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Replying To Scenicparish: "What a stupid post? If Cavan beat Tyrone ( unlikely ) we are out. Otherwise if Mayo beat us we are away to a second place team. Certainly not ideal." simple enough, if we play 3 weeks in a row we will lose the QF, and Tyrone will beat Cavan.
joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 236 - 01/06/2025 22:19:38
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Most likely scenario is that Tyrone beat Cavan (both on recent form and the record between both counties).
That means we can afford to lose v Mayo as our head to head v Cavan will see us over the line (regardless of points scored differential).
But this expectation is not a good way to go into any championship game, as winning is a far better habit to get into and to keep up.
I think we will really go at Mayo regardless of not topping the group. We will have to take what comes thereafter as a consequence of losing at home in the first round group match.
I am very satisfied after today's performance. We saw donegal play at a level and an intensity (and real purpose).
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3849 - 01/06/2025 22:34:44
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There was a great Donegal support in early and they dominated the stand and I think it mattered. There was a real frenzy there at the end of this first half. It must have been annoying for cavan to have been completely outnumbered in their home stand. mcGuinness was lucky enough not to have conceded a point for crossing into the cavan half. The ref was quite frustrating in the first half.
I was a little nervous with the week break, the jaded nature of the performance last week and the injuries. And the first half wasn't amazing and cavan were well in it. The last 5 mins and the goal in the last play was pivotal. Cavan should have just whacked it out. They would have been delighted if they were only four points down. To me they pushed up more and that leads to the likes of Shane O'Donnell and moore killing them with their direct running.
It was really good to see the likes of Conor O'Donnell score so freely. He's loads of talent. And I'm happy to see mccolgan come in. He's a capable player and another with loads of pace.
Anyhow job done and there's no holding back the next day. If they lose they may be out or if they qualify be in somewhere like salthill or Dublin.
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Replying To shaggykev: "Highly unlikely we have ability to top group as Tyrone will beat Cavan first very likely to beat Cavan in last match so if we take four points from Cavan and Mayo, we'd lose on head to heads.
As other posters said though, we will worry about that at 4pm onwards. bag of nerves for today. Think the spread is totally wrong and cannot see Donegal winning by 7 or more" Holy holy - luckily enuf jimy not in agreement
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Replying To joeteor: "simple enough, if we play 3 weeks in a row we will lose the QF, and Tyrone will beat Cavan." If Tyrone beat Cavan and Mayo beat us we will be 3rd in the Group. We could have to go to Galway or Dublin for a pre quarter final. That would be madness.....
Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 522 - 01/06/2025 23:12:50
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Ideal scenario is both games ending in a draw and we finish top (with us resting players).
I don't see us beating Mayo as they pretty much have to win in order to qualify and when our backs have been up against the wall over the last few years we shat the bed in a win or go home game.
There's very little difference finishing 2nd or 3rd so maybe we should play a weakened side. Cavan aren't beating Tyrone and if you think they will you're delusional.
Fucking losing to Tyrone has fucked us
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Replying To gaelicloverdonegal: "Was watching Termon in the Gaeltacht on TG4 there, looked very impressive have a good mix of big men and pacey players.
Has Ryan McFadden been around any county panels, looked very impressive" No disrespect to Termon, but I wouldn't bw selecting anyone based on performances in Gaeltacht competition . Club championship is where any player with aspirations of county football needs to be producing
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1075 - 02/06/2025 08:01:10
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Impressive win for Donegal in the end, Cavan were still very much in it at half time, but what a second half performance. Bringing the likes of Oisin Gallen, Jamie Brennan, Daire O'Baoill, Stephen McMenamin on really put the afterburners on and Cavan seemed to run out of steam.
Its difficult to know what to expect heading into Round 3, we have to beat Mayo, something we strangely haven't done in league or Championship since the 2012 All Ireland final. Mayo are a dangerous team, who along with Kerry can transition the ball extremely fast down the flanks. However for whatever reason Mayo do seem to switch off at times, lose focus or whatever.
I think Donegal will need to be focused and fresh to have any hope of winning, also we need high fielders Jason McGee and Caolan McGonigle back and Shaun Patton, although Mulreany put in a decent performance yesterday.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1360 - 02/06/2025 09:47:59
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Replying To eddieSize5Balls: "Ideal scenario is both games ending in a draw and we finish top (with us resting players).
I don't see us beating Mayo as they pretty much have to win in order to qualify and when our backs have been up against the wall over the last few years we shat the bed in a win or go home game.
There's very little difference finishing 2nd or 3rd so maybe we should play a weakened side. Cavan aren't beating Tyrone and if you think they will you're delusional.
Fucking losing to Tyrone has fucked us" There's a massive difference between finishing 2nd and 3rd. I've accepted we lost our top spot last week as I can't see anything but a win for Tyrone next week. If we draw a tricky away tie in the preliminary quarters then that could be the end of the road. We can beat anyone in ballybofey (the malfunction last week aside). I think talk of resting players is silly. Week on week is going to be tough on the bodies no doubt but it is what it is now and we go out to win every game.
WeGoAgain (Donegal) - Posts: 68 - 02/06/2025 10:28:59
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Replying To Scenicparish: "If Tyrone beat Cavan and Mayo beat us we will be 3rd in the Group. We could have to go to Galway or Dublin for a pre quarter final. That would be madness....." Regardless of who it is, I want to finish 2nd to secure the home game for the preliminary quarter. Ok we've lost at home to Tyrone but I'd rather be playing in Ballybofey in a pure knockout. If we finish 3rd like you say you could be travelling to Pearse Stadium or Croke Park, or even the likes of Clones if Down manage to beat Monaghan on the final day. Imagine if Meath catch Kerry on the hop and suddenly a trip to Killarney is on the cards in a prelim.
Mayo with their backs against the wall are always dangerous so it will not be easy but we should not be looking at fully resting players in my view.
However I will caveat that by saying I don't believe it's a game that is worth risking players who are not 100%. We go at it 100% with players who are fit and able to, and we don't risk aggravating injuries.
CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 197 - 02/06/2025 10:49:47
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On the match yesterday I was very happy in the stand, as was mentioned elsewhere a good crowd of Donegal got in early and dominated the stand side which was great to see. The first half was tight and I think that goal really hurt Cavan - however at the same time 7 points is not a huge lead any more in this game, and I was expecting them to come out swinging. They did the same against Mayo after actually dominating that first half and were going in 3 down, so I felt they would be thinking "we've been here before".
However I was extremely impressed with our 2nd half performance, we really put the squeeze on and played some of our best football. It was great to see Conor O'Donnell get amongst the scores, he has struggled at times this year but his talent is there for all to see in my opinion. Hopefully yesterday will give him a huge boost confidence wise now.
I was also very impressed with Mulreany considering all the inevitable commentary about the kickouts against Tyrone. Of course he's no Shaun Patton, and he had one or two dodgy ones, but that can always happen in the modern game with teams putting the press on. In general I thought he did very well and it reassured me a good bit going forward if indeed Patton won't be ready for Mayo.
Also great to see Shane O'Donnell back to form yesterday, I really think he is quietly one of our most important players, he gets on so much ball in our attacking phases.
Overall very pleased as Cavan are a talented side. In terms of going forward, unfortunately I don't believe they will get a result against Tyrone as they seem to struggle against Tyrone specifically (every county seems to have teams like that, where they just can't get over them). I think before their Ulster match this year the talk was that Cavan hadn't beaten Tyrone in league or championship since the Wee Man's Cavan side in '97?
Tyrone will also refocus now after being caught by Mayo. For all the talk that we were worried about our own tired bodies, I didn't really consider how much the Ballybofey win would have taken out of Tyrone. I really expected them to win handily at home to Mayo, the more this year goes on the more I think I don't know a thing about football!
CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 197 - 02/06/2025 10:57:48
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Replying To Scenicparish: "If Tyrone beat Cavan and Mayo beat us we will be 3rd in the Group. We could have to go to Galway or Dublin for a pre quarter final. That would be madness....." It's a tough road either way because of the 3 back to backs, if Donegal go full pelt against Mayo they then have the preliminary and either Kerry or the winners of the Monaghan/Down game I think in a QF. Maybe could get past them but Kerry waiting on us would be very very tough. Need a bit of luck with the draw I think otherwise hard to see making it to the semi final.
joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 236 - 02/06/2025 11:00:31
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This talk of somehow downing tools against mayo is not logical. Beat mayo and it's a third place team and that's someone of louth, meath/cork/Roscommon, Galway/Dublin/Derry. Lose and hope that cavan don't beat Tyrone and it's one of down/Monaghan, meath/Roscommon (ruling out meath beating Kerry), Galway/Dublin/Derry away.
The home game is important and Donegal definitely need momentum to push on and nobody wants to lose to mayo They've had our number for a good few years now. I'm still smarting from castlebar in 2019. They played with great intensity in the first half that we really struggled with and then we kicked a crazy amount of wides. Will be interesting to see where it's played.
And I did see a certain freshness yesterday in some of the players. Mccolgan definitely added something. It's great to have ban playing 2 matches in a row and games will help him. As Patton did at least some of the warm up you'd think he'd be ok for two weeks though mulreanny was plenty effective yesterday. I guess it's hard to know on the rest of the players injured. Also thought hugh McFadden put in a very decent shift.
And saying we do make it to the quarters it's likely either Kerry or monaghan (possibly down).
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 850 - 02/06/2025 11:03:26
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Replying To CCFabu: "Regardless of who it is, I want to finish 2nd to secure the home game for the preliminary quarter. Ok we've lost at home to Tyrone but I'd rather be playing in Ballybofey in a pure knockout. If we finish 3rd like you say you could be travelling to Pearse Stadium or Croke Park, or even the likes of Clones if Down manage to beat Monaghan on the final day. Imagine if Meath catch Kerry on the hop and suddenly a trip to Killarney is on the cards in a prelim.
Mayo with their backs against the wall are always dangerous so it will not be easy but we should not be looking at fully resting players in my view.
However I will caveat that by saying I don't believe it's a game that is worth risking players who are not 100%. We go at it 100% with players who are fit and able to, and we don't risk aggravating injuries." 100%
Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 522 - 02/06/2025 11:04:24
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Replying To gaelicloverdonegal: "Was watching Termon in the Gaeltacht on TG4 there, looked very impressive have a good mix of big men and pacey players.
Has Ryan McFadden been around any county panels, looked very impressive" He played u20 and was around the senior panel for a couple years. I wouldn't judge anyone by what I see in Gaeltacht, it's not even near club championship standard.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 656 - 02/06/2025 11:54:08
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Replying To CCFabu: "Regardless of who it is, I want to finish 2nd to secure the home game for the preliminary quarter. Ok we've lost at home to Tyrone but I'd rather be playing in Ballybofey in a pure knockout. If we finish 3rd like you say you could be travelling to Pearse Stadium or Croke Park, or even the likes of Clones if Down manage to beat Monaghan on the final day. Imagine if Meath catch Kerry on the hop and suddenly a trip to Killarney is on the cards in a prelim.
Mayo with their backs against the wall are always dangerous so it will not be easy but we should not be looking at fully resting players in my view.
However I will caveat that by saying I don't believe it's a game that is worth risking players who are not 100%. We go at it 100% with players who are fit and able to, and we don't risk aggravating injuries." It will be tight mayo v Donegal . Your a great team and favourites for Sam and rightly so fair play to McGuiness brought you back to the top.
Alot in mayo are not expecting to beat you.
But my God we will die with heart on our slieve trying to do so .
Best wishes to Mcstay hope he's a proud man atm I'm sure he is .
Fantastic to see Paddy Durcan back in flying form .
S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 183 - 02/06/2025 12:32:25
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Replying To CCFabu: "Regardless of who it is, I want to finish 2nd to secure the home game for the preliminary quarter. Ok we've lost at home to Tyrone but I'd rather be playing in Ballybofey in a pure knockout. If we finish 3rd like you say you could be travelling to Pearse Stadium or Croke Park, or even the likes of Clones if Down manage to beat Monaghan on the final day. Imagine if Meath catch Kerry on the hop and suddenly a trip to Killarney is on the cards in a prelim.
Mayo with their backs against the wall are always dangerous so it will not be easy but we should not be looking at fully resting players in my view.
However I will caveat that by saying I don't believe it's a game that is worth risking players who are not 100%. We go at it 100% with players who are fit and able to, and we don't risk aggravating injuries." Looks like game could be in The Hyde, as Donegal played in Cavan yesterday, hardly get same pitch two weeks in a row
jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 482 - 02/06/2025 12:48:36
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Replying To eddieSize5Balls: "Ideal scenario is both games ending in a draw and we finish top (with us resting players).
I don't see us beating Mayo as they pretty much have to win in order to qualify and when our backs have been up against the wall over the last few years we shat the bed in a win or go home game.
There's very little difference finishing 2nd or 3rd so maybe we should play a weakened side. Cavan aren't beating Tyrone and if you think they will you're delusional.
Fucking losing to Tyrone has fucked us" Your very last sentence there, that's pretty much the whole thing in a nutshell!
With the way this whole thing has panned out, it's hard not to feel a bit hard done by. You win your province and are then (if we're fortunate enough) end up in an extremely tricky preliminary route to the AI, while Armagh are already home and dry in the QF.
I know some people will say tough luck (and that's fair enough I suppose) but it really gets to me. Getting a fresh Tyrone team in the first group game, off the back of winning Ulster, is a bitter pill to swallow. I am not against the group stage system, per se, but it's like a playing a second mini-Ulster Championship again before you qualify for the quarter-final. Meanwhile, Kerry are swatting lower-level teams aside without breaking a sweat.
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Replying To CCFabu: "Regardless of who it is, I want to finish 2nd to secure the home game for the preliminary quarter. Ok we've lost at home to Tyrone but I'd rather be playing in Ballybofey in a pure knockout. If we finish 3rd like you say you could be travelling to Pearse Stadium or Croke Park, or even the likes of Clones if Down manage to beat Monaghan on the final day. Imagine if Meath catch Kerry on the hop and suddenly a trip to Killarney is on the cards in a prelim.
Mayo with their backs against the wall are always dangerous so it will not be easy but we should not be looking at fully resting players in my view.
However I will caveat that by saying I don't believe it's a game that is worth risking players who are not 100%. We go at it 100% with players who are fit and able to, and we don't risk aggravating injuries." You're spot on with all that. Hopefully we can avoid any more injuries against Mayo as the main priority. Going to be tough with the amount of games to come so we will need a full panel available. We've not had a huge pile of luck in the draw so far, playing the best 7 Ulster teams and Mayo to get to the prelim QF. Been a tough run already.
FootballGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 267 - 02/06/2025 13:11:17
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Replying To jacktheboy: "Looks like game could be in The Hyde, as Donegal played in Cavan yesterday, hardly get same pitch two weeks in a row" Assuming they don't go to Dublin I think in might be the Hyde. Though playing two matches in the same venue didn't stop them using owenbeg two weeks in a row for Tyrone in the Ulster under 20 championship. Assuming they don't want to use the same venue twice for the last of the group games then it will be interesting. I don't think they can play these matches Derry vs Dublin and Galway vs armagh in the same area. Dublin should bring crowd to wherever they go and Galway have a lot at stake against Armagh. They could go to Carrick again but Armagh have a huge amount of season tickets and stand may not not be big enough.I was thinking clones for Dublin vs Derry initially but they might try newry to stop any traffic overlap. Armagh and Galway could be cavan. Tyrone vs cavan in brewster. If Donegal had not played in cavan yesterday it surely would have been the choice so why not cavan but it won't be there clones would be fair enough too but imagine mayo would not be keen on clones against Donegal either.
Dublin vs Derry - newry
Armagh vs Galway - cavan
Kerry vs meath. Thurles
Cork vs Roscommon - Ennis
Down va Monaghan - Armagh
Louth vs Clare - portlaoise
Cavan vs Tyrone - enniskillen
Mayo vs Donegal - Roscommon
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 850 - 02/06/2025 14:52:31
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