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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Horse I'd expect Coffey and Shanahan to swap positions what you think?
I like the team there is a good mix youth and experience and I'd expect that team to draw a big crowd due to pure curiosity, I'm looking forward to it now." Aye, hopefully we will all be saying in 20 years I was there the day Clifford played his first senior game. But sport is funny, for all we know it will O'Se or Murphy we are saying that about in years to come!
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/01/2018 22:51:38
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Over half this panel a are under twenty bodes well but ya I'd expect Coffey and Shanahan to swop same in the full back line I'd imagine that Enright will take McBreaty regardless - but what's really like is he has gone for 6 forwards no hanging back, all six front players are scores and not defenders burns and O'Se will be interesting and all three in the half forward line have pase as does midfield - we have struggled in key positions last year, Keeper, full back Line, midfield and more to the point the half forward line in come Murphy in goals Foley at full back pace on the centre in Brendan O'Sullivan for his first start for Kerry at National League level his only start so far was the McGrath Cup the main line in trouble last year was the half forward line in come youth, pace and scoring power in the the three picked.... an attacking style is now expected should be really interesting
Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 26/01/2018 23:00:34
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Replying To TheHermit: "Aye, hopefully we will all be saying in 20 years I was there the day Clifford played his first senior game. But sport is funny, for all we know it will O'Se or Murphy we are saying that about in years to come!" I was saying the same thing to realdub over the main page the other day the hermit, we're All expecting David Clifford to be the man but it could be one of the other guys.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/01/2018 23:31:43
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Over half this panel a are under twenty bodes well but ya I'd expect Coffey and Shanahan to swop same in the full back line I'd imagine that Enright will take McBreaty regardless - but what's really like is he has gone for 6 forwards no hanging back, all six front players are scores and not defenders burns and O'Se will be interesting and all three in the half forward line have pase as does midfield - we have struggled in key positions last year, Keeper, full back Line, midfield and more to the point the half forward line in come Murphy in goals Foley at full back pace on the centre in Brendan O'Sullivan for his first start for Kerry at National League level his only start so far was the McGrath Cup the main line in trouble last year was the half forward line in come youth, pace and scoring power in the the three picked.... an attacking style is now expected should be really interesting" Ya horse that centre column is very interesting you got foley gavin Crowley jack Barry and Brendan o'Sullivan , seanie Shea and p geaney, like you say lots of speed and our wings look pacey as well and looking forward to see how our subs get on as well.
Also on your other post I've helped to coach a lot of our underage teams never as the main man but as a helper and I have massive respect for the men that put their heads on the block as it's a lonely spot and the buck stops with ye but you're right as their has to be accountability if things ain't working out.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/01/2018 23:46:25
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Yes lads, if this team can survive and thrive at this level it will solve a lot of our issues. GK, full-back line, midfield and, crucially, the half forward line all look decent.
Very interested to see how Brendan O'Sullivan fares, I hope he and Barry are given most of the League to bed in, same with Murphy I pray we don't go back to this rotating keeper stuff.
As for ye brave men manning the under-age sidelines I hope lads your experience with clubs is that they encourage participation and enjoyment first, winning second! I was a terrible, terrrible hurler, but God be good to the likes of Sonny Egan, whether Crotta were winning or losing a game, he always made sure us lads on the bench were given a chance.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 27/01/2018 10:25:16
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aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 670 - 28/01/2018 15:17:13
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Got out of jail today against 14 men. Donegal do not deserve to be going home with nothing. Kerry wide open at the back again, it's early days though I suppose.
On the plus side the youngsters got a game under their belt, hopefully we can build from here. Sean O'Shea was very good.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2117 - 28/01/2018 16:00:01
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Got out of jail today against 14 men. Donegal do not deserve to be going home with nothing. Kerry wide open at the back again, it's early days though I suppose.
On the plus side the youngsters got a game under their belt, hopefully we can build from here. Sean O'Shea was very good." Yerra 3-14 is an awful score to leak alright, but sure first day out let's not be too critical. It was certainly a match that was value for money! I thought none of the young lads looked out of place which is great, some nice attacking football and sure a win at the end, that's all you can ask at this stage.
Paul Murphy is some class, I think he's really growing into Tomas's legacy, please God they keep him in the half backs where he belongs!
Horse that Brian O'Seanachain is from out your direction, what's the word on him? I'm trying to think when's the last Ballydonoghue man that was on the Kerry team, it's good to see.
Anyone see what happened JOD??
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 28/01/2018 16:28:31
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Heard JOD's leg was heavily strapped after he came off. Hopefully nothing serious
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2117 - 28/01/2018 16:34:58
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Replying To TheHermit: "Yerra 3-14 is an awful score to leak alright, but sure first day out let's not be too critical. It was certainly a match that was value for money! I thought none of the young lads looked out of place which is great, some nice attacking football and sure a win at the end, that's all you can ask at this stage.
Paul Murphy is some class, I think he's really growing into Tomas's legacy, please God they keep him in the half backs where he belongs!
Horse that Brian O'Seanachain is from out your direction, what's the word on him? I'm trying to think when's the last Ballydonoghue man that was on the Kerry team, it's good to see.
Anyone see what happened JOD??" Jason Foley is from Ballydonoghue.
Before him maybe Ger D. O'Connor.
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Replying To Gaa Fan: "Jason Foley is from Ballydonoghue.
Before him maybe Ger D. O'Connor." Ah lads - Liam o'Flaherty Come on how did ye forget that animal - I'll let the dust settle first before I comment on today - surprised though Galway took two points off Tyrone
Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 28/01/2018 22:20:07
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Ah lads - Liam o'Flaherty Come on how did ye forget that animal - I'll let the dust settle first before I comment on today - surprised though Galway took two points off Tyrone" Didn't forget Liam at all, that's the last fella from that parish I remember being on a Kerry side
In fairness for a small club they have produced some amazing player, O'Flahtery, Cus Cremin's, Eddie Dowling, Bob Stack
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 28/01/2018 23:09:45
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Well lads I don't know where to start regarding yesterday's game, I thought we were going to lose before the game then we started brightly and they had Mullins sent off and I thought we'll win now but we never took advantage of having the extra man, I had no idea where foley was playing, our midfield were well beat, I thought our backs were hung out to dry and when our backs were being beat fitz made two changes in the forwards, I was in the stand and I was looking down and there was fitz standing with his hands in his pockets, a few Tralee lads in the crowd were letting a few roars at him to do something.
In fairness the players managed to work it out them selves and daithi Casey made a massive impact when he came on not just with the winning point but his ball carrying skills are brilliant he almost reminds me of Declan o'Sullivan, our young lads did well and will have learned a lot from that game.
I think mayo will beat us on Saturday as they are pretty much at full strength, but hopefully fitzs will play the young lads again just throw them in and let them sink or swim.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/01/2018 11:11:42
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Yeah I wouldn't be putting any money on a Kerry win on Saturday, but getting the two points yesterday means the pressure is off a bit for that game and they can afford to lose. But we need to keep it competitive.
I watched the game back, and what was going on in defence was madness, how can the sideline not see what Donegal were at and try and rectify it? I wouldn't be so hard on midfield, I thought they started well but it was hard when Donegal were crowding the middle and they are such a big, tall side.
Look the positive is we played some lovely attacking football at times and I think our half forward line is going to be immeasurably better this year. But we need to sort out our defence before the League ends or we are going nowhere.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 29/01/2018 12:01:29
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Replying To TheHermit: "Yeah I wouldn't be putting any money on a Kerry win on Saturday, but getting the two points yesterday means the pressure is off a bit for that game and they can afford to lose. But we need to keep it competitive.
I watched the game back, and what was going on in defence was madness, how can the sideline not see what Donegal were at and try and rectify it? I wouldn't be so hard on midfield, I thought they started well but it was hard when Donegal were crowding the middle and they are such a big, tall side.
Look the positive is we played some lovely attacking football at times and I think our half forward line is going to be immeasurably better this year. But we need to sort out our defence before the League ends or we are going nowhere." I know the hermit but cormac Coffey is a wingback not a corner back and you can see that for the second goal by mccleneghan where is position was beside the player trying to maneuver him out instead of getting between the forward and goal.
Shanahan even though he played brilliant in the halfback line would in my opinion have been more suited to cornerback, now we got away with it yesterday but we won't be as lucky against Mayo or Monaghan although like you say getting the 2 points yesterday means we can afford to lose the next two games but hopefully not get hammered.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/01/2018 12:27:45
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Well lads I don't know where to start regarding yesterday's game, I thought we were going to lose before the game then we started brightly and they had Mullins sent off and I thought we'll win now but we never took advantage of having the extra man, I had no idea where foley was playing, our midfield were well beat, I thought our backs were hung out to dry and when our backs were being beat fitz made two changes in the forwards, I was in the stand and I was looking down and there was fitz standing with his hands in his pockets, a few Tralee lads in the crowd were letting a few roars at him to do something.
In fairness the players managed to work it out them selves and daithi Casey made a massive impact when he came on not just with the winning point but his ball carrying skills are brilliant he almost reminds me of Declan o'Sullivan, our young lads did well and will have learned a lot from that game.
I think mayo will beat us on Saturday as they are pretty much at full strength, but hopefully fitzs will play the young lads again just throw them in and let them sink or swim." Exactly. He should stick with young lads V Mayo. Not expecting much out of the game but it would be interesting to see how they fare away from home against one of the top teams
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Replying To aidan64: "Exactly. He should stick with young lads V Mayo. Not expecting much out of the game but it would be interesting to see how they fare away from home against one of the top teams" Ya Aidan these games will be brilliant for the young lads and I know people say oh there confidence could be rattled if they have a bad game but these milenials are a new breed and they have all had the best of of training that we can afford to give them down here.
They are so at ease inside there own heads and it's not like years ago where if you got your arse handed to you in a game you'd be blagarded for a month , these fellas go back to the dressing room and shower and get ready and put on their headphones and disappear into their own worlds.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/01/2018 14:14:20
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Well a lot to ponder depending on ones outlook on life, if one is an optimist ah new blood, good win, great start etc, if one is a pessimist conceding 3-14 at home and could have been 5-14.
Anyway on the team itself, Keeper his kick outs were top notch but he cannot he happy with his defence leaving him exposed for first 2 goals felt he could have done better with third, full back line were very exposed which is frightening considering the history and Mayo in Croker felt that maybe Foley should have stayed inside for his pace with Enright with Coffey between the 21 and 45. Paul Murphy as well unreal, I was glad to see a Shanahan get another stint but as good as he was he should have been in the corner imo, Gavin is a class act but not a centre man and here was where we were exposed. As ye know I am a huge fan of Barry Sullivan and think of the 2 on Sunday he was the pick - his kick passing and ball control was good, Brendan sorry I know I'll be shot here but think he is kerry junior standard but not a starter.
Up front 6 scoring forwards that racked up 2-18 again ye know i'm a huge fan of Seanie Se and Sean O'Seanachian, Seanie has the dream debut wow his control passing and movement is the exact trait we have been lacking since Declan he controlled the game when the ball was played through him but for some reason we stopped for a bit in the second half, also when he gets the ball his instinct is attack attack attack with very ball going forward that's was we need direct play not this side to side lateral rubbish quick fast crisp ball in - of Sunday's starting forwards how many are 2 footed and comfortable off both feet. Stephen was poor in patches but when needed was very preductive, Burns can be happy but we really need to win breaking ball totally cleaned out here totally totally cleaned out. Inside Clifford understandably nervous but I always like his unselfishness always looks for the man better positioned. Paul has become a real leader now for us but feel BJ Keane is a backward step at one stage yesterday he had the ball , Foley on the shoulder but took the Selfish option and ballooned wide...... not good enough
For next Saturday I wouldn't rotate keepers leave Murphy in., hopefully Brian O'Beagleacht is available - Clifford and Crowley have to be managed recovery wise, in the middle I'd plum for Barry Sull and Jack Barry and up front would rather see Killian for Bj Keane. So Murphy, Shanahan, Foley, Enright, O'Beagleacht, Crowley, Murphy, Barry Sull & Jack Barry, Burns, O'Se, O'Brien, Killian Spillane, Geaney, Clifford.
With more game time for Flaherty, O'Seanachain, Daithi, Coffey - would Rob O'Se get a look in- there will be a lot more big ball to the middle but the win allows us breathing space
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Murphy, Shanahan, Foley, Enright, O'Beagleacht, Crowley, Murphy, Barry Sull & Jack Barry, Burns, O'Se, O'Brien, Killian Spillane, Geaney, Clifford
Yeah I like the look of that side Horse although are you not being very harsh on Brendan? It was his first start on the Kerry seniors and it was a difficult assignment up against a lot of big Donegal men crowding the middle. Let's give him another few chances before we see if he is up to this level.
Need to seriously start seeing a proper defensive set-up in place, can't afford to leak scores like that again or we will have no chance of getting a result against anymore sides with good forward units.
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I've been a defender of Eamons on here since I joined HS but the lack of any sort of coherent plan in defence is really worrying. How can he not have learned anything from last year?
I believe the players are good enough with the right system but on Sundays evidence we are not going to find out for sure. Leaving Enright and Coffey man v man the last day when we had an extra man was madness. We could have won well if we weren't so porous at the back.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2117 - 30/01/2018 18:59:27
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