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Dublin Getting 2 Home Games In The Super 8s. Fair Or Unfair?

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Replying To joeteor:  "2014 still cuts deep I see"
Certainly not. We've more silver than Mexico now. 2014 spurned us on to a 3 in a row. It was just the tonic so will live long in the memory as a watershed moment for this team.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 11/07/2018 19:15:14    2120808

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Replying To joeteor:  "2014 still cuts deep I see"
Yup...the 3 All Ireland's since then make up for it though. We'll live.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 11/07/2018 19:16:49    2120809

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Replying To Joxer:  "Sure luck Muck. Move us out of CP and they'll use the money excuse. Make us paupers and they'll use the population excuse. This is a great Dublin team. Look at our away record. The people who know their stuff with no axe to grind will determine their legacy, not a wannabe sports hack whose own team's record at home against this Dublin team was ???? It's 15 v 15 afterall."
joxer, you're only making things worse for yourself talking about JmcG like that.
Wannabee sports hack indeed!

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 11/07/2018 19:16:56    2120810

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Replying To Joxer:  "Would you rather play the Dubs away in Croke Park or away in Parnell Park? Ask your players that and they'll tell you Croke Park every time. In fact other counties vote for it all the time. Talk to your CB and then come back to us."
but we are not meant to be playing away to you? pointless question

NaomhNaille (Donegal) - Posts: 124 - 11/07/2018 19:50:47    2120812

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According to the GAA president today Donegal had an issue with the sequence of games and the timing of their home game as opposed to playing Dublin in Croke Park.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4529 - 11/07/2018 21:22:51    2120824

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Apparently football was supposed to be coming home this weekend. But then Croke Park clarified it was a neutral venue.

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 335 - 11/07/2018 21:40:19    2120828

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Replying To joeteor:  "
Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "[quote=KY4SAM2015:  "[quote=gormdubhgorm:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "[quote=tipp11:  "[quote=gormdubhgorm:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "'Dublin rent Croke Park the <b>neutral</b> venue.' Neutral for all counties except Dublin you mean?"</div>It is a neutral venue for all counties they are free to rent it as weii. The Dublin hurlers have suffered in CP when Parnell Pk was not used."
So if tipp decide clonmel or nenagh is their home ground but too small to hold matches and we play every single game in semple stadium could we claim it as neutral?"]Of course you can. But then you not inderstand the term 'neutral' as it seems some Dublin posters also struggle with that term. I know rightly Tipp11 you definitely know what neutral means."]I think it is you that is confused Croke Park is GAA HQ it is a neutral venue which happens to be situated in Dublin.
Dublin's home ground is Parnell Park it always has been.
The Dublin footballers have not had a 'home' game in Parnell Park since 2009.
They used in Parnell Park prior to the advent of the 'Spring Series'.

All of this inofmation should not be a surprise to you nor should be a surprise to anyone who was at the GAA congress.
Dublin hurlers played Tipp in semple last year in the championship, I had no problem with it was pre-arranged, the KK v Waterford game was on after it.
Big crowd great atmosphere.
In fact Dublin played Kerry in Semple when Croke Park was being redeveloped by in 2001 it was pre-arranged there was no problem with it.
Why the issue now?
All these greivence's you have could have been aired at Congress by delegates.
But not ONE delegate put thier hand up and questioned it.
Congress at fault not Dublin's.
This is just Donegal led by the likes of Jim McGuinness trying to create a belated story, to whip up a 'them v us' narrative."]Here we go with this Parnell park rubbish again, the last time ye played there in the championship was 2004 against London, it has never been or never will be Dublin's home ground. Nobody was sure who would be in what group for this stage of the competition so no objections were made at Congress. Donegal did recently as it effects them the most and fair play to them for doing so.

I'm sure if the 'rules' stated that teams playing Dublin had to have one hand tied behind there back then you wouldn't have a problem with that either.

That's the issue the rules are favouring one team over the other 7 at this stage of the competition, but it'll be changed hopefully for next year."]If there was any problem with it, it should be aired when the fixtures are designed in Congresss.
Why are people in GAA so reactionary after the fact?

'The NCT syndrome' - don't get the car fixed fail wait for the problems to show - then fix themselv
Again it is already known that Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground.
Croke Park is a neutral venue, but the DCB now rent Croke Park.

This is not new. Congress at fault.
Let's be honest if Dublin played Donegal in Ballybofey twice they would more then likely still win anyway.
This is just creating hype for the game and stir interest that is all.
Fellas like Jim Mc playing mind games as usual."]Why are you chatting about a game in Semple 17 years ago? Kerry don't even play there what does it have to do with anything? Some amount of rubbish in that post."]There was not some amount of rubbish I think you are deliberately missing the point

My point about Semple Stadium and the other grounds was it was arranged plenty of time in advance everyone knew about it.
Fair from been underhanded it is all above board and the Donegal county board/Donegal fans should be ashamed of themselves if they felt that strongly about it why not mention it at congress?
Donegal fans now only mention it because it affects them?
I'm alright jack until they decide to notice it?
In reality Donegal will have no problem playing in Croke Park they will enjoy it.
The whole issue has been disingenuously been blown out of proportion by Donegal when it suits them.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 12/07/2018 10:22:12    2120907

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Worst case scenario out of this appeal is that next year we may see some meaningful change to the roster. Put on an extra concert in Croke park on the day the dubs were due to play their ''Croke park'' match and the GAA will come out of it ok. The dubs supporters would like to travel. The Dublin team don't mind where they play if league form has anything to go by.

That would leave only one outstanding issue. Would the sponsors be happy seeing their teams run out in a pitch without corporate boxes in them?

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3854 - 12/07/2018 11:28:54    2120934

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Replying To Joxer:  "Certainly not. We've more silver than Mexico now. 2014 spurned us on to a 3 in a row. It was just the tonic so will live long in the memory as a watershed moment for this team."
It seems that the only team without fear of the Dubs in croker is Monaghan.

Mona1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 21 - 12/07/2018 11:38:24    2120941

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Worst case scenario out of this appeal is that next year we may see some meaningful change to the roster. Put on an extra concert in Croke park on the day the dubs were due to play their ''Croke park'' match and the GAA will come out of it ok. The dubs supporters would like to travel. The Dublin team don't mind where they play if league form has anything to go by.

That would leave only one outstanding issue. Would the sponsors be happy seeing their teams run out in a pitch without corporate boxes in them?"
I agree with this post .
Those Coroporate Box crowd always annoy me when they are just there to turn up for an 'event' but on the other side of it is more money for the grassroots.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 12/07/2018 20:17:22    2121120

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Replying To Mona1:  "It seems that the only team without fear of the Dubs in croker is Monaghan."
Remind us of your record there again?

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 12/07/2018 21:00:28    2121139

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Replying To Mona1:  "It seems that the only team without fear of the Dubs in croker is Monaghan."
You were lucky to be level at the throw in last year:)

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 12/07/2018 22:00:19    2121158

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The Big Smoke's legacy as suggested by McGuinness is tarnished. It is what it is.

As mentioned in another thread, the promotional event that is the Spring Series has created a new dynamic over recent years.

The GAA should have looked at moving the old All-Ireland quarter-finals back out to neutral venues e.g. 2001.

With this new group stage format, these neutral venue games should be in a neutral county venue.

Kerry and Galway should be playing in a more accessible venue for both counties. Croke Park should return to being used for the semi-finals and final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9187 - 14/07/2018 10:23:56    2121509

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Worst case scenario out of this appeal is that next year we may see some meaningful change to the roster. Put on an extra concert in Croke park on the day the dubs were due to play their ''Croke park'' match and the GAA will come out of it ok. The dubs supporters would like to travel. The Dublin team don't mind where they play if league form has anything to go by.

That would leave only one outstanding issue. Would the sponsors be happy seeing their teams run out in a pitch without corporate boxes in them?"
As long as the rest of the country backs each other Dublin will be put playing in whatever ground yous want.

It's been the same for years in Leinster. Dublin could be made play every single Leinster championship match in Longford if that is what is wanted by the other Leinster counties. Nothing that anyone else can do about it. It has been true for years but the other Leinster Counties County Boards have major difficulties with organising parties in breweries it seems.

Same goes now for everyone else. It was clear and obvious that voting for the Super 8s as it was presented meant giving Dublin 2 home games. Hopefully Donegal taking a stand this year and raising the issue will galvanise the county boards to do the right thing and get it sorted for next season.

But it shouldn't be forgotten that this mess is everyone's making. No one should be blaming "Croke Park" or the "top brass" or whatever. It was county board delegates from every county that dropped the ball on this one.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13840 - 14/07/2018 11:03:20    2121522

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The Big Smoke's legacy as suggested by McGuinness is tarnished. It is what it is.

As mentioned in another thread, the promotional event that is the Spring Series has created a new dynamic over recent years.

The GAA should have looked at moving the old All-Ireland quarter-finals back out to neutral venues e.g. 2001.

With this new group stage format, these neutral venue games should be in a neutral county venue.

Kerry and Galway should be playing in a more accessible venue for both counties. Croke Park should return to being used for the semi-finals and final."
Comments like this secure our legacy to be honest and also helps to perpetuate the aura that surrounds this team.

Its cause and effect, to turn a metaphor on its head, this Dublin team has turned Kerry football and the majority of the Kerry posters on here into startled earwigs.

Its a thing of beauty.

We will do what we do, stick to our process and look to our own, its our way and all that matters really.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4529 - 14/07/2018 11:58:57    2121532

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The Big Smoke's legacy as suggested by McGuinness is tarnished. It is what it is.

As mentioned in another thread, the promotional event that is the Spring Series has created a new dynamic over recent years.

The GAA should have looked at moving the old All-Ireland quarter-finals back out to neutral venues e.g. 2001.

With this new group stage format, these neutral venue games should be in a neutral county venue.

Kerry and Galway should be playing in a more accessible venue for both counties. Croke Park should return to being used for the semi-finals and final."
You're grasping at straws, Mr Hurling-Province.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 385 - 14/07/2018 12:20:51    2121537

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Replying To MesAmis:  "As long as the rest of the country backs each other Dublin will be put playing in whatever ground yous want.

It's been the same for years in Leinster. Dublin could be made play every single Leinster championship match in Longford if that is what is wanted by the other Leinster counties. Nothing that anyone else can do about it. It has been true for years but the other Leinster Counties County Boards have major difficulties with organising parties in breweries it seems.

Same goes now for everyone else. It was clear and obvious that voting for the Super 8s as it was presented meant giving Dublin 2 home games. Hopefully Donegal taking a stand this year and raising the issue will galvanise the county boards to do the right thing and get it sorted for next season.

But it shouldn't be forgotten that this mess is everyone's making. No one should be blaming "Croke Park" or the "top brass" or whatever. It was county board delegates from every county that dropped the ball on this one."
Yeah, that's very true. Fair play for proper constructive conversation.

All the county boards voted for this structure. Beano on Newstalk was the only one to speak out against it.

County boards have to put up or shut up. Donegal started speaking because they are on the wrong side of it. To be fair Donegal are asking the questions constructively. There are many counties in a similar position who would be too weak to ask the question.

The structure was agreed for this year. It is what it is. The next congress will be time to put up or shut up.

Tyrone and the Big Smoke once brought a motion for a Champions Round where the winners would advance to the semi-finals and the losers would take on two qualifiers in the quarter-finals. I agreed with it but it didn't gain support at congress.

Interestingly, the Super 8 games this week are essentially the Champions Round and Qualifier Round 5 envisaged by Tyrone and the Big Smoke. The group stage and the next two rounds are obviously different.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9187 - 14/07/2018 12:32:36    2121540

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The Big Smoke's legacy as suggested by McGuinness is tarnished. It is what it is.

As mentioned in another thread, the promotional event that is the Spring Series has created a new dynamic over recent years.

The GAA should have looked at moving the old All-Ireland quarter-finals back out to neutral venues e.g. 2001.

With this new group stage format, these neutral venue games should be in a neutral county venue.

Kerry and Galway should be playing in a more accessible venue for both counties. Croke Park should return to being used for the semi-finals and final."
We play where all of the rest of the counties tell us to play. In looking at our away record, if the other counties told us to play in outer Mongolia, it wouldn't upset the winning rhythm of this team. Our record speaks for itself. It is what it is. Whingers gonna whinge. Winners gonna win.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 14/07/2018 12:36:48    2121541

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Replying To MesAmis:  "As long as the rest of the country backs each other Dublin will be put playing in whatever ground yous want.

It's been the same for years in Leinster. Dublin could be made play every single Leinster championship match in Longford if that is what is wanted by the other Leinster counties. Nothing that anyone else can do about it. It has been true for years but the other Leinster Counties County Boards have major difficulties with organising parties in breweries it seems.

Same goes now for everyone else. It was clear and obvious that voting for the Super 8s as it was presented meant giving Dublin 2 home games. Hopefully Donegal taking a stand this year and raising the issue will galvanise the county boards to do the right thing and get it sorted for next season.

But it shouldn't be forgotten that this mess is everyone's making. No one should be blaming "Croke Park" or the "top brass" or whatever. It was county board delegates from every county that dropped the ball on this one."
I agree with u that it is an issue that should have been addressed at Congress, the point I made clearly was the issue of big money wagging the dog as being the deciding factor at the moment.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3854 - 14/07/2018 13:09:32    2121548

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Replying To MesAmis:  "As long as the rest of the country backs each other Dublin will be put playing in whatever ground yous want.

It's been the same for years in Leinster. Dublin could be made play every single Leinster championship match in Longford if that is what is wanted by the other Leinster counties. Nothing that anyone else can do about it. It has been true for years but the other Leinster Counties County Boards have major difficulties with organising parties in breweries it seems.

Same goes now for everyone else. It was clear and obvious that voting for the Super 8s as it was presented meant giving Dublin 2 home games. Hopefully Donegal taking a stand this year and raising the issue will galvanise the county boards to do the right thing and get it sorted for next season.

But it shouldn't be forgotten that this mess is everyone's making. No one should be blaming "Croke Park" or the "top brass" or whatever. It was county board delegates from every county that dropped the ball on this one."
Your one of the few dubs that seems to accept the having 2 home games isn't fair and needs to be changed but it is absolutely croke park and top brass at fault here. It was spoken about at congress as 1 home 1 away and 1 neutral.

These things can be changed over night but the Gaa is more focused on money.

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 260 - 14/07/2018 13:29:23    2121553

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