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Replying To riverboys: "Imagine is a large number of schoolchildren were between those players ands supporters when the fighting started, this story would make the news worldwide and we would be shamed as a nation for allowing this to happen, time to throw the book at every person involved in brawling. I'll give you 1 incident of how wrong our rules are, a player receives a straight red card for a punch or another serious incident, this is an automatic 4-8 week ban, manager walks up to the ref after the game, shakes his hand and wishes him well and says 'any chance that red card can be changed to 2 yellows' this way avoiding the ban, ref says either yes or no. That kind of behaviour by any person is wrong, you do the crime you do the time, how can anybody learn what is right and what is wrong, anybody that is involved in brawls or causing trouble whether players, management or supporters know they won't be severely punished and at least the train of though is lL'll give this ### a good thumping give him something to remember'. What to do in these issues should be fairly simple, Did this trouble take place on the pitch? If so the ref has to sort it out and afterwards the co board and maybe Croke Park Did the trouble happen off the pitch either in the stands or on the street outside of the grounds? If so the police and courts have to be involved and take action, co board can also go after the people involved but the 1st port of call is the Gardai and if up north then PSNI. Make them think before they act in future" Jeez relax man. Worldwide news over a brawl in Kilcoo. don't make me laugh. Yes suspensions need to be throw at the players/clubs who brawl but lets not go over board The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 17/10/2018 10:32:43 2146933 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "Jeez relax man. Worldwide news over a brawl in Kilcoo. don't make me laugh. Yes suspensions need to be throw at the players/clubs who brawl but lets not go over board" said like a proud Tyrone man s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 17/10/2018 11:46:00 2146944 Link
Every week a serious incident, scenes of a woman being hit, supporters, players & management in serious free for alls, people kicked on the ground, refs assaulted, suspensions reduced by the GAA for serious assault on a player in Limerick & the whole time not a peep from those leading the Association, nobody in charge at the top. Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 18/10/2018 23:12:28 2147193 Link
Replying To Uimhir.a.3.: "Every week a serious incident, scenes of a woman being hit, supporters, players & management in serious free for alls, people kicked on the ground, refs assaulted, suspensions reduced by the GAA for serious assault on a player in Limerick & the whole time not a peep from those leading the Association, nobody in charge at the top." AND it will continue unfortunately until those at the top take action. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/10/2018 15:56:30 2147265 Link
Replying To Uimhir.a.3.: "Every week a serious incident, scenes of a woman being hit, supporters, players & management in serious free for alls, people kicked on the ground, refs assaulted, suspensions reduced by the GAA for serious assault on a player in Limerick & the whole time not a peep from those leading the Association, nobody in charge at the top." How can you blame the people at the top? They are powerless to stop any of it, it starts with every individual, the club and county board. Where is the Chairpersons of the clubs coming out and condemning their own players, the problem starts at home. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1969 - 19/10/2018 16:05:27 2147268 Link
Replying To zinny: "How can you blame the people at the top? They are powerless to stop any of it, it starts with every individual, the club and county board. Where is the Chairpersons of the clubs coming out and condemning their own players, the problem starts at home." Agreed. I thought it was the refs fault these brawls start?? The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 19/10/2018 16:25:02 2147270 Link
Replying To zinny: "How can you blame the people at the top? They are powerless to stop any of it, it starts with every individual, the club and county board. Where is the Chairpersons of the clubs coming out and condemning their own players, the problem starts at home." It is absolutely a problem at the top all the way to Croke park. they make and enforce the rules they allow club to get away with these thing. if the top want it stopped it would happen in the morning. a rule passed in congress that said and fight with more than 2 players involved will result in automatic expulsion from the competition . how many times do we see people at the intercounty level throwing punches and getting it over turned on appeal. disipline is a joke in the GAA and social media is highlighting it . my opinion is HQ want to keep these loopholes inplace for the bigger counties incase a marque player or county needs to use them. 10 years ago i would have been the first to look down my nose at a gaa player sueing for a pitch incident but now I would encourage it. only when HQ starts to feel it in the pocket will they make any change. ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 260 - 20/10/2018 12:50:29 2147356 Link
HQ can be quick enough to highlight rules re use of pitches so absolutely they should show leadership in this. Years ago after a dust up it was often hard to prove who did what and clubs couldn't/ wouldn't name names, however there is now clear and ample footage available to deal with those bringing our games into disrepute lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 20/10/2018 14:07:34 2147364 Link
The solution to these melees is to enforce tbe existing rules. A culture exists of non-cooperation with county boards on disciplinary matters. Hear no evil see no evil. If referees call off matches when these incidents occur then county boards ccc's can take action and proposed stiff penalties. These melees don't occur at inter county level. midfield9 (Westmeath) - Posts: 102 - 20/10/2018 17:15:55 2147376 Link
Agree, people can modify their behaviour pretty quickly if they know there will be consequences. GAA also needs to stop relying on one-man-band lawyers, consult with other sporting organisations that have disciplinary rules that have been adjusted down the years to a point where they're clear and easy to enforce - and then bring in two senior barristers with actual trial and public hearing experience, one with criminal experience and one with public administrative / judicial review experience, to stress-test the rules for clarity and fairness. Criminal law statutes tend to be short and simply-worded; so should our rules. What looks "clear" to a suit in Croke Park on might look like a lash-up to an experienced lawyer. There are very well-known common law principles of administrative law which are applicable to the decisions and processes of any body, and it's time the GAA upped its game in this regard. I agree it's not the primary issue, which is a cultural reluctance to act and a tendency to react to incidents in proportion to how much b/s about them has been generated by the media, but it's still important to have the basics of a decent system in place. Another aspect is refs turning a blind eye to someone, usually a forward, being hassled with a series of half fouls throughout a match, but as soon as a lad who has been niggled retaliates, then both are carded. We need refs to step in earlier and card messers who are unable to mark a forward fairly and who get away with niggling and spoiling for an entire game. Some incidents that blow up arise out of a perception that a player is effectively being taken out of the game by a series of sly half-fouls perpetrated by some outclassed clown and about which nothing are being done. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 21/10/2018 08:14:20 2147427 Link
The biggest problem in the GAA is too many coaches, mentors, etc on the line. There should be 1-2 water boys, a hurl carrier, a physio, and 1 mentor/manager allowed on the line. If that mentor transgresses, they lose that right to even have that 1 mentor on the line for the rest of the season and the next season. End of story. Any mentor who hits a player should be ashamed of himself. There seems to be no punishment for subs/coaches/etc hitting players. I have no problem with players hitting one another, I don't like it or when it happens to me, but I have a massive problem with a manager hitting a player. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1830 - 22/10/2018 11:28:41 2147635 Link
Yet again another weekend and another big mêlée riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 22/10/2018 20:00:42 2147767 Link
Replying To riverboys: "Yet again another weekend and another big mêlée" They'll continue to happen if they keep on going unpunished Very unsavory stuff again but nothing new jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 22/10/2018 22:00:58 2147790 Link
Replying To riverboys: "Yet again another weekend and another big mêlée" Until the powers that be take control and get a handle on it, it will continue. Getting beyond a joke at this. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/10/2018 22:12:33 2147793 Link
So where's the outrage now about what happened in Kerry?..a melee in Derry and one in down and you'd swear it was the end of the world...all the anti northern brigade on here have suddenly gone quiet mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 22/10/2018 22:34:10 2147801 Link
sure the powers that be dont seem to care,in wexford a county player suspension for a county final went to the dra - the reason he was allowed to play was the dra "needed clarification from the referee".this begs a whole load of questions 1. why did 3 appeals all say the suspension should be upheld 2. why didn't the 4th appeal not have the referee there to say why he sent the player off? to me,this is the crux of the gaa problem.a lazze faire attitude to discipline,a disciplinary setup which is a farce,and the only thing to do is keep appealing,appealing,appealing,somebody will say alright.it is like children with sweets - they know if they keep pleading,somebody will relent. until the gaa sorts that out,this sort of nonsense will continue. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 23/10/2018 09:24:52 2147831 Link
Replying To mayotyroneman: "So where's the outrage now about what happened in Kerry?..a melee in Derry and one in down and you'd swear it was the end of the world...all the anti northern brigade on here have suddenly gone quiet" Pure bullshit , there's was huge slagging between northern brothers , there was many a post stating it's a GAA problem not a northern problem , that remains , its people like yourself that initiate the northern south divide in debates that are nothing of the sort , I stated it before and will again problem is not geographical it rates it's head in rural Ireland more so than the capital but if your a true Gael its a problem for all of us and far too impotto get parochial about Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 23/10/2018 13:14:25 2147892 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Pure bullshit , there's was huge slagging between northern brothers , there was many a post stating it's a GAA problem not a northern problem , that remains , its people like yourself that initiate the northern south divide in debates that are nothing of the sort , I stated it before and will again problem is not geographical it rates it's head in rural Ireland more so than the capital but if your a true Gael its a problem for all of us and far too impotto get parochial about" 100% agreed royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/10/2018 17:43:45 2147954 Link
8 weeks for assult more like 8 months in jail. What a joke. Shame in the Kerry county board and shame on Croke Park for looking the other way, but predictable, very predictable. northbouind (Galway) - Posts: 305 - 23/10/2018 20:02:58 2147972 Link
"Meanwhile, Camross' Darrell Dooley has been cleared to line out against first-time Wexford champions Naomh Eanna in the opening round of the Leinster club SHC on November 4 after his two-match ban was lifted by the Laois Hearings Committee on Monday night. Dooley was suspended for his part in the 25th minute incident that left Rathdowney-Errill's Ross King with a bloodied face and needing extensive dental treatment." disgrace.cause and effect again. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 24/10/2018 12:20:04 2148106 Link