches and those people have always been at it. However ask them, who know so much, to put a whistle in the mouth and referee a game and they would run a mile from the opportunity to display their undoubted skills.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4500 - 13/05/2019 11:29:47    2183571

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I am no fan of James Owens. However his decisions were initially questioned by Duignan on a number of occasions yesterday. Tellingly every time they were replayed back Owens was proved to be back on correct. As regards people laughing at referees I have been well over 50 years going to matches and those people have always been at it. However ask them, who know so much, to put a whistle in the mouth and referee a game and they would run a mile from the opportunity to display their undoubted skills."
For once I have to wholeheartedly agree with a Limerick poster

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 13/05/2019 11:59:16    2183591

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "You can't just pick one incident and ignore all the decisions that went your way unfairly.

You should have played the final 25 minutes with 14 men for example if the linemen saw the strike on POC that was as clear as day and inexplainable as to how they missed it. That incident as it was not refereed correctly, could have also influenced the result.

Also Waterfords last point was a mile wide. Yet again another poor decision that could have influenced the result.

These are real issues that Clare were harshly treated on and you want to talk about a sideline cut ye didn't get? Come out of it."
It great that ye are all angels in Clare. Talking about singling out individual events as you just did there are plenty examples. Barry Coughlan had his had broken in Clare last year in an off the ball pull but we said nothing. Again yesterday another Waterford player was seen holding his arm after a indiscriminate pull and it is probable a break. Individual incidents can be subjective but a ball going inside or outside the post, crossing the goal line or going over the side line are not. They either went where called or not. No official purposely makes a wrong call and I avoid criticizing referees but a wrong call is a wrong call. It will always be discussed when it happens at the end of a game and has influence on the result. This side line call was hugely significant with Clare leading by a point and timing running out. The play became a defensive clearance instead of an attacking play.
Look Clare the better team won the game but it would be better for all if it happened without these unfortunate calls and anything that can be done to avoid would be welcome.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 13/05/2019 14:20:02    2183669

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Replying To Canuck:  "It great that ye are all angels in Clare. Talking about singling out individual events as you just did there are plenty examples. Barry Coughlan had his had broken in Clare last year in an off the ball pull but we said nothing. Again yesterday another Waterford player was seen holding his arm after a indiscriminate pull and it is probable a break. Individual incidents can be subjective but a ball going inside or outside the post, crossing the goal line or going over the side line are not. They either went where called or not. No official purposely makes a wrong call and I avoid criticizing referees but a wrong call is a wrong call. It will always be discussed when it happens at the end of a game and has influence on the result. This side line call was hugely significant with Clare leading by a point and timing running out. The play became a defensive clearance instead of an attacking play.
Look Clare the better team won the game but it would be better for all if it happened without these unfortunate calls and anything that can be done to avoid would be welcome."
Hope Waterford get back on rails V Tipp wont be easy lots of fine hurlers were awful flat yesterday for long periods yesterday diden't see the referee doing much wrong now yet definatley sideline came off hand of Davy Mac but small things

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 988 - 13/05/2019 14:30:05    2183676

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Replying To Rockies:  "Maybe the blow to head affected the ref's judgement. We are getting used to poor refereeing, so I wasn't overly surprised.
Tipp were better anyway...Cork need to regroup.....a lot of players underperformed....and defence was very loose.
I couldn't fathom why Cormac Murphy, who performed well in league games wasn't brought on as a direct replacement for Bill Cooper. What is the point of trying out players for league, if they are not used in Championship?"
I was surprised to see him on the bench anyway, I think he is a very good player.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 13/05/2019 17:05:45    2183732

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "To be fair I can't believe this clown is allowed to ref. Seriously, we may be proud of being Amatuer but refs like this are ridiculous. Ruined it as a spectacle"
I think he is one of the better referees, its a low bar in fairness. Most referees are poor at the minute. You need two referees for hurling, its too fast for one man to keep up with.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 13/05/2019 17:07:31    2183733

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Replying To clooney:  "Hope Waterford get back on rails V Tipp wont be easy lots of fine hurlers were awful flat yesterday for long periods yesterday diden't see the referee doing much wrong now yet definatley sideline came off hand of Davy Mac but small things"
I also hope Clare go on and qualify. Unfortunately a small thing can be a big thing later on where one point may make the difference.
However we are blessed to be able to witness players like Tony Kelly, Austin Gleeson, John O'Dwyer, Aaron Gillane, TJ Reid, Patrick Horgan And many others. Some from more counties.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3072 - 13/05/2019 18:08:02    2183761

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The Cork boys should not be complaining about the ref, he was only thing that kept them in it in the first half.

PremierGold (Tipperary) - Posts: 121 - 14/05/2019 21:21:31    2184134

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Just looking at all the fixtures the attendances should be good every week.

This week obviously limerick and Cork but also tip at home to waterford. Should be 50k+ between them both.

Next weekend could have two sellouts as both Clare and waterford are at home.

Then cork at home for waterford which could be a knock out game and Limerick at home to Clare.

The final week Tipp at home to limerick and Clare at home to Cork.

Hopefully results keep it competitive right to the end.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 17/05/2019 14:13:18    2184939

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Just looking at all the fixtures the attendances should be good every week.

This week obviously limerick and Cork but also tip at home to waterford. Should be 50k+ between them both.

Next weekend could have two sellouts as both Clare and waterford are at home.

Then cork at home for waterford which could be a knock out game and Limerick at home to Clare.

The final week Tipp at home to limerick and Clare at home to Cork.

Hopefully results keep it competitive right to the end."
With 3 going through its highly likely it'll be competitive until the end.
It'll be competitive anyway due to the fact that only 2 of 3 will he fighting for the final I think all games will be very competitive regardless
I wouldn't be beating against cork and Waterford tomorrow

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 19/05/2019 00:55:51    2185380

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