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Replying To mrfox:  "I told him I thought it was a disgrace. He told me 18 players were going. He reckoned if more of them went it wouldn't be as much of an issue. People are missing the point and trying to pick holes in the story to defend the defenceless. The facts are a group of players went on holidays and let there clubs down big time."
yeah,terrible that lads dont give their life for the gaa any more.maybe because the gaa has failed players.
you didnt see the sunday independent i suppose?over 60% of players have considered quitting the game due to fixtures,and that figure did not include those who have.
you can argue till the cows come home,gaa is no longer the only thing young lads live for,they might have been different in the 50s when you were a young chap,but this is the 21st century.and if they cant sort out the fixtures,then dont be surprised if more of them say 'i dont care,i am going on my holidays'.
how and ever,i present you with your best platform ever. "Buffers Alley are delighted to host the Fixtures Review Forum on Mon. 4th Sept. at 8pm".

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 22/08/2017 09:40:35    2036284

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Replying To perfect10:  "yeah,terrible that lads dont give their life for the gaa any more.maybe because the gaa has failed players.
you didnt see the sunday independent i suppose?over 60% of players have considered quitting the game due to fixtures,and that figure did not include those who have.
you can argue till the cows come home,gaa is no longer the only thing young lads live for,they might have been different in the 50s when you were a young chap,but this is the 21st century.and if they cant sort out the fixtures,then dont be surprised if more of them say 'i dont care,i am going on my holidays'.
how and ever,i present you with your best platform ever. "Buffers Alley are delighted to host the Fixtures Review Forum on Mon. 4th Sept. at 8pm"."
Totally disagree, there are far more people playing now than in the 50's or 60's. Clubs are fielding 2/3 teams in football and hurling on a regular basis, years ago this wasn't the case. And as for the comment about fixtures we are talking about lads who get more games than everyone else. Everything stops for them

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 22/08/2017 10:06:34    2036292

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Replying To zinny:  "People have long memories about these things in club's and it will stick with the players for a long time. That said perhaps time to let it go on this forum. It's done now and while a majority would agree with you we should get back to the games."
Well said. Some will try to play it down but clubs will remember it for a long time to come.

mrfox (Wexford) - Posts: 338 - 22/08/2017 10:39:31    2036306

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Replying To perfect10:  "yeah,terrible that lads dont give their life for the gaa any more.maybe because the gaa has failed players.
you didnt see the sunday independent i suppose?over 60% of players have considered quitting the game due to fixtures,and that figure did not include those who have.
you can argue till the cows come home,gaa is no longer the only thing young lads live for,they might have been different in the 50s when you were a young chap,but this is the 21st century.and if they cant sort out the fixtures,then dont be surprised if more of them say 'i dont care,i am going on my holidays'.
how and ever,i present you with your best platform ever. "Buffers Alley are delighted to host the Fixtures Review Forum on Mon. 4th Sept. at 8pm"."
You don't present the county board do. It's also on in ferrycarrig hotel. A bit late now for these players involved the damage is done.

mrfox (Wexford) - Posts: 338 - 22/08/2017 10:42:26    2036309

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Replying To mrfox:  "Well said. Some will try to play it down but clubs will remember it for a long time to come."
clubs can remember it for as long as they want,but dont then wonder when these same players tell them where to go shove their club and their games.
the times they are a changin.time for the gaa to change with them and provide a better product for players,where they can plan a life outside the game.at both county and club level.it is completely unsustainable the level of training,discipline,required for both club and county.
3 months training throughout the summer and hardly play a game?what world are you living on if you think that is ok?
890202,there are not many clubs fielding 3 teams,and those who were a few years ago are now finding it difficult to field 3,rathnure even had to lose their bottom team.
only teams fielding 3 or more teams,rathnure,oulart,martins,rapps,is there more?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 22/08/2017 11:17:33    2036321

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Replying To perfect10:  "clubs can remember it for as long as they want,but dont then wonder when these same players tell them where to go shove their club and their games.
the times they are a changin.time for the gaa to change with them and provide a better product for players,where they can plan a life outside the game.at both county and club level.it is completely unsustainable the level of training,discipline,required for both club and county.
3 months training throughout the summer and hardly play a game?what world are you living on if you think that is ok?
890202,there are not many clubs fielding 3 teams,and those who were a few years ago are now finding it difficult to field 3,rathnure even had to lose their bottom team.
only teams fielding 3 or more teams,rathnure,oulart,martins,rapps,is there more?"
A lot of jumping around with excuses where it still remains players forget where there loyalty should lie. I know several current and recently retired county players who thought it was a disgrace what happened. Change is needed you are correct on that. It still dose not justify what happened.

mrfox (Wexford) - Posts: 338 - 22/08/2017 12:40:26    2036356

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Replying To mrfox:  "A lot of jumping around with excuses where it still remains players forget where there loyalty should lie. I know several current and recently retired county players who thought it was a disgrace what happened. Change is needed you are correct on that. It still dose not justify what happened."
sometimes,the only way to get change is to say enough is enough,and vote with your feet

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 22/08/2017 14:03:19    2036394

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Replying To perfect10:  "clubs can remember it for as long as they want,but dont then wonder when these same players tell them where to go shove their club and their games.
the times they are a changin.time for the gaa to change with them and provide a better product for players,where they can plan a life outside the game.at both county and club level.it is completely unsustainable the level of training,discipline,required for both club and county.
3 months training throughout the summer and hardly play a game?what world are you living on if you think that is ok?
890202,there are not many clubs fielding 3 teams,and those who were a few years ago are now finding it difficult to field 3,rathnure even had to lose their bottom team.
only teams fielding 3 or more teams,rathnure,oulart,martins,rapps,is there more?"
Interestingly there are more than u suggest.

Hurling:
4 teams - Rathnure
3 teams - Buffers alley, oulart, harriers, st martins, Monageer

Football:
3 teams: St Martins, Starlights, Gusserane

Combined hurling and football:
6 teams - St Martins, Rapps/Starlights
5 teams - Monageer, Gusserane

Most other clubs have 4 teams in total, some have 3, while a small few have 2.

I wonder how this compares to the 1950's?

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 22/08/2017 14:27:51    2036406

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I left the rapps out of my list of 3 hurling teams by mistake

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 22/08/2017 14:38:42    2036410

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Lads lads lads, let's move on to what matters.... the hurling. Predictions for the coming weekend please.
Tellin ya time and time again, every big ball in the county should be punctured

Wex86 (Wexford) - Posts: 224 - 22/08/2017 16:54:36    2036471

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Replying To perfect10:  "sometimes,the only way to get change is to say enough is enough,and vote with your feet"
In every walk of life other avenues are exhausted to resolve something rather than walking/strike.

mrfox (Wexford) - Posts: 338 - 22/08/2017 17:28:52    2036485

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Of course posters with no involvement with a club will find it acceptable for county players to swan off and leave their clubmates high and dry - clubmates who've been waiting in the wings all summer for the very same county players to become available...and then they decide they can't be bothered playing anyway. It's an absolute disgrace and an insult to the clubs and their teammates.

These non-club affiliated posters are also advancing an incorrect argument about the fixtures calendar. This is basic conflating on two separate things. Yes, there's no master fixtures plan published at the start of the year that is rigidly stuck to but it's very, very well established that the club's will be out every weekend in alternate codes once the county teams are eliminated.

It beggars belief that anybody could excuse this shameful behaviour.

NedWheeler (Wexford) - Posts: 10 - 22/08/2017 19:17:27    2036519

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Replying To Wex86:  "Lads lads lads, let's move on to what matters.... the hurling. Predictions for the coming weekend please.
Tellin ya time and time again, every big ball in the county should be punctured"
Sorry to disappoint you my friend, but there still some true and loyal GAA people around here, that is people who support both codes, not just blinkered one-code people like yourself

yelowbelly (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 22/08/2017 19:24:53    2036522

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Replying To NedWheeler:  "Of course posters with no involvement with a club will find it acceptable for county players to swan off and leave their clubmates high and dry - clubmates who've been waiting in the wings all summer for the very same county players to become available...and then they decide they can't be bothered playing anyway. It's an absolute disgrace and an insult to the clubs and their teammates.

These non-club affiliated posters are also advancing an incorrect argument about the fixtures calendar. This is basic conflating on two separate things. Yes, there's no master fixtures plan published at the start of the year that is rigidly stuck to but it's very, very well established that the club's will be out every weekend in alternate codes once the county teams are eliminated.

It beggars belief that anybody could excuse this shameful behaviour."
Your not reading all posts obviously. It wasnt just county hurlers on holiday. Ordinary club players went on it too and do so every year!!

I am in fact Very involved in my local club and would be raging with lads for going because I never did or would. But i dont ignore facts and i can see things from others point of view! Thats not hard to do but some people are just stuck to their view as they are entitled to be!

Finally on the issue I just want to say to all posters that they have been given bad info and it has been inflated and twisted and sensationalised to death. Take things on here with more than a pinch of salt!!

On fixtures the CPA are causing a stir but there is a simpler problem in wexford. Why dont players know when and where their next football game is?? Or the last hurling group game?? Whats to stop the co board publishing all fixtures until the end of group stages at least!

hurler101 (Wexford) - Posts: 471 - 22/08/2017 21:56:12    2036573

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Replying To NedWheeler:  "Of course posters with no involvement with a club will find it acceptable for county players to swan off and leave their clubmates high and dry - clubmates who've been waiting in the wings all summer for the very same county players to become available...and then they decide they can't be bothered playing anyway. It's an absolute disgrace and an insult to the clubs and their teammates.

These non-club affiliated posters are also advancing an incorrect argument about the fixtures calendar. This is basic conflating on two separate things. Yes, there's no master fixtures plan published at the start of the year that is rigidly stuck to but it's very, very well established that the club's will be out every weekend in alternate codes once the county teams are eliminated.

It beggars belief that anybody could excuse this shameful behaviour."
well for a start i would guess most posters are involved with a club.i train u8 and u10,hurling and football,although my work does not allow me to get to every session,blitz,i do do my best.
there is no point comparing the number of teams to the 1950s,the gaa was a disorganised mess back then.but a comparison to the number of teams 10-15 years ago,paints a far bleaker light.oylegate,cloughban,shels,etc these clubs all fielded 3 teams back then.there was no talk of amalgamation between clubs,which is now commonplace because players are just walking away and finding other things to do with their time.
secondly,i do look at the kids in the filed,and their games week in week out,training,etcand think how enjoyable it is for them and how much enjoyment they get out of it,and then look at the adults training,training,training,an odd challenge match,and the levels of frustration,disillusionment,and basic lack of interest they have in the same game the kids are gaining such enjoyment out of.
the gaa need to realise that the current setup is not fit for purpose.
until they do,scapegoat the lads who arent playing football all you want,they are the tip of the iceberg and scapegoated to cover up the real underlying problem of the product we have for club players.the gaa is no longer the only thing people can do with their lives.
i would blame no player for just walking away any more

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 23/08/2017 10:11:58    2036660

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Replying To 890202:  "I left the rapps out of my list of 3 hurling teams by mistake"
do the shamrocks not have 3 teams?i did not know monageer had 3 teams

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 23/08/2017 10:13:55    2036662

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Replying To perfect10:  "well for a start i would guess most posters are involved with a club.i train u8 and u10,hurling and football,although my work does not allow me to get to every session,blitz,i do do my best.
there is no point comparing the number of teams to the 1950s,the gaa was a disorganised mess back then.but a comparison to the number of teams 10-15 years ago,paints a far bleaker light.oylegate,cloughban,shels,etc these clubs all fielded 3 teams back then.there was no talk of amalgamation between clubs,which is now commonplace because players are just walking away and finding other things to do with their time.
secondly,i do look at the kids in the filed,and their games week in week out,training,etcand think how enjoyable it is for them and how much enjoyment they get out of it,and then look at the adults training,training,training,an odd challenge match,and the levels of frustration,disillusionment,and basic lack of interest they have in the same game the kids are gaining such enjoyment out of.
the gaa need to realise that the current setup is not fit for purpose.
until they do,scapegoat the lads who arent playing football all you want,they are the tip of the iceberg and scapegoated to cover up the real underlying problem of the product we have for club players.the gaa is no longer the only thing people can do with their lives.
i would blame no player for just walking away any more"
you are still talking about 2 separate issues. And as to your previous assertion, this isnt an anti hurling issue being brought up, its a county v club issue. They are 2 totally separate things. No one is arguing that the fixtures or club set up is perfect, but it has nothing at all to do with county players who are the cause of club fixtures not being on in the summer who then dont field when fixtures resume. Instead of your usual sniping with regards to football v hurling, most sensible people will realise that it was lousy what happened and very much disrespects the clubs.

james2011 (Wexford) - Posts: 615 - 23/08/2017 10:25:07    2036665

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Replying To perfect10:  "do the shamrocks not have 3 teams?i did not know monageer had 3 teams"
No, shamrocks have 2 hurling (intermediate and junior b) and 1 football (intermediate A)
And yes Monageer have 3 hurling (intermediate, junior and junior B)

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 23/08/2017 10:37:27    2036671

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And yes perfect 10 you do make a valid point about 10/15 years ago many more clubs fielded 3 hurling teams, but that was a period which was the exception rather than the rule.
Rathnure had 5
Oulart and the Alley had 4
Shamrocks, oylegate, shels, Geraldine's are teams I can think of who have lost their 3rd team in last few years.
Even Marshalstown and davidstown have lost their second teams.

So that point has some merit but has nothing to do with the county players going off on holiday and showing disdain to their club mates who wait all summer for them.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 23/08/2017 10:44:46    2036676

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So why can teams no longer field 2-3 teams? Because players are completely disconnected, disinterested, and just quit the game because of a lack of games.
And after pages and pages above, and everybody blaming everybody, not 1 workable solution was offered by anybody, other than people should put their lives on hold for the GAA? And you think that will wash with millenials? If you think that, you are completely out of touch with the youth of today.
It actually reminds me of that episode of Fr. Ted, where they were arguing over how to get Dougel off the milk float, and the best idea anybody had was another mass. That sums up the above argument. Lots of blame, name calling, etc, not 1 solution.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 23/08/2017 12:41:28    2036738

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