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Replying To TheHermit: "I heard they played us in a challenge game a couple of weeks ago, I assume they'll be a good few Kerry prospects linning out for them as usual, when are they due out in the Seigerson?" I heard that as well the hermit, did you hear what Kerry players are with them by any chance?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 24/01/2018 14:25:10
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Sean O'Shea and Spillane are two anyway, I think they have their first game this week in the Segirson so we should have a better idea then
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Replying To TheHermit: "Sean O'Shea and Spillane are two anyway, I think they have their first game this week in the Segirson so we should have a better idea then" Ah good stuff UCC has been good to Kerry football over the years and hopefully they'll have a good run this year.
I was reading an interview with fitzmaurice there on the main page and he was saying we supporter will have to be patient when it comes to Clifford that he is only 18, well Clifford turned 19 on Monday you'd think his manager would know that much.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 24/01/2018 15:50:43
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I saw that the Kerryman today picked it's team for Sunday:
Brian Kelly
Jason Foley
Shane Enright
Ronan Shanahan
Cormac Coffey
Paul Murphy
Mathew Flaherty
Brendan Sullivan
Jack Barry
Seanie Shea
James O
Steven O Brien
Jack Savage
Paul Geaney
David Clifford
I'm not sure I want to see us stick with Kelly, FB line is worth a shot, I have to say I know little about Coffey and Flaherty - I'm sure lads here know much more?
It is the midfield I would go for, but Barry O'Sullivan looks like a contender as well.
As for the half forwards, hasn't Steven O'Brien been given his chance at this stage? Would we not be better off moving on from the tried and failed to be harsh about it.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 24/01/2018 15:54:30
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Replying To TheHermit: "I saw that the Kerryman today picked it's team for Sunday:
Brian Kelly
Jason Foley
Shane Enright
Ronan Shanahan
Cormac Coffey
Paul Murphy
Mathew Flaherty
Brendan Sullivan
Jack Barry
Seanie Shea
James O
Steven O Brien
Jack Savage
Paul Geaney
David Clifford
I'm not sure I want to see us stick with Kelly, FB line is worth a shot, I have to say I know little about Coffey and Flaherty - I'm sure lads here know much more?
It is the midfield I would go for, but Barry O'Sullivan looks like a contender as well.
As for the half forwards, hasn't Steven O'Brien been given his chance at this stage? Would we not be better off moving on from the tried and failed to be harsh about it." Ya I'll be awful disappointed if Kelly starts in goals. Enright??? Good god. Coffey is super fast and hard hitting, flaherty would run all day good at getting back and going forward , I'd also like to see Barry O'Sullivan get a run with jack Barry.
O'Brien is everything fitz likes in a half forward as he spends more time in his fullback line, I'd like to Casey at centre forward, full forward line is good .
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 24/01/2018 16:52:19
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Going by what is available I'd say the team posted would not be far off the mark, but I'd imagine Murphy will get the nod between the sticks - I'd start Foley at full back and ya would agree with Shanahan and Enright , Murphy would be my number 7 and young Flaherty a 5 but I'd start Andrew Barry at 6 or Gavin Crowley. Midfield I would have Jack Barry and Barry O'Sullivan. Ok we need experience but also this is a chance to blood so I agree a James on the forty flanked by Seanie Se But can see Daithi getting a wing spot here inside Savage, Geaney and Clifford. So by in large bar a few positional switches and one or two
Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 24/01/2018 20:37:43
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That's a decent stab at a team, although i think we were all hoping we'd see Murphy between the sticks for the league. I think I mentioned Flaherty a few pages back as one to watch this year, serious baller and a standout player every time I've seen him, but I'd have him wing forward in place of O'Brien when the likes of White and O'Beaglaoich and O'Sullivan are back available at wing back.
It's very close to what I would have picked given who is available and I'd be very interested to see how they perform on Sunday.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2117 - 25/01/2018 00:46:17
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "That's a decent stab at a team, although i think we were all hoping we'd see Murphy between the sticks for the league. I think I mentioned Flaherty a few pages back as one to watch this year, serious baller and a standout player every time I've seen him, but I'd have him wing forward in place of O'Brien when the likes of White and O'Beaglaoich and O'Sullivan are back available at wing back.
It's very close to what I would have picked given who is available and I'd be very interested to see how they perform on Sunday." Ya Gerry had to disagree I'd say as some say a weakened team was I disagree I hope these young guns put it up the the so called regulars and make them fight for the jersey, it bodes well in my opinion
Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 25/01/2018 20:47:35
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So lads the key word for this years league and championship campaigns is "patience "
Every article I read from all the former and present Kerry greats is "patients " , now I was never the most patient man but if fitzmaurice gives youth its chance and doesn't at the first sign of adversity return to old trid and failed then this Kerry fan will be "patient " I know it can take young lads time to bed in and find their feet at senior level but when you look at former minors from other teams that played against our minor winners mccglenehan and bán Gallagher from Donegal, finnerty daly and o'cellaigh from Galway , your man Kennedy with Tipperary and powter with cork and they are all playing championship with their county teams since last year and contributing well you'd wonder why or our winners being held back???
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/01/2018 12:11:04
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "So lads the key word for this years league and championship campaigns is "patience "
Every article I read from all the former and present Kerry greats is "patients " , now I was never the most patient man but if fitzmaurice gives youth its chance and doesn't at the first sign of adversity return to old trid and failed then this Kerry fan will be "patient " I know it can take young lads time to bed in and find their feet at senior level but when you look at former minors from other teams that played against our minor winners mccglenehan and bán Gallagher from Donegal, finnerty daly and o'cellaigh from Galway , your man Kennedy with Tipperary and powter with cork and they are all playing championship with their county teams since last year and contributing well you'd wonder why or our winners being held back???" I think another limp championship exit with the same team as last year would be the end of fitzmaurice and he would never get the senior job again. He knows this better than anybody so he absolutely has to bring in new players this year, and I'd be surprised if we don't see 4-5 new faces in the starting 15.
With all this change comes risk though. The tried and failed as you refer to them, were never more than a kick of a ball away from Dublin over the years. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a young team with a lot of championship debutants gets hammered in the latter stages this year assuming they make it that far.
You've mentioned a handful of youngsters in other counties that have had an impact and that's great but it's a whole other story putting a half dozen youngsters in to a team together.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2117 - 26/01/2018 12:36:07
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "I think another limp championship exit with the same team as last year would be the end of fitzmaurice and he would never get the senior job again. He knows this better than anybody so he absolutely has to bring in new players this year, and I'd be surprised if we don't see 4-5 new faces in the starting 15.
With all this change comes risk though. The tried and failed as you refer to them, were never more than a kick of a ball away from Dublin over the years. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a young team with a lot of championship debutants gets hammered in the latter stages this year assuming they make it that far.
You've mentioned a handful of youngsters in other counties that have had an impact and that's great but it's a whole other story putting a half dozen youngsters in to a team together." I know what you're saying Gerry about the tried and failed as I call them but a kick of a ball away from the dubs might as well be ten kicks of the ball away from them at this stage, we weren't brought up on moral victories down here as you know your self and I know I sound harsh but like I've said on here many times , the day we start accepting mediocrity from our teams will be a bad day for Kerry football.
And I'm not expecting too many of the younger lads to be put in all at once but enough to freshen things up and put the old lads under pressure for their spots on the team.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/01/2018 13:13:44
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They can talk about 'patience' all they want, this is Kerry and all that counts is whether, come September, a player in the Green and Gold is lifting Same Maguire above his head.
That's the harsh reality, another year without an All-Ireland and the management and the team will get it in the neck from the Kerry public.
Perhaps that might be tempered if the basis of a new, young team of talent and potential has been developed over the season, but that remains to be seen.
I think the Kerry public have been 'patient' enough since 2014. Personally speaking, I retained great faith in Fitzmaurice and the squad to capture an All-Ireland in the three years since and I could overlook the 2015 final debacle as just one or those days, and could also forgive the 2016 semi in the belief it was an experience the squad and management would learn from.
But last year's utter incompetence in the semi-final replay has exhausted all the patience I have left with Fitzmaurice.
1 Senior All-Ireland in a decade is not good enough given the dominance we have had in Munster. Don't tell me this Dublin team are some unbeatable force the likes of which we have never seen, we have continuously shot ourselves in the foot against them.
We better start winning All-Irelands and we better start winning them very soon, or Fitzmaurice can leave and close the door behind him.
Dublin winning a four or five in a row, would be the greatest insult I can think of to Kerry GAA, its tradition and history. If it happens under Fitzmaurivce he will be lynched and I'll be there in the front row with my pitchfork!
That might sound fairly aggressive but after watching on over the last 3 exasperating Championship campaigns its how I feel.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/01/2018 13:20:11
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Yes the Mayo replay was one of the most turgid, abject performances that I can remember in years and was a real wake up call for Fitzmaurice hopefully.
I think positive moves have been made behind the scenes over the winter so I am hopeful we might have a good year. Whether we will be good enough to make a run for Sam is the question.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2117 - 26/01/2018 13:59:56
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Replying To TheHermit: "They can talk about 'patience' all they want, this is Kerry and all that counts is whether, come September, a player in the Green and Gold is lifting Same Maguire above his head.
That's the harsh reality, another year without an All-Ireland and the management and the team will get it in the neck from the Kerry public.
Perhaps that might be tempered if the basis of a new, young team of talent and potential has been developed over the season, but that remains to be seen.
I think the Kerry public have been 'patient' enough since 2014. Personally speaking, I retained great faith in Fitzmaurice and the squad to capture an All-Ireland in the three years since and I could overlook the 2015 final debacle as just one or those days, and could also forgive the 2016 semi in the belief it was an experience the squad and management would learn from.
But last year's utter incompetence in the semi-final replay has exhausted all the patience I have left with Fitzmaurice.
1 Senior All-Ireland in a decade is not good enough given the dominance we have had in Munster. Don't tell me this Dublin team are some unbeatable force the likes of which we have never seen, we have continuously shot ourselves in the foot against them.
We better start winning All-Irelands and we better start winning them very soon, or Fitzmaurice can leave and close the door behind him.
Dublin winning a four or five in a row, would be the greatest insult I can think of to Kerry GAA, its tradition and history. If it happens under Fitzmaurivce he will be lynched and I'll be there in the front row with my pitchfork!
That might sound fairly aggressive but after watching on over the last 3 exasperating Championship campaigns its how I feel." Nah the hermit it doesn't sound aggressive it sounds like you're frustrated like the rest of us.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/01/2018 17:05:11
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Frustrated and short changed, look we all stand on the sideline some days they go well some days they don't go well, but the key is always progression whether it be U8 or Senior progression always looking ahead that's all I want to see and if one or one group collectively get it wrong then there has to be accountability - I coach and every year i sir before my board an outline my requests and plans for the year - end of year same story sit and mull over the year things that went well and areas that you felt improvement is required and if that means the finger points at you well so be it.
Has to be accountability. Year starts tonight with the team I think this Sunday will tell a lot
Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 26/01/2018 19:46:07
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Here we go:
Murphy
Coffey
Foley
Enright
Murphy
Gavin Crowley
Shanahan
Barry
Brendan O'Sullivan
Burns
Sean O'Se
O'Brien
Clifford!!!!!
Geaney
BJK
JOD benched with Spillane, Tom O'Sullivan, Casey, Savage and Barry O'Sullivan
I assume BJK is there for experience??
Really looking forward to seeing what this side can do, roll on Sunday!
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 26/01/2018 21:01:28
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Team for Sunday :
Shane Murphy ,
Cormac Coffey , Jason foley, enright.
P Murphy, gavin Crowley, Shanahan.
Jack Barry, Brendan O'sullivan.
Micháel burns, seanie Shea, O'Brien.
David Clifford, geaney, BJK
Subs Kelly, jod, savage, Barry Sullivan, Matthew flaherty, daithi Casey, Andrew Barry, killian Spillane, Greg horan, Brian o'seanachain, Tom Leo O'sullivan.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/01/2018 21:18:18
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Replying To TheHermit: "Here we go:
Murphy
Coffey
Foley
Enright
Murphy
Gavin Crowley
Shanahan
Barry
Brendan O'Sullivan
Burns
Sean O'Se
O'Brien
Clifford!!!!!
Geaney
BJK
JOD benched with Spillane, Tom O'Sullivan, Casey, Savage and Barry O'Sullivan
I assume BJK is there for experience??
Really looking forward to seeing what this side can do, roll on Sunday!" BJK has to start one game every year, it's written in his contract.
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Ya best that can be expected - Murphy is goals was a good start, Foley in at full back happy with that. Strong half back line really glad to see Gavin Crowley in there some appear to have forgotten him. Mid field is as expected as in the full forward line. Glad to see Clifford get his start but truth but truth be told I'm surprised that BJ Keane is listed. Really really like the half forward line of burns and Se I'm a Hugh Hugh fan of Se and think his best place is the forty, O'Brien has been tried and tried but both he and Se would be used to each other.
What I am really looking forward to is the first free within range - will Clifford be the taker or will it be BJ Keane or Geaney From the hands - Bench too isn't that weak, James, Barry Sullivan Andrew Barry Brian O'Seanachain who I have massive time for. No not a bad combination looking forward now to Sunday and he they actually play.
Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 26/01/2018 21:40:04
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Ya best that can be expected - Murphy is goals was a good start, Foley in at full back happy with that. Strong half back line really glad to see Gavin Crowley in there some appear to have forgotten him. Mid field is as expected as in the full forward line. Glad to see Clifford get his start but truth but truth be told I'm surprised that BJ Keane is listed. Really really like the half forward line of burns and Se I'm a Hugh Hugh fan of Se and think his best place is the forty, O'Brien has been tried and tried but both he and Se would be used to each other.
What I am really looking forward to is the first free within range - will Clifford be the taker or will it be BJ Keane or Geaney From the hands - Bench too isn't that weak, James, Barry Sullivan Andrew Barry Brian O'Seanachain who I have massive time for. No not a bad combination looking forward now to Sunday and he they actually play." Horse I'd expect Coffey and Shanahan to swap positions what you think?
I like the team there is a good mix youth and experience and I'd expect that team to draw a big crowd due to pure curiosity, I'm looking forward to it now.
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