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Replying To Drax_the_destroyer: "Yet Kobe was kept on for the the full 70 minutes and Beirne not used at all. I'm sure the previous poster point is Mayo under new management should be looking to the future and starting Aidan O'Shea and bringing on Cillian O'Connor aren't the future." We have much bigger issues than debating if Cillian should be one. Wiped at midfield, a keeper who was not good enough 10 years ago is still starting. Paddy Tally is getting well paid to be a defensive coach and none of the defenders can defend and there is zero evidence of a defensive plan. Our S&C once the best no appears to be way behind.
Management looked clueless yesterday….the signs don't look good.
Andy stated it's year 1 of a 3 year plan…..well the rossies are in year 1 too Andy.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 12055 - 27/04/2026 22:28:14
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Hennelly has always been hit and miss. And has no presence at all. Any high ball that ever goes in he lacks confidence. Brickenden is ok at times but never a full back. The McBrien thing is puzzling. 6 or 3 is where he should be. Tuohy not bringing much either. And Carney is so frustrating to watch. We are soft. No bite. There is still a decent top 6 team there but changes need to be made and a big reaction needed." Top 12 team maybe, def not top 6
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2401 - 27/04/2026 22:53:38
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Replying To martinjoe: "I have said it many times, It would have been a major miracle had any county, but in particular a rural county like Mayo, to have been able to replace Keegan, Boyle, Higgins, Barrett, Kevin Mac, Cillian, Parsons, with players of similar ability. Look at the Dubs, GOAT team, and they are 22/1 to win SAM now, and the pick and setup they have. In truth, how many of our starting 15 from yesterday would start on any other Division 1 team? The previous manager had been trying to transition in new lads as seamlessly as he could. Cillian IMO played his best football during the 2 drawn semis in 2014, 12 years ago. I understand that Andy was under huge pressure to deliver, as David Brady had outlined, and perhaps he felt he needed experience if he was to clinch a Connacht this year. Of course it is still possible, on paper at least, to turn things around and have a great run in the race for SAM, but it is hard to see us winning 3 or 4 games v teams remaining in the race. There is, as Andy and PJ pointed out one straw to clutch, in that, all the top ranked teams have been way off the pace in their first real championship game. Meath, Mayo, Dublin, Galway, Donegal, gone or lucky not to be. Kerry less than impressive. Armagh have not had a real test yet which leaves Roscommon as the only team to have excelled from Div 1. Was their decision to play a "B team" in the last round a master stroke? Last year the new rules were a challenge and many teams tried to adapt their old game plans best they could to the new rules. Now that they have had plenty of games a new style is clearly emerging. The running game is all but dead and Kicking is back, including kicking on site for long range scores. . There could be some great days ahead for supporters yet." Which supporters?
Because Mayo fans won't have much to cheer.. that Mayo defence is one of the worst in the country, and will get destroyed again this summer
Belclare98 (Galway) - Posts: 9 - 28/04/2026 06:55:02
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Replying To Drax_the_destroyer: "Yet Kobe was kept on for the the full 70 minutes and Beirne not used at all. I'm sure the previous poster point is Mayo under new management should be looking to the future and starting Aidan O'Shea and bringing on Cillian O'Connor aren't the future." Well Kobe was our best player so he could hardly have been taken off. The previous poster singled out Cillian which I thought was strange given the time he came on.. Tommy Conroy came on at half time when we were 3 ahead and offered zero for the whole second half.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 552 - 28/04/2026 09:06:28
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Well done to Roscommon, a deserved win.
Mayos weak full back line and keeper still major issue.
I think its to common now for losing team/manager to say the other team was hungrier, that doenst really mean much and just putting it on the players. Mayo were ok in the first half, should have had a good lead at half time but usual basic errors costing them. They had a similar collapse to Cork in the All Ireland, second half was just flat and no real leaders stood up.
Jordan Flynn should have been taken off in first half or half time, it was not a good day for him.
Brickenden is and was never good enough.
As everyone has said Hennelly also has never been good enough, he decision making on kickouts was poor, kicked it to where Roscommon had more players multiple times.
If Aidan O Shea is full forward then you kick high ball into him, if they are not going to do that then start someone else.
I do think Andy will change it up, mainly cause he has too, but players looked like they had no plan and looked tired/flat from over training or too much talking. Roscommon players knew there plan and just went for it, didnt look weighed down like Mayo players
tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 669 - 28/04/2026 09:36:28
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Replying To eoinog: "Top 12 team maybe, def not top 6" Down beat Donegal. Westmeath beat Meath. Wicklow kicked it away v Dublin. There is no definite top 6 at the minute so if Mayo got their act together they can still compete with the top teams.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8821 - 28/04/2026 11:10:32
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Replying To yew_tree: "We have much bigger issues than debating if Cillian should be one. Wiped at midfield, a keeper who was not good enough 10 years ago is still starting. Paddy Tally is getting well paid to be a defensive coach and none of the defenders can defend and there is zero evidence of a defensive plan. Our S&C once the best no appears to be way behind.
Management looked clueless yesterday….the signs don't look good.
Andy stated it's year 1 of a 3 year plan…..well the rossies are in year 1 too Andy." All fair points just the previous poster odd view saying Beirne couldn't be brought on with the U20s in action on Wednesday while Kobe played the full game.
Paddy Tally was talked up as a big addition in the media when brought in yet it was mainly ignored he was involved with Derry last year and they didn't win a league or championship game and they conceded big scores in lots of games. A was a decent coach under the old rules and has struggled under the current rules.
Andy talking about year 1 is daft. Inter county management is a results business and should Mayo make an exit before the last 8 stage and lose in a similar manner to Sunday then I don't see Moran in charge of Mayo in 2027.
Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 806 - 28/04/2026 12:15:51
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Replying To tommy132: "Well done to Roscommon, a deserved win.
Mayos weak full back line and keeper still major issue.
I think its to common now for losing team/manager to say the other team was hungrier, that doenst really mean much and just putting it on the players. Mayo were ok in the first half, should have had a good lead at half time but usual basic errors costing them. They had a similar collapse to Cork in the All Ireland, second half was just flat and no real leaders stood up.
Jordan Flynn should have been taken off in first half or half time, it was not a good day for him.
Brickenden is and was never good enough.
As everyone has said Hennelly also has never been good enough, he decision making on kickouts was poor, kicked it to where Roscommon had more players multiple times.
If Aidan O Shea is full forward then you kick high ball into him, if they are not going to do that then start someone else.
I do think Andy will change it up, mainly cause he has too, but players looked like they had no plan and looked tired/flat from over training or too much talking. Roscommon players knew there plan and just went for it, didnt look weighed down like Mayo players" In all fairness tommy132
Aiden O shea has been playing full forward since 2015.
Bar one game against Sligo, there has never been a proper plan to kick the ball in long to him.
He offers no pace, no danger. Just "a good man to burst up the play". That's it. This isn't news, its been like this for 11 years.
Hennelly made an all star out of David Moran in 2014 by kicking everything to him down in limerick. He cost Mayo the game v Dublin in 2015 replay when he was trying to kick the ball out while messing around with his gloves. I wont even mention 2016 replay. He has never been able to withstand pressure on his kickout.
The Mayo team can be as hard to get off as it is to get on.
There is a very good case for dropping 10+ players and not playing any of the subs that came on ever again.
Hennelly, Coyne, Brickenden, Hession, Loftus, McBrien, Touhy, Flynn, Carney, O Shea and McHale - could all be dropped and not have much to dispute. Conroy, O Connor, Boland and Ruane - none of them made a blind bit of difference to the game. Thats at least 16 players who cant complain if they were dropped.
Moran needs to remember - Mayo were beaten at home to Roscommon by 10 points at home ad gave up in the 2nd half.
The opportunity to gut that team and start fresh is staring him in the face.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1774 - 28/04/2026 12:25:24
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Down beat Donegal. Westmeath beat Meath. Wicklow kicked it away v Dublin. There is no definite top 6 at the minute so if Mayo got their act together they can still compete with the top teams." Ross, Galway, Kerry, Armagh, Derry, Donegal all ahead of you.
Dublin, Meath Cork, Down, Derry are all probably ahead of you also.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2401 - 28/04/2026 12:32:01
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Down beat Donegal. Westmeath beat Meath. Wicklow kicked it away v Dublin. There is no definite top 6 at the minute so if Mayo got their act together they can still compete with the top teams." Donegal will get back on the horse and should do well in the All-Ireland series I'm less sure about Mayo. Dublin are in transition and decline. Remains to be seen with Meath do after that big setback against Westmeath.
Need to be reaching All-Ireland quarter-finals and be competitive in those games and perhaps reach at least one semi final the last few years to be considered top 6.
Mayo last year had last 16 stage exit. 2024 last 12 year exit, 2023 reached the last 8 and not competitive
2022 reach the last 8 and not competitive
Was a lot of criticism towards Kevin McStay and his management on this thread last year but on the evidence of Sunday mayo look no further on and will be doing well to recover and reach the last 8 of the championship and trip to Croke Park which I'm sure is the objective now after objective one of stopping Galway from winning 5 in a row in Connacht came to abrupt end.
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "Donegal will get back on the horse and should do well in the All-Ireland series I'm less sure about Mayo. Dublin are in transition and decline. Remains to be seen with Meath do after that big setback against Westmeath.
Need to be reaching All-Ireland quarter-finals and be competitive in those games and perhaps reach at least one semi final the last few years to be considered top 6.
Mayo last year had last 16 stage exit. 2024 last 12 year exit, 2023 reached the last 8 and not competitive
2022 reach the last 8 and not competitive
Was a lot of criticism towards Kevin McStay and his management on this thread last year but on the evidence of Sunday mayo look no further on and will be doing well to recover and reach the last 8 of the championship and trip to Croke Park which I'm sure is the objective now after objective one of stopping Galway from winning 5 in a row in Connacht came to abrupt end." I never said Donegal wouldn't bounce back I'm saying Mayo could still be considered in the second tier behind the top 3 or 4 on any given day.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8821 - 28/04/2026 12:41:55
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Replying To TheFlaker: "I never said Donegal wouldn't bounce back I'm saying Mayo could still be considered in the second tier behind the top 3 or 4 on any given day." And do you disagree with what I said to be considered that? It's a couple of years now than given days. Mayo currently and the last few years are a long way off where they were 2011 to 2017 those teams was filled with leadership and pure warriors it's the opposite with Mayo right now however a decent run in the All-Ireland series can build character and leadership.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3932 - 28/04/2026 12:59:31
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "And do you disagree with what I said to be considered that? It's a couple of years now than given days. Mayo currently and the last few years are a long way off where they were 2011 to 2017 those teams was filled with leadership and pure warriors it's the opposite with Mayo right now however a decent run in the All-Ireland series can build character and leadership." That team where full of generational players not fair to compare our current to the likes of keagan , Boyle, Higgins etc. Mayo have one bad championship loss and it's the end of the world Rossies were always targeting this game big time .
S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 1103 - 28/04/2026 13:42:22
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Replying To Drax_the_destroyer: "All fair points just the previous poster odd view saying Beirne couldn't be brought on with the U20s in action on Wednesday while Kobe played the full game.
Paddy Tally was talked up as a big addition in the media when brought in yet it was mainly ignored he was involved with Derry last year and they didn't win a league or championship game and they conceded big scores in lots of games. A was a decent coach under the old rules and has struggled under the current rules.
Andy talking about year 1 is daft. Inter county management is a results business and should Mayo make an exit before the last 8 stage and lose in a similar manner to Sunday then I don't see Moran in charge of Mayo in 2027." You clearly missed my point again.. there was no point bringing Beirne on instead of Cillian as we were 7 down at that stage so the game was over.
Beirne probably should have replaced McHale at half time however.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 552 - 28/04/2026 13:48:26
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "And do you disagree with what I said to be considered that? It's a couple of years now than given days. Mayo currently and the last few years are a long way off where they were 2011 to 2017 those teams was filled with leadership and pure warriors it's the opposite with Mayo right now however a decent run in the All-Ireland series can build character and leadership." Depends on the draw. There's no team outside Donegal, Kerry and Armagh on their day that I would fear. Results last year and this year show that.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8821 - 28/04/2026 14:21:27
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