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Replying To TheHermit:  "Will Kevin McCarthy be back this year lads? I think I said on here before that I thought he was a huge loss when he dropped/was dropped off the panel. I thought he was excellent in the Munster final and that was the best football we played all summer."
I would rather a forward that can be the ball winner link man and mir importantly the scorer as well, think back to our grea5 teams or nay winning team for that matter we always had ball winners who could retain possession and also score, Declan, Paul, Sean Sullivan, Liam Hassett but we always had scorers that is lacking at preset he while the likes of Buvckley, Mikey Geaney and young McCarthy will give you link options and 50/50 ball winners the are not match winners as they don't score enough - we need a dangerous and by this I mean a scoring half forward line, if our half forwards drop deep and are primarily ball winners then we are already reduc8ng our scoring capabilities by 50% and allowing teams on us and play sweepers, pick 6 scoring forwards 2 ball winning mobile midfielders who can score and defend or pick a combination of scorer/defender in the middle and again pacy strong versatile backs..... the players are there

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 06/01/2018 15:19:21    2067084

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It's a huge bonus if your half forwards can add 3-4 points each per game alright. Off the top of my head I can't think of any obvious candidates like that though. Sean O'Shea fits this mould and has huge potential but he is still only 19 afaik so he needs 2-3 years to fully adjust to senior football. There are others from recent minor teams but it's anyone's guess who will take to senior football.

We need to work with what we have for the moment and introduce new players in to the team as they are ready. Kevin McCarthy is a good option if they can sort out whatever issue kept him out last year. I think he can contribute more to the scoreboard in time. I don't remember Declan shooting the lights out in his first couple of seasons either, but he went in to be one of our best ever.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2117 - 06/01/2018 16:03:28    2067096

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Well done to RTE, that Micko documentary was brilliant stuff. It must have been amazing to be supporting Kerry and watching Micko's marvels in the flesh.

Our team of the 2000s was a great side full of wonderful players, but the 75-86 team, they were just very special. I would have loved to watch them from the stand in their prime.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 08/01/2018 23:58:40    2067440

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Well done to RTE, that Micko documentary was brilliant stuff. It must have been amazing to be supporting Kerry and watching Micko's marvels in the flesh.

Our team of the 2000s was a great side full of wonderful players, but the 75-86 team, they were just very special. I would have loved to watch them from the stand in their prime."
Ya it was a lovely documentary by RTÉ, micko is some legend and he said some of his family came from west cork, which I can relate to as I'd have an old branch of the family tree that extends down there as well.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/01/2018 11:52:38    2067478

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya it was a lovely documentary by RTÉ, micko is some legend and he said some of his family came from west cork, which I can relate to as I'd have an old branch of the family tree that extends down there as well."
I'm sorry for your troubles Kingdomboy :D

Thankfully I'm pure North Kerry stock going back generations, though unfortunately one side is Lixnaw :D

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 09/01/2018 12:41:15    2067490

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Replying To TheHermit:  "I'm sorry for your troubles Kingdomboy :D

Thankfully I'm pure North Kerry stock going back generations, though unfortunately one side is Lixnaw :D"
Haha sure we all had to come from somewhere the hermit even lixnaw ;-)

Mickos enthusiasms is infectious it nearly makes me want to take over our U14s

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/01/2018 14:03:00    2067513

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya it was a lovely documentary by RTÉ, micko is some legend and he said some of his family came from west cork, which I can relate to as I'd have an old branch of the family tree that extends down there as well."
Ye but the football came from his mothers side the Galvins

RAHKILL (Westmeath) - Posts: 395 - 09/01/2018 17:04:17    2067552

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Replying To RAHKILL:  "Ye but the football came from his mothers side the Galvins"
I don't doubt that for a second rahkill :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/01/2018 17:32:28    2067558

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I have never enjoyed a program on the tv so much as last night, truth be told I'm not a massive TV man but I have always been fascinated by Micko his training and visionary towards players, teams and situations was before its time to a degree. Many books have been penned re Micko but Owen McCrohan's From the early 90's was one of the best reads ever and even went through every game from teams and scorers etc for the duration of both his playing days and coaching days to 89.

loved the rouge element like getting £20K but being fined £500 sure simple math tells you it didn't matter - he was always ahead of the game in this regard and fought for players rights well before the GPA was established - one thing not mentioned last night was the Gaa constantly overlooking him for the Compromised Rules series a serious insult in my opinion but in this regard just simply more shame on them.

Loved the simple salute to his own statue but being honest felt sad at the end cos the lasting impression was that of a man just awaiting his maker, he had the life lived, all goals fulfilled and just now a lone man - still though hats off to RTE excellent excellent hour love too that it was narrated by himself, could have listened to the man for 4 more hours

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 09/01/2018 21:55:50    2067590

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Jez the family tree is being blamed for everything these days, sure as my crowd used to say back your direction K'boy if one was no good at the pigskin " ah he's from a bad litter" as for lisnaw, Hermit being a hurling man you'll enjoy this I was nearly killed recently for discribing Finuge Football as a team of failed hurlers,.

Back to our Donegal game I see the Northwesterners are missing a few, lot of talk too that Maher will be calling it a day, I heard this in North Kerry a good few times since the NK C'ship has finished so I'd say no smoke without fire - he's been on the road since 2007 - if my memory is right he was full forward on the Feale Rangers team of 07? Along with Paul, Eamon and then 2 Corridans..

Has any of he heard of who is inside? Or more it the point who is not inside.

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 09/01/2018 22:05:06    2067593

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Jez the family tree is being blamed for everything these days, sure as my crowd used to say back your direction K'boy if one was no good at the pigskin " ah he's from a bad litter" as for lisnaw, Hermit being a hurling man you'll enjoy this I was nearly killed recently for discribing Finuge Football as a team of failed hurlers,.

Back to our Donegal game I see the Northwesterners are missing a few, lot of talk too that Maher will be calling it a day, I heard this in North Kerry a good few times since the NK C'ship has finished so I'd say no smoke without fire - he's been on the road since 2007 - if my memory is right he was full forward on the Feale Rangers team of 07? Along with Paul, Eamon and then 2 Corridans..

Has any of he heard of who is inside? Or more it the point who is not inside."
Ha ha Horse, that's as good a description of Finuge GAA as I've heard!

Yes there definitely was a poignancy to last night's programme at the end. But in fairness, apart from the voice and touch of arteries he is looking well for a man of his age, the benefits of an active life and staying away from the drink I suppose!
He was some entrepreneur too, and as you said Horse he was running rings around the top brass in Croker back in the day. Yeah the way the GAA overlooked him for the Aussie rules and went for Heffo was a disgrace. He always said it was the one regret he had, not getting to manage the international rules side.

I've heard similar rumors about Maher and it will be sad to see him go. He was a wonderful midfielder only that injuries took there toll in the last couple of years. He had a beautiful kick and his pin-point kick pass to set up a score against Clare in Ennis last summer was worth the admission price alone for me.

All I know re whose training, is that Shane Ryan isn't there, Donnacha isn't back yet but will be, and that apparently Fitz has cast the net long and wide over the last few weeks. So hopefully we will see a good injection of new talent in the League.

From this remove, Donegal look like potential candidates for the drop given the injuries and retirements they've had.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 09/01/2018 22:51:26    2067596

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Will be interesting to see how we line up against Donegal, think there are a lot of positions up for grabs.
Couple more options in goals, hope the decision is made early though and whoever is selected is given time to settle in.
Defence, two certs I would have are Murphy and Morley. The other 4 spots are all up for grabs. Would hope to see Foley given the nod at full back as Griffin has never looked assured. Enright and Crowley have been a bit hot and cold, Enright had a nightmare against Mayo, lacking the yard or 2 in pace. Plenty of young fellas like o beaglach and Gavin white coming through, time they stepped up to the plate.
Midfield is a funny one, I like Jack Barry so would have him as a starter. Moran has faded too often by the time we reach the end of August. Need another option, B.O'Sullivan could be an option there but that remains to be seen. If fitz was to throw a curve ball it would be to put griffin there, not a full back but has the attributes of the modern day midfielder, good strength, can offer cover to the defence and well able to carry the ball.
With the forwards to make life easy I'm going to start with the full forward line. Geaney is the first man on the list, Clifford then, hoping of course he settles in during the league and at present JOD, another lad who has struggled with form the last few years though so will have to watch how he gets on.
The half forward line then is the most important for me. Does Fitz go with more attacking options or does he go for lads who are better able to offer cover. Donncadh is the obvious first name but depends how he wintered, would nearly expect for him to be given an extended break. Sean O'Shea should be ready for a break out year so expect to see him feature a good bit. Not much to be gained from looking at Buckley, Darran, Lynn or BJK as we know what they can do so hopefully give some young fellas the chance. Mike Geaney gave a great display in the league final so depends where he is at. Then you have the two Spillane's who will be knocking on the door. Savage and McCarthy also showed well in the league last year. If we are going to be serious challengers this year though a couple of them will really need to have stepped it up a gear or two because on paper it's our weakest area.
Wouldn't be surprises if there were a couple of other lads given a chance who I haven't mentioned. Most important is we blood the young players and put down the foundations for a team to carry us the next 10 years.

as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 09/01/2018 23:25:13    2067601

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Interesting reading in this morning's papers, the examiner has a piece with Donnachadh Walsh in which he indicates his desire to line out again this year, he had planning to join the panel at the latter stages of the league.

In the indo Fitzmaurice is quoted as saying that Lyne and Mikey Geaney are no longer included, Moran, Donaghy and Walsh will be sitting out the early stages and the new additions are Shane Murphy, Gavin White, John Payne and a recall for Daithi Casey as well as a few of the recent minor teams namely Clifford and Seanie Sé.

He has also confirmed that the Rathmore Keeper Shane has declined an offer to join the panel.

Still though looks like we could get a youthful look to the league. Thing is in our first two games we will be playing again depleted sides, Donegal and Mayo are down some regulars so 4 points is well within our grasp here.

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 10/01/2018 08:23:20    2067606

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Very interesting to hear that Mike Geaney has left the panel. I don't want to sound harsh, but I don't think he or anyone else could have too many complaints. He was given more than enough time and chances to earn a starting berth and he showed time and again that he was just too inconsistent. He could be very effective one day and anonymous the next.
I thank him for his time and commitment but a Kerry panel cannot be a place for anyone not up to the consistency required for Kerry inter-county standard.

As for Shane Ryan declining to be part of the squad, if that's true it speaks very badly of him. He has too much pride to play in goals for Kerry, his loss not ours!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 10/01/2018 12:31:51    2067638

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Very interesting to hear that Mike Geaney has left the panel. I don't want to sound harsh, but I don't think he or anyone else could have too many complaints. He was given more than enough time and chances to earn a starting berth and he showed time and again that he was just too inconsistent. He could be very effective one day and anonymous the next.
I thank him for his time and commitment but a Kerry panel cannot be a place for anyone not up to the consistency required for Kerry inter-county standard.

As for Shane Ryan declining to be part of the squad, if that's true it speaks very badly of him. He has too much pride to play in goals for Kerry, his loss not ours!"
That's great news that the 2 boys were let go, brilliant footballers on their day but just too inconsistent, Johnny Buckley is another man that could fall into that bracket.

I'm delighted to see daithi Casey getting another shot as he's been the form player of the championship.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/01/2018 16:51:01    2067670

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Ah look I suppose we cannot argue with Geaney however truth Ben told I had time for him ok a bit inconsistent however looking at the league final last year we simply would not have won it without him, similar too with aMaher I have serious serious time for him and fel5 he was very much under rated I always felt that he was the man the one that made things tick - put it this was I always felt he was the crutch that both Moran and Sheehan got all stars at midfield he was the perfect link man could kick a serious pass and score big man will be missed if the rumor mill is Correct - I am surprised though by Walsh was sure he wouldn't call it a day .

Daithi Casey is an interesting return I wonder will he be able to bring the Crokes form to the green nd gold jersey unlike many Crokes players for the past - White I feel though I think is different. Fitz is to host a press night in next week or so so I suppose we will know more there

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 10/01/2018 19:42:35    2067697

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Ah look I suppose we cannot argue with Geaney however truth Ben told I had time for him ok a bit inconsistent however looking at the league final last year we simply would not have won it without him, similar too with aMaher I have serious serious time for him and fel5 he was very much under rated I always felt that he was the man the one that made things tick - put it this was I always felt he was the crutch that both Moran and Sheehan got all stars at midfield he was the perfect link man could kick a serious pass and score big man will be missed if the rumor mill is Correct - I am surprised though by Walsh was sure he wouldn't call it a day .

Daithi Casey is an interesting return I wonder will he be able to bring the Crokes form to the green nd gold jersey unlike many Crokes players for the past - White I feel though I think is different. Fitz is to host a press night in next week or so so I suppose we will know more there"
Yeah Casey is interesting.

He has had chances in the panel before and was unable to show enough to warrant a spot in the match day squad, but maybe he needed a few years away to develop. It happens with some players, sure I forgot until I heard Donnacha on the radio that he made his senior debut back in 2003, then dropped off the panel for a few years before he came back in proper around 2007-2008.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 10/01/2018 20:43:23    2067705

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Yeah Casey is interesting.

He has had chances in the panel before and was unable to show enough to warrant a spot in the match day squad, but maybe he needed a few years away to develop. It happens with some players, sure I forgot until I heard Donnacha on the radio that he made his senior debut back in 2003, then dropped off the panel for a few years before he came back in proper around 2007-2008."
Ya I remember Paídi giving him his start in a league game in Killarney out of the blue.

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 10/01/2018 20:51:37    2067708

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Ya I really think Casey can bring a bit of granite and style to our half forwards and he's got speed and can score, I really think he's what we're missing, plus he can do a fair bit of defensive work as well.

In fairness I would never right anyone off, players can develop at different ages and can ye imagine the hunger Casey is going to have now.

Interesting to see john Payne in as well and why not, supposedly ronan Shanahan is back in as well, ronan was my Kerry rookie of the league last year, he made dust of paddy Andrews in the league final and when rocks free came down off the post who was there to gather it? Ronan Shanahan.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/01/2018 21:15:45    2067709

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Lads what age is Daithi.? I hope too that Dingles Barry O'Sullivan is inside serious potential in that lad if harnessed right

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 10/01/2018 21:54:47    2067719

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