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Replying To Belclare7:  "Mayo fans on the pitch , huge celebration.. Congrats..
Podcasts and blogs will be hoping this week..
Mayo strong contenders now for Sam"
Two weeks ago you said Mayo would be relegated to Division 2. Make your mind up.

Cumann1 (Mayo) - Posts: 4 - 01/03/2025 18:24:12    2593945

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "We'll definitely win it this year."
Mayo supporters deserve one, love to see O Shea getting one to answer his critics.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2244 - 01/03/2025 18:39:47    2593957

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Mayo supporters deserve one, love to see O Shea getting one to answer his critics."
If he was kept off the field they won have won a few by now.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1131 - 01/03/2025 18:55:46    2593966

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Replying To Belclare7:  "Mayo fans on the pitch , huge celebration.. Congrats..
Podcasts and blogs will be hoping this week..
Mayo strong contenders now for Sam"
Galway bucks filling their togs last 20 years.

CorkLiamMcCarthy24 (Cork) - Posts: 113 - 02/03/2025 00:24:12    2594049

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Replying To jacktheboy:  "Mayos Cillian O CONNOR has scored far more than him and there no word of him, is because he is not from Kerry."
Maybe because he was a full time free and penalty taker...

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1512 - 02/03/2025 09:03:08    2594060

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Replying To oneoff:  "Maybe because he was a full time free and penalty taker..."
Think you need to check out his scoring stats from play. Good lad.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8271 - 02/03/2025 10:56:37    2594072

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Replying To oneoff:  "Maybe because he was a full time free and penalty taker..."
Or he played London, Leitrim and New York every couple of years.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1131 - 02/03/2025 11:45:39    2594077

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Think you need to check out his scoring stats from play. Good lad."
What were his stats from frees like?? despite his heavy scoring never felt he was an elite free taker similar to gillane in hurling now

Until last few years he seemed to struggle with range past 45.

Compared to likes of Sheehan, Rock, in his prime never felt he was a sure bet.

Always felt he was a bit of a flat track bully he'd fill his boots against weaker opponents ( unfortunately include the Galway team of early 2010s) nothing wrong with that btw.

One thing he was great at which was under appreciated was his tackling never seen a forward as good at it.

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1360 - 02/03/2025 12:01:33    2594079

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Replying To jm25:  "What were his stats from frees like?? despite his heavy scoring never felt he was an elite free taker similar to gillane in hurling now

Until last few years he seemed to struggle with range past 45.

Compared to likes of Sheehan, Rock, in his prime never felt he was a sure bet.

Always felt he was a bit of a flat track bully he'd fill his boots against weaker opponents ( unfortunately include the Galway team of early 2010s) nothing wrong with that btw.

One thing he was great at which was under appreciated was his tackling never seen a forward as good at it."
Scored plenty from play on the biggest days. Look at his record from play in semi finals and finals against the likes of Dublin and Kerry. I never understood the haters especially because he also worked his socks off without the ball. Also overcame 2 or 3 serious injuries during his career. The Donegal troll must have alerts on his phone for any Mayo related posts .

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8271 - 02/03/2025 13:21:44    2594107

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Think you need to check out his scoring stats from play. Good lad."
Did he score more from frees and penalty s or from play?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1512 - 02/03/2025 16:02:45    2594137

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No chance is he the greatest of all time. Singlehandedly lost kerry the all Ireland against dublin in 2023. One of the best currently in the country but talk of him being best ever is nonsense.
He also doesn't work hard enough he's happy to be kicking points when it's handed to him but doesn't work.

Lúla571210 (Louth) - Posts: 80 - 02/03/2025 16:15:24    2594144

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Mayo supporters deserve one, love to see O Shea getting one to answer his critics."
The supporters deserve one for Supporting???

Heard it all now

Belclare7 (Galway) - Posts: 188 - 02/03/2025 17:04:20    2594162

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Replying To Belclare7:  "The supporters deserve one for Supporting???

Heard it all now"
Ah we're sound too like. Definitely deserve one.

Earning it because we score more than the opposition in an All Ireland Final. What's that about? Change the rules.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7800 - 02/03/2025 17:19:43    2594168

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Replying To anon:  "I don't think he has come up short in too many performances at key times.

Year 1 - scored 4-14 across 3 Super 8 games as a 19 year old but Kerry didn't make it through the group

Year 2 - in the drawn game Johnny Cooper was sent off in the first half for constantly fouling him including giving away a penalty. Scored 5 points in the replay

Year 3 - Probably underperformed by his standards against Cork, but still scored 4 points and hit the post for what would have been an absolutely outrageous goal, all in horrendous weather conditions

Year 4 - Scored 8 points in the semi final against Tyrone

Year 5 - Won All Ireland. Kicked 8 points and won MotM.

Year 6 - Scored 3 points and set up another 1-2 including a beauty of a pass for the goal

Year 7 - Another performance that was probably below his usual standards but scored 4 points.

That's just the big games you are trying to claim he underperformed in. Any normal player would be happy with any of those performances.

Won 5 All Stars, 2 PotY and a YPotY in those 7 seasons, in an era where Kerry have been far from the dominant team

If he retired tomorrow he'd be considered one of the greatest ever, if he continues playing at the level he's at for 6 or 7 more years there won't be a debate in my opinion. Describing him as just "good" or just one of many great players in this era is way underplaying how good he really is."
I don't think matches where he scored 2 points and 1 point from play respectively are great evidence for your argument.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 432 - 02/03/2025 18:06:12    2594188

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Replying To oneoff:  "Did he score more from frees and penalty s or from play?"
Name a free taker from any team that scores more from play. Such a daft comeback.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8271 - 02/03/2025 18:40:00    2594205

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Name a free taker from any team that scores more from play. Such a daft comeback."
You're the one who brought up him scoring for play as if to say it was somehow close to the amount he'd scored form frees.

Also if his scores from play how much came against the likes of New York and London?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1512 - 02/03/2025 20:45:44    2594261

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Replying To CorkLiamMcCarthy24:  "Con overrated. Wouldn't make a full strength Kerry team."
Why would he want to. If he played for Kerry sure he wouldn't have all those All Ireland medals in his back pocket now would he

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 76 - 02/03/2025 21:19:36    2594276

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Replying To Gaaforlife2023:  "Usual dubs won't ever giving outside their own credit anyway and svais has potential be goat but it's all subjective just enjoy them all . Hate tye way some bring him down just because they don't agree eon greats. I it's not all down to all ireland medals either con has more and is all tie great but clifford still could be considered as individual player

It's way too early and it's subjective but ridiculous say he hasn't perform croke park remember 23 semi final and 2022 yes 23 final bit off and 24 he was not great anyway"
Is English your first language because you couldn't be sure from your first paragraph

Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 76 - 02/03/2025 21:21:50    2594277

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This is very subjective but my opinion is it would be hard to rate a player above Canavan, considering his influence, leadership, longevity, big game mentality and he was a decisive player right up to his last intercounty game. He was able to perform early in his career as by far and away his teams outstanding talent, targeted as the main threat and lifting them to possibly outperform but then later on in his career be an essential cog and leader in a team of stars.

I would have Michael Murphy right in the conversation but appreciate some people would consider that bias.
Lots of other players
Midfield: Fenton, Sean Cavanagh, Daragh O Se
Forwards: BB, Conor McManus, Gooch, Declan OSullivan, Mattie Forde, Ciaran Mc Donald
Defenders: Keegan, Lacey, McCarthy, Tomas O Se, Cian O Sullivan, Cooper,

Probably missed loads but my point is if you took the main criteria most people look for and ticked them off Canavan is the name that springs out to me, Clifford not yet.

JimB1991 (Donegal) - Posts: 9 - 03/03/2025 00:42:43    2594309

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Replying To oneoff:  "You're the one who brought up him scoring for play as if to say it was somehow close to the amount he'd scored form frees.

Also if his scores from play how much came against the likes of New York and London?"
Where did I suggest he scored almost as much from play? I didn't even hint at it because it would be stupid.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8271 - 03/03/2025 09:24:01    2594337

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