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Replying To topdownfan:  "Honestly can't believe how lucky Tyrone where tonight, typical of them , how was canavagh not given a black card , how where Meath not given a penalty , how was that not a free in at the end for Meath ,,, really feel for Meath , let's just hope the draw isn't to kind to Tyrone"
Yes, I really would like another crack at Down, I feel we went easy on you last year. As for being lucky, if any of the forwards with the exception of McAliskey, had actually packed their shooting boots for the journey to Navan, then we would have been out of sight early on, the fact that we didn't coupled with Meaths doggedness made it a tougher assignment altogether.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 10/06/2018 09:33:44    2109271

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Replying To lambofgod:  "Is it just me or was the ref not terrible for both teams? I know the final decision went against Meath but there was numerous occasions were Tyrone failed to get an obvious free or where the advantage rule was not applied when they were straight through on goal."
Yes could have given tyrone a peno and probably the worst decisipm the whole game was npt tp allow Tyrone the advantage when they were in for a great goal chance he called it back for an impossible free. He was bad to both teams. He has had many a bad game in club football here too but find it funny the uproar now when how many games through the years have had refs having bad games. Theres 2 or 3 Meath refs who have numerous bad games a year and i never see the out cry for ref to be banned like wjats happening last 24 hours. One poster basically said here its lucky he and others couldnt get out of the stand at him thats a disgraceful comment. As bad an as all he may be violence towards him or any ref is never the right answer

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 10/06/2018 09:55:09    2109280

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should have been a free at the end but as we have decided any contact is now a free in gaa,with players diving etc dont be surprised that we've gone down the soccer route of getting some and not getting some

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 10/06/2018 09:59:53    2109283

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Ref was poor for both teams poor use of advantage for Tyrone and then denied Meath later on. Remember Tyrone losing after extra time on a few occasions so I can sympathise with Meath. I do not see why there could not be replays and it would have been deserved by Meath. Tyrone dominated the first half but Meath really impressed with the direct running and shooting in both half's. A win in a good Championship game with players to come back should help Tyrone but so far this year it has not been going well and performances need to improve.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1792 - 10/06/2018 10:26:33    2109295

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Replying To lambofgod:  "Is it just me or was the ref not terrible for both teams? I know the final decision went against Meath but there was numerous occasions were Tyrone failed to get an obvious free or where the advantage rule was not applied when they were straight through on goal."
Yes you are correct. He was just as bad for both teams but the final decision is what people will talk about. Loads of poor decisions. Complete lack of consistency all day.

He blew for the free on McAlliskey when he offloaded and they were in. He probably knew he made a blunder blowing for the free too early. Tyrone then missed the free.

Gave a free out against McCann for a throw ball when his arm was pulled.

McShane was cleaned at one stage, no free or advantage, then gives him a free 5 seconds later when there isn't one.

He was just as bad for both.

HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 523 - 10/06/2018 10:42:04    2109300

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Hard luck to Meath, great fight shown. Would have been good for them to win, a bit of a boost for Leinster football. I'm not sure about the big outcry over the ref. Tyrone were denied an advantage when clean through on goal, had he given that none of the rest may have mattered. Couple of dodgy Meath refs doing the rounds too let's not forget.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 10/06/2018 10:46:22    2109307

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DIsapponting result yesterday evening happy to see the players give it their all as that's all you can ask as a fan as they're all much better footballers then I ever was.

Tyrone possibly could of been out of sight in the first half with a couple of goal chances that they didn't take. Second half felt Meath were much the better team and unfortunately Ben Brennans free coming off the post near the end. For the equalising point to come from the middle of the pitch inside our own 45m line is something which will surely annoy Andy allowing someone that late in the game space there. Poor in the first half of extra time, seemed very flat almost as if the draw felt like a defeat for the players. Just like normal time great fight back in the second half but ultimately just like last year came up just short.

On the ref since everyone else is giving an opinion. I thought he was poor overall is understanding of the advantage rule seemed non existent for both teams and while infuriating at least consistent throughout the game. The possible penalty from where I was on the terrace i couldn't tell if it was inside or not as even the replays at normal speed its very close and in them instances the ref nearly always goes safe and gives the free. The 'free' at the end he didn't give was hard to take as it's something he had be blowing for all game and then deciding not too makes it even more annoying that is interpretation of the advantage rule.

Andy Mc Entee is a passionate man about Meath football but yesterday in the heat of the moment he lost his cool probably a mixture of the ref and his own team not seeing the game out.

Hopefully next year we can get more to commit and build a stronger squad without too many leaving from this year. Best of luck to everyone still in the championship for the summer going to be a long one for meath supporters knocked out by the 9th of June.

shrek95 (Meath) - Posts: 77 - 10/06/2018 11:00:30    2109316

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People need to lay off McEntee for going to the referee after the match, its a passionate game. He is not a robot, he has seen the big calls in the game go against his team including at least 2 obvious wrong and potentially decisive calls and now his team are out. This was immediately after the match and he was emotional. I saw the referee walking around the car park behind the stand with his other officials about 45 minutes after the match (it took that long to get out of the car park) and from what I saw he got no hassle from the Meath supporters or Meath players (they were there after the game) as everyone reacts differently when they cool down.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 10/06/2018 11:20:18    2109326

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "People need to lay off McEntee for going to the referee after the match, its a passionate game. He is not a robot, he has seen the big calls in the game go against his team including at least 2 obvious wrong and potentially decisive calls and now his team are out. This was immediately after the match and he was emotional. I saw the referee walking around the car park behind the stand with his other officials about 45 minutes after the match (it took that long to get out of the car park) and from what I saw he got no hassle from the Meath supporters or Meath players (they were there after the game) as everyone reacts differently when they cool down."
well said

thecraw1 (Meath) - Posts: 106 - 10/06/2018 11:33:10    2109331

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "People need to lay off McEntee for going to the referee after the match, its a passionate game. He is not a robot, he has seen the big calls in the game go against his team including at least 2 obvious wrong and potentially decisive calls and now his team are out. This was immediately after the match and he was emotional. I saw the referee walking around the car park behind the stand with his other officials about 45 minutes after the match (it took that long to get out of the car park) and from what I saw he got no hassle from the Meath supporters or Meath players (they were there after the game) as everyone reacts differently when they cool down."
Of course they do. I am normally very calm person, but those calls were out of the ordinary mistakes,, if I saw th ref after things had calmed down I would have said he got them wrong. But shook his hand and wished him a safe journey home. However in the immediate aftermath I wouldn't have been so consolidated, I actually wasn't. And let's say some profanity were directed at him after the whistle. Something again I would normally never do.
So well said. We are out of championship and nothing changes that, it's just hard to take that not one but two calls were blatantly wrong. Andy reaction was natural and shows the passion he has for Meath. Btw the unity and purpose and total togetherness of this Meath team is something to behold .
One final thing , the old warrior micky burke geeing up his team mates and the home crowd before start of second half was absolutely fantastic to see. The esteem this man is held in for his heart on the playing field was shown with the rousing cheering he left field to. I am not sure if we will see Stoney next year , if not thank you from bottom of my heart for all you have given to the cause. You are a legend.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/06/2018 12:51:50    2109359

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Tyrone almost beat themselves and again MH no plan B. McAlliskey was good in first 15-20 mins but after that when the chips were down he totally bottled it like a few other Tyrone players and they were lucky to get away with that one. On the referee I really don't get this discussion - I watched the game and thought Meath got a lot of handy frees. They also hauled down many Tyrone players rugby style and never got blacks. The ref also didn't play the advantage rule - now it affected both sides but particularly Tyrone near the end. In saying all that it's good to see a so called minnow bring one of the big 4 to the wire. However I also think based on the evidence of past 2 games I think MH and his team cannot be counted in this bracket any longer.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 10/06/2018 13:24:37    2109370

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Look lads and lassies.

Of course Meath should have had a free in the last 30 seconds. Appalling decision.

However for the so called Meath penalty, referee decision was correct. A Meath forward had been fould 5 seconds earler at the edge of the square. Referree raised his arm for advantage and when score didint follow he is obliged to give free from first foul position. So just a free and no penalty. Correct decision.

BTW we cannot be too smug about refereeing standards in Meath.

One particular intercount Royal referee has had three (3) separate red cards rescinded in the past decade. All occurred in provincial finals.

Another deprived Kerry of a certain free in the dying seconds of 2016 AI Semi Final against Dublin.

Also enough said about Kerry/Mayo in Limerick,

So people in glass houses etc.

Up the Royal forever.

Ibbecek (Meath) - Posts: 196 - 10/06/2018 14:25:01    2109398

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What Tyrone done to us yesterday, is what we done to scores of teams throughout the 80s and 90s, there was bitching and moaning galore, we were there worst in the world and so on. But, we didn't care because we marched on, we were winners and that's what the game is all about, being a galorious loser means nothing and now the tables have turned.

I'm not having a go at our lads, I genuinely feel for them, it was a heart breaking loss, but for all the Meath fans blaming the ref, give it a rest lads. We're gone because we simply didn't know how to close out the game but look, this is still a young project, give the players and management a chance.

Well done to Tyrone, they showed great bottle and got the result, can't ask for any more than that.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 10/06/2018 15:25:03    2109425

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Replying To shrek95:  "DIsapponting result yesterday evening happy to see the players give it their all as that's all you can ask as a fan as they're all much better footballers then I ever was.

Tyrone possibly could of been out of sight in the first half with a couple of goal chances that they didn't take. Second half felt Meath were much the better team and unfortunately Ben Brennans free coming off the post near the end. For the equalising point to come from the middle of the pitch inside our own 45m line is something which will surely annoy Andy allowing someone that late in the game space there. Poor in the first half of extra time, seemed very flat almost as if the draw felt like a defeat for the players. Just like normal time great fight back in the second half but ultimately just like last year came up just short.

On the ref since everyone else is giving an opinion. I thought he was poor overall is understanding of the advantage rule seemed non existent for both teams and while infuriating at least consistent throughout the game. The possible penalty from where I was on the terrace i couldn't tell if it was inside or not as even the replays at normal speed its very close and in them instances the ref nearly always goes safe and gives the free. The 'free' at the end he didn't give was hard to take as it's something he had be blowing for all game and then deciding not too makes it even more annoying that is interpretation of the advantage rule.

Andy Mc Entee is a passionate man about Meath football but yesterday in the heat of the moment he lost his cool probably a mixture of the ref and his own team not seeing the game out.

Hopefully next year we can get more to commit and build a stronger squad without too many leaving from this year. Best of luck to everyone still in the championship for the summer going to be a long one for meath supporters knocked out by the 9th of June."
So if the Galway Roscommon ref is bad does that make it ok cause Roscommon ref robbed us?? I am genuinely trying to see the logic here. Let's assume gaugh is ref in that game or a game Roscommon are in this year and he totally robs them, does that make it even? Should they not complain cause there co ref made a balls of a match involving Meath and Tyrone?? I am
Genuinely curious how cause of what refs from Meath may have done should entitle others to do same to us? Is that now the standard we set for refs in the gaa?? Please tell me it is not. Cause if it is , I'm finished with the gaa.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/06/2018 20:21:21    2109549

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So it wasn't a penalty. Will McEntee come out and apologise to the ref? Think not

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 10/06/2018 22:11:40    2109612

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Replying To royaldunne:  "So if the Galway Roscommon ref is bad does that make it ok cause Roscommon ref robbed us?? I am genuinely trying to see the logic here. Let's assume gaugh is ref in that game or a game Roscommon are in this year and he totally robs them, does that make it even? Should they not complain cause there co ref made a balls of a match involving Meath and Tyrone?? I am
Genuinely curious how cause of what refs from Meath may have done should entitle others to do same to us? Is that now the standard we set for refs in the gaa?? Please tell me it is not. Cause if it is , I'm finished with the gaa."
It's David coldrick rd a good ref and a Meath man hopefully he has a good game like gough last year

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1792 - 10/06/2018 22:33:16    2109631

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "So it wasn't a penalty. Will McEntee come out and apologise to the ref? Think not"
of course he won't...maybe we should offer them a replay..the whinging is deafening at this stage...remember 96 and when we were told to dry our eyes...the shoe is on the other foot now

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 11/06/2018 00:03:57    2109668

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Ref's seem very reluctant to be in charge of an "upset". A week ago Tipp hurlers were expected (in the eyes of the bookies) to have a handy win due to Waterford being struck with a string of injured players. Waterford were robbed in most peoples eyes. Tyrone were 2/7 to win this fixture as they are considered a top 4 side (by the bookies) . Meath were robbed. I think refs are afraid they are having a bad game if the "outsider" is winning, same in club games.

giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1274 - 11/06/2018 07:16:10    2109694

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The ref did not beat Meath. They bottled it themselves and part of the blame must lie with McEntee.

The free that hit the post and the poor defending to allow Tyrone to equalise are what lost Meath the game.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 11/06/2018 07:25:57    2109695

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Replying To OhtobeARossie:  "It's David coldrick rd a good ref and a Meath man hopefully he has a good game like gough last year"
Now all slagging aside. Do you see the logic in what some are saying? That cause a Meath ref made a balls of a game between kerry and mayo, that it's alright for another ref to do same in game involving Meath. And no one can complain. Honestly how the hell does that make sense. ??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/06/2018 08:02:52    2109702

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