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Lads, I hope ye don't mind me asking. I get very confused by the Wicklow GAA website and facebook page as regards fixtures. Seems quite badly laid out to me.
What matches are scheduled for the Senior Football Championship this weekend and next weekend? I make a point of going to a few games in Wicklow every year, always good stuff. Really enjoyed Bray v Rathnew last year for example.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2573 - 28/07/2017 09:56:13
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Replying To icehonesty: "Lads, I hope ye don't mind me asking. I get very confused by the Wicklow GAA website and facebook page as regards fixtures. Seems quite badly laid out to me.
What matches are scheduled for the Senior Football Championship this weekend and next weekend? I make a point of going to a few games in Wicklow every year, always good stuff. Really enjoyed Bray v Rathnew last year for example." Sat 29th in Aughrim
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Blessington v Arklow GB
Sun 30th in Aughrim
@2pm Coolkenno v Baltinglass
@3:45pm
Kiltegan v Bray
Sun 30th
in Arklow @11am Eire Og v Avondale
12:30pm Newtown v Annacurra
i.am.ahab. (Wicklow) - Posts: 255 - 28/07/2017 13:12:28
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Replying To i.am.ahab.: "Sat 29th in Aughrim
@6:45pm
Blessington v Arklow GB
Sun 30th in Aughrim
@2pm Coolkenno v Baltinglass
@3:45pm
Kiltegan v Bray
Sun 30th
in Arklow @11am Eire Og v Avondale
12:30pm Newtown v Annacurra" Thanks a million!
Am I reading that right that there's senior championship at 11am on Sunday? Early, no?
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2573 - 28/07/2017 14:54:12
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Also is there a stand in Arklow? Was never there and it's meant to lash on Sunday
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2573 - 28/07/2017 16:26:34
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ye, guess it is a bit early, maybe it's on early to get the 2 games in if people wanted to get to Aughrim for the 2pm throw in or something.
Yeah,there's a stand in Arklow,
i.am.ahab. (Wicklow) - Posts: 255 - 28/07/2017 17:14:43
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Replying To i.am.ahab.: "ye, guess it is a bit early, maybe it's on early to get the 2 games in if people wanted to get to Aughrim for the 2pm throw in or something.
Yeah,there's a stand in Arklow," Stand hah "stand" being the operative word, a covered terrace more like. No seats
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 28/07/2017 21:08:58
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Billies and Rats draw. Billies still to play Aughrim who they will beat. Rats will top group Billies will go through so who will be 3rd
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 28/07/2017 23:27:34
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Replying To hurlingnut: "Stand hah "stand" being the operative word, a covered terrace more like. No seats" Bleh,you can sit on the steps. It's Wicklow gaa,i'm sure he is not expecting Croke park quality or anything. I'll rephrase, There is somewhere to go to keep dry,yes.
i.am.ahab. (Wicklow) - Posts: 255 - 28/07/2017 23:46:27
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Big weekend for Blesso and AGB Winner should be in good position to move on from this group
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 29/07/2017 14:42:57
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Replying To hurlingnut: "Big weekend for Blesso and AGB Winner should be in good position to move on from this group" Advantage AGB. I think 3 go trough so blesso should survive but looks like all there old failings on show again. blew a good lead with some sloppy lazy play.
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 29/07/2017 20:22:50
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Knockananna look dead and buried the group now but won't be relegated. Learning curve year for them
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 29/07/2017 20:24:15
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Ballincor had to slave to a win over aughrim. They have gone back from last year and might well struggle to make playoff
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 29/07/2017 20:26:00
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Can any one explain hoe the senior championship works this year,
3 groups
Gp A has 5 teams
Gp B has 4 teams
Gp C has 4 teams
How many teams come from each group??
How will they get down to semi's
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 30/07/2017 11:25:49
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Replying To wonderingabout: "Oh, by the way - you all have it completely wrong on the predictions because you have the order of the games wrong and this is crucial.
The way I see it is that the 'Dunlavin group' isn't even in Dunlavin's hands. It will all come down to the Rathnew v Ballymanus game this weekend to see if Dunlavin will even have a chance of going through as it will have a domino effect.
If Rathnew win then they will top the group on full points and two of Billys, Dunlavin and balinacor will go through (on score difference if Bodens walkovers doesn't count or else by playoffs if the do count - score difference can't be used if any team of the 3 got a walkover).
If Billys win then they will top the group on head to head over Rathnew and Balinacor will finish third on head to head over Dunlavin.
I think the Billys will win this weekend and this is how it will finish (winners in brackets):
Rd 5:
Rathnew v Billys (Billys)
Balinacor v Aughrim (Balinacor)
Rd 6:
Billys v Aughrim (Billys)
Dunlavin v Kilmac (Dunlavin)
Rd 7:
Aughrim v Rathnew (Rathnew)
Kilmac v Balinacor (Balinacor simply because Kilmac are out by then if the lose to Dunlavin. However, if Kilmac beat Dunlavin I think they will also beat Balinacor and go through)
Final Table if Billys beat Rathnew and Dunlavin beat Kilmac:
1. Ballymanus (8 points) - finish 1st based on head to head with Rathnew
2. Rathnew (8 points)
3. Balinacor (6 points) - finish 3rd based on head to head with Dunlavin
4. Dunlavin (6 points)
5. Kilmac (2 points) - Relegation Battle
6. Aughrim (0 points) - Relegation Battle
Final Table if Billys beat Rathnew and Kilmac beat Dunlavin:
1. Ballymanus (8 points) - finish 1st based on head to head with Rathnew
2. Rathnew (8 points)
3. Kilmac (6 points)
4. Balinacor (4 points) - finish 4th based on head to head with Dunlavin
5. Dunlavin (4 points) - Relegation Battle
6. Aughrim (0 points) - Relegation Battle
So in my humble opinion it's out of Dunlavin's hands and they are simply playing Kilmac to avoid the relegation battle but Rathnew could save them." we now have
Ratnew on 7 points and they have to play aughrim so will finish on 9 points and go to semi finals
Ballymanus have 5 points and have to play Aughrim so they will finish with 7 points
Ballinacor have 4 points and if they beat Kilmac in last game they go to playoff based on head to head with dunlavin
Dunlavin have 4 points and have to beat Kilmac and Ballinacor and hope kilmac beat or draw with bllinacor
Kilmac have 2 points and have to beat both ballinacor and dunlavin
Dunlavin will suffer most from kilmac giving w/o to Ratnew because with + 32 points they are miles ahead of Ballinacor with +8 and Kilmac with +11 but because of the w/o score difference wont count and head to head they were bet by ballinacor
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 30/07/2017 11:55:03
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Replying To hurlingnut: "Knockananna look dead and buried the group now but won't be relegated. Learning curve year for them" Knockananna will still qualify if they beat Laragh and Barndarrig, something that is possible although I'd favour Laragh. There won't be anyone relegated due to Blessington's withdrawal. Group 1 has now reached the stage of farce, following Blessington's withdrawal Carnew have now started giving walkovers meaning the other three teams automatically qualify for the quarter finals. A similar situation arose last year in this group when Bray withdrew. When you compare this to the competitive nature of Group 2 it is totally unfair on the teams involved.
themaddog (Wicklow) - Posts: 142 - 30/07/2017 12:37:19
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HurlingNut what you're saying makes no sense. Dunlavin aren't the MOST affected by the walk over. They are actually the LEAST affected by it because there is no way that they can be affected.
As per the official rule book of the GAA this is the order of tie breaks for teams who finish level in a championship group stage:
1) Head to head
2) Score difference (scores for minus scores against)
3) Scores for
4) Playoff
Exception: if the accumulated scores of either team is affected by a walkover, disqualification or loss of a game on proven objection then means 2 and 3 can't be used.
So when you say that Dunlavin are most affected by the walkover from Kilmac it's simply not true. There is no conceivable way (unless Aughrim pull off a shock against the billies we all know won't happen) that tie breaker one won't be used in this group if Dunlavin are involved so Dunlavin aren't affected one bit by that.
Assuming Aughrim lose all of the rest of their games (they will) there are 4 possible finishes in the group which I'll list in order of likelihood:
1) Dunlavin and Balinacor both beat Kilmac:
Balinacor go through on H2H against Dunlavin
2) Kilmac beat Dunlavin and then the winner of Kilmac v Balinacor go though
3) Dunlavin beat Kilmac and Kilmac either draw with or beat Balinacor:
Dunlavin go through
4) Kilmac beat Dunlavin and then draw with Balinacor:
This is the ONLY way that tie breaker one won't be used and because there was a walk over in this situation tie breaker two and three can't be used either and both teams will play again in a playoff to decide 3rd place
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Replying To wonderingabout: "HurlingNut what you're saying makes no sense. Dunlavin aren't the MOST affected by the walk over. They are actually the LEAST affected by it because there is no way that they can be affected.
As per the official rule book of the GAA this is the order of tie breaks for teams who finish level in a championship group stage:
1) Head to head
2) Score difference (scores for minus scores against)
3) Scores for
4) Playoff
Exception: if the accumulated scores of either team is affected by a walkover, disqualification or loss of a game on proven objection then means 2 and 3 can't be used.
So when you say that Dunlavin are most affected by the walkover from Kilmac it's simply not true. There is no conceivable way (unless Aughrim pull off a shock against the billies we all know won't happen) that tie breaker one won't be used in this group if Dunlavin are involved so Dunlavin aren't affected one bit by that.
Assuming Aughrim lose all of the rest of their games (they will) there are 4 possible finishes in the group which I'll list in order of likelihood:
1) Dunlavin and Balinacor both beat Kilmac:
Balinacor go through on H2H against Dunlavin
2) Kilmac beat Dunlavin and then the winner of Kilmac v Balinacor go though
3) Dunlavin beat Kilmac and Kilmac either draw with or beat Balinacor:
Dunlavin go through
4) Kilmac beat Dunlavin and then draw with Balinacor:
This is the ONLY way that tie breaker one won't be used and because there was a walk over in this situation tie breaker two and three can't be used either and both teams will play again in a playoff to decide 3rd place" My point is that score difference cannot be used at all in this group no matter what the results are or who beats who. Dunlavin had the best score difference of all teams and now it cannot be used.
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 30/07/2017 13:59:40
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Replying To themaddog: "Knockananna will still qualify if they beat Laragh and Barndarrig, something that is possible although I'd favour Laragh. There won't be anyone relegated due to Blessington's withdrawal. Group 1 has now reached the stage of farce, following Blessington's withdrawal Carnew have now started giving walkovers meaning the other three teams automatically qualify for the quarter finals. A similar situation arose last year in this group when Bray withdrew. When you compare this to the competitive nature of Group 2 it is totally unfair on the teams involved." Walkovers in the championship are a disgrace and clubs giving walkovers should be fined 5,000 and banned from entering a team at that grade for 3 years.
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 30/07/2017 14:03:42
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Avondale and newtown look the most likely in big trouble following their defeats today but mathematically they can still do it. I don't fancy their chances
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 30/07/2017 14:09:59
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Balto shouod wallop coolkenno and go level at top of group with pats could Ratnew be in trouble this year
hurlingnut (Wicklow) - Posts: 311 - 30/07/2017 14:39:32
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