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It's so so ironic seeing a Dublin fan slate negative football!

Their kickout strategy in the 00s when they couldn't compete with Laois in the air was the start of the decline in the most iconic skill in Gaelic football.

They then bridged their famine period that was economically unexplainable by playing a defensive game in 2011 (albeit that still required some very very favourable officiating in the final).

It's a bit rich to be jumping on the high horse now. Remind me - how much did Tyrone hammer past them in 08??

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5251 - 04/06/2018 21:07:05    2107439

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Replying To neverright:  "Teams enter competitions with the intention of trying to win as many games as possible. No player, or indeed fan, gets any enjoyment out of losing. Players are not paid entertainers with an obligation to entertain fans who, of their own volition, choose to go to watch games."
This has to be the most depressing post I have ever read. Its the reason why I and an awful lot of other player have stopped playing the game.

Do you honestly believe that any player enjoys playing this type of football?

Fermanagh supporters were happy campers yesterday but do you think they like watching their team play like this all year round?

Your right though about this not being a professional sport. That would mean that results are everything. Our games are meant to be enjoyable and entertaining precisely because they are amateur.

lambofgod (Mayo) - Posts: 116 - 04/06/2018 21:14:57    2107444

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Replying To lambofgod:  "This has to be the most depressing post I have ever read. Its the reason why I and an awful lot of other player have stopped playing the game.

Do you honestly believe that any player enjoys playing this type of football?

Fermanagh supporters were happy campers yesterday but do you think they like watching their team play like this all year round?

Your right though about this not being a professional sport. That would mean that results are everything. Our games are meant to be enjoyable and entertaining precisely because they are amateur."
A Mayo fan saying winning isn't important makes sense at least

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 442 - 04/06/2018 21:38:34    2107453

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Replying To greatpoint:  "A Mayo fan saying winning isn't important makes sense at least"
Please explain.

Win, lose or draw we have been involved in some the most entertaining games to have been played over the past couple of decades.

lambofgod (Mayo) - Posts: 116 - 04/06/2018 22:11:18    2107467

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Replying To lambofgod:  "This has to be the most depressing post I have ever read. Its the reason why I and an awful lot of other player have stopped playing the game.

Do you honestly believe that any player enjoys playing this type of football?

Fermanagh supporters were happy campers yesterday but do you think they like watching their team play like this all year round?

Your right though about this not being a professional sport. That would mean that results are everything. Our games are meant to be enjoyable and entertaining precisely because they are amateur."
It gives me no satisfaction to see a Mayo poster accepting that winning is beyond them. With a defeatist like attitude like that how can you ever hope to capture Sam again? BTW where does it say that football games have to be entertaining?

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 04/06/2018 22:53:58    2107491

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Unreal how the Mayo/Galway/Roscommon triangle of rivalry appear to take over every thread in this forum - yawn!!!
Back to the actual thread title, I am even more disappointed today with the Monaghan team performance - I suppose resilience has to be the mantra for the Farney followers. Drew played with passion & had a super impact on the game. I disagreed with the operational midfield pairing of O'Connell & Kearns - we needed experience in the midfield & I think it was too much for Kearns. Malachy needs to pair up according to the opposition.
I don't understand the criticism of McAbespie, think he had a stellar game once again.
Anyway, with a dispondant heart, I look forward to the draw next week, but the reality is I will be behind the team all the way, for however far we go. Enjoy the drama of the championship everyone!

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 04/06/2018 23:00:43    2107494

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Replying To lambofgod:  "This has to be the most depressing post I have ever read. Its the reason why I and an awful lot of other player have stopped playing the game.

Do you honestly believe that any player enjoys playing this type of football?

Fermanagh supporters were happy campers yesterday but do you think they like watching their team play like this all year round?

Your right though about this not being a professional sport. That would mean that results are everything. Our games are meant to be enjoyable and entertaining precisely because they are amateur."
Ive been to every game this year bar one. You tell me if I enjoyed it or not?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 04/06/2018 23:05:59    2107497

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Replying To neverright:  "It gives me no satisfaction to see a Mayo poster accepting that winning is beyond them. With a defeatist like attitude like that how can you ever hope to capture Sam again? BTW where does it say that football games have to be entertaining?"
If there's no entertainment in it fans are just going to turn away obviously. The match yesterday was difficult to watch as are plenty of others. I certainly don't blame Fermanagh for playing like this, it got the job done and fair play to them. If my own county had a management team that could get the players to play like that and get similar results id be happy enough, but it's not pretty to watch and it's difficult to promote the game when this is the quality on offer.

Royalace (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 04/06/2018 23:29:09    2107499

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Replying To neverright:  "It gives me no satisfaction to see a Mayo poster accepting that winning is beyond them. With a defeatist like attitude like that how can you ever hope to capture Sam again? BTW where does it say that football games have to be entertaining?"
Mayo well capable of winning Sam this year as are Kerry and Galway. Dublin are a wonderful team but they are beatable.
Imagine Galway won Sam before Mayo!

salvador (Roscommon) - Posts: 439 - 04/06/2018 23:37:14    2107504

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Replying To lambofgod:  "Please explain.

Win, lose or draw we have been involved in some the most entertaining games to have been played over the past couple of decades."
Give it a rest. We get it, you thought it wasn't entertaining. Would you rather have been watching Kerry rack up a massive score against Clare? Fermanagh did what was needed to win and it paid off perfectly. If they went out to play 'attractive' football they would most likely be well beat (they lost by 9 points last year) Their objective was to prevent scores first and put pressure on Monaghan....They only thing that was disappointing is that Monaghan let this happen. It wasn't a surprise....Ask Armagh.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 05/06/2018 09:56:14    2107567

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Replying To lambofgod:  "Please explain.

Win, lose or draw we have been involved in some the most entertaining games to have been played over the past couple of decades."
So you think Mayo play attractive football? better go to specsavers mo chara,if you want an exhibition of kicking wides and diving just go see Mayo trying to play Gaelic football. Fermanagh found a way to win,Mayo find a way to lose, consistently, glad you are happy with that.
I was delighted for Fermanagh, I'm no fan of RG but was happy for him too, and Monaghan will regroup and have a lot to say in the race for Sam yet this year, taking nothing away from Fermanagh but Monaghan can do alot better than they showed yesterday.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3201 - 05/06/2018 11:07:08    2107603

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Replying To lambofgod:  "This has to be the most depressing post I have ever read. Its the reason why I and an awful lot of other player have stopped playing the game.

Do you honestly believe that any player enjoys playing this type of football?

Fermanagh supporters were happy campers yesterday but do you think they like watching their team play like this all year round?

Your right though about this not being a professional sport. That would mean that results are everything. Our games are meant to be enjoyable and entertaining precisely because they are amateur."
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I actually think there is issue with the way football is judged in this country. Not many people gave Fermanagh a chance of winning on sunday (myself included) but they employed a defensive game plan which they believed gave them the best chance of winning the game and it paid off. Was it a pretty game to watch? No, but Fermanagh have never won an Ulster title in their history and now have their best ever chance of doing so as you would have to give them a decent chance against Down or Donegal in the final.

In other sports you have teams that employ different type of tactics whether they be attack minded, defensive or counter attacking etc. and this is accepted but when it comes to GAA it seems a lot of people are stuck in the past wanting a "traditional type" game to play out. If every team plays the same 15 v 15 "traditional type" game who do you think that will favour? It's not gonna suit the underdog and the likelihood of shock results would be even lower than it is now. Teams/managements are judged on results and it's up to county boards to appoint managers that get the best results for their county with a style of football they are happy with. Fermanagh have found that in Rory Gallagher.

The only issue I would have is when defensive tactics are employed by underage teams as this is not going to bring the best out of these young lads and could impact their development. If a rule change were to happen at some stage in the future I think maybe changing underage games to 13 a side up until under 16 would be a way of reducing the chance of ultra defensive game plans being used as unlike senior football underage is not about results.

The major issue with intercounty football at the moment isn't the use of defensive tactics but the actual structure of the championship. The hurling is going great guns at them moment and that's because you have the best teams playing each other every week. I do think the super 8's will silence the critics of football somewhat when it starts but you would be hoping that this is the start of a complete restructuring of the championship layout.

Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 05/06/2018 11:25:04    2107617

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A huge result for Fermanagh and congratulations to them. Rory and Ricey are a good combination. I would say that the players do be ready to burst out the door. They are a very well drilled and disciplined outfit. The centre half back, McMahon gave a tactical masterclass. He manned his area brilliantly and moved defenders around to keep the door shut on Monaghan.

That said, Monaghan were unlucky. The goal was a real sucker punch at the end. Had Monaghan won we'd all have them as red hot favorites for Ulster. They'd have come through a tight game despite not being at their best etc etc etc.

We have Down this weekend and we won't be taking them lightly. Down have that uncanny ability to rise up out of nowhere and deliver a performance to beat any team. But I think if our lads are focused and our main men are at it then we'll hopefully come through with a few points to spare. Until we do so, there's no point in talking about a Fermanagh Donegal final and the whole Rory Gallagher sideshow.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9772 - 05/06/2018 13:21:28    2107665

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Open the back door for the Mons

kanu (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 05/06/2018 20:04:23    2107833

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Replying To greysoil:  "Unreal how the Mayo/Galway/Roscommon triangle of rivalry appear to take over every thread in this forum - yawn!!!
Back to the actual thread title, I am even more disappointed today with the Monaghan team performance - I suppose resilience has to be the mantra for the Farney followers. Drew played with passion & had a super impact on the game. I disagreed with the operational midfield pairing of O'Connell & Kearns - we needed experience in the midfield & I think it was too much for Kearns. Malachy needs to pair up according to the opposition.
I don't understand the criticism of McAbespie, think he had a stellar game once again.
Anyway, with a dispondant heart, I look forward to the draw next week, but the reality is I will be behind the team all the way, for however far we go. Enjoy the drama of the championship everyone!"
That's the spirit !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 05/06/2018 23:18:38    2107899

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Replying To kanu:  "Open the back door for the Mons"
Would be particularly delighted to meet you lot !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 05/06/2018 23:24:51    2107902

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "Would be particularly delighted to meet you lot !"
Would love to get the neighbours too ....

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 06/06/2018 08:49:31    2107945

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Just watched the game back. How the hell did Kieran Hughes stay on the pitch?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 06/06/2018 09:36:45    2107955

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Just watched the game back. How the hell did Kieran Hughes stay on the pitch?"
Don't go there

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 06/06/2018 10:35:59    2107970

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Don't go there"
Go where? Kieran Hughes took mccusker out of it dangerously on his blind side. He could have done serious damage to him.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 06/06/2018 10:46:12    2107972

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