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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Is the Leitrim COE accessible from any road except the N4? How does the parking capacity there compare to Bekan?"
Ample parking for the crowd that attended that game on Sunday. Connacht GAA Centre is situated on a busy regional road and a hour drive from the original scheduled venue.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 22/02/2022 18:03:47    2401968

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Replying To Square_B:  "The organisations will likely end up merging with each other so I doubt it's a massive priority...

https://www.gaa.ie/news/momentum-building-for-amalgamation-of-gaa-lgfa-and-camogie-association/

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gpa-calls-for-integration-of-camogie-association-and-lgfa-with-the-gaa-1.4796892

Makes complete sence... you'd probably find that most people involved in the LGFA are already involved in the GAA at some level or are a member of a GAA club. Likewise the same idea with camogie / hurling. The idea that the LGFA / Camogie Association should go off and develop their own facilities is not something I would be in favour of... an integrated Gaelic Games organisation is surely the way forward."
@Dodgy_Pass (Leitrim) @Square_B (Leitrim)
Yes, you are correct in Armagh and Waterford. I don't know if there has been anything completed in Waterford but it would be great to see. I believe Armagh are upgrading a defunct club the last few years so they haven't as much to do as starting from scratch.
The money doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's the lack of use they are nbeing allocated. By all accounts from what I am hearing, the Leitrim men's team were in Tipperary and the ladies tried to use the facility and were not even answered to phone to. Disgusting behaviour.
Yes, I also heard that other counties club teams were using the facility and it was fully booked out and unavailable due to this. I understand that the county board has to make money someway but at what cost.
No doubt that the organisations will merge. Its essentially (and I use the word loosely) a political line. If/when the organisation merges, how long will it be before they are fully integrated, another 10 years could go by and you could see the old stock still keeping them on the fence If you ask any ladies player what sport they play, would they say LGFA.. no it would be a firm GAA answer. There has been a lot of ladies stories in the paper of what they have encountered

I am more concerned by comments by other individuals
- Comparing them to a soccer or rugby team / A different organisation.
- Their own pitches. I really would like an example of how many of the 2.5k + clubs in the country have a two separate pitches for both men and women. Clubs can barely survive financially as is.. how on earth would they be able to fund their own.
How many individuals that donate or fundraiser for the county would have been as keen if they knew their wives, sisters or daughters were 'made make do with what was available'. Anyway, life is too short to reply to bigots and sexists. The GAA (encompassing the whole GAA) is the organisation today equally because of women as well as men. They might not get the plaudits as their male counterparts, because it Catholic Ireland was indrenched with removing women's rights than progressing them.. I thought we had moved on and were more of a progressive country than this.. clearly not.

leitrimlad15 (Leitrim) - Posts: 108 - 22/02/2022 20:55:05    2401991

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To get promotion what we have to do is hope Cavan beat everyone and we win the remainder of our games. I don't honestly believe London will win another game and even if they do win one more it won't be enough. They will need 10 points.

Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 442 - 23/02/2022 09:00:24    2402004

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Replying To Yondu:  "Ample parking for the crowd that attended that game on Sunday. Connacht GAA Centre is situated on a busy regional road and a hour drive from the original scheduled venue."
No, there really isn't. But you know that anyway don't you? Has to be more important matters on your Roscommon thread.

Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 23/02/2022 09:17:32    2402006

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "No, there really isn't. But you know that anyway don't you? Has to be more important matters on your Roscommon thread."
Roscommon important matters? That remark just shows you haven't a clue who you are are talking too.

And yes there is was ample parking space both in the centre and if needed next door in the Annaduff club to cater for the crowd that attended that game but anyway you would know this if you happened to ever attend the venue which i highly doubt you have.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 23/02/2022 12:17:21    2402048

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Replying To Yondu:  "Roscommon important matters? That remark just shows you haven't a clue who you are are talking too.

And yes there is was ample parking space both in the centre and if needed next door in the Annaduff club to cater for the crowd that attended that game but anyway you would know this if you happened to ever attend the venue which i highly doubt you have."
Oh I know well now. So you will have people walking on the N4 where there is barely a hard shoulder on that stretch to get from Annaduff pitch to the centre of excellence? Look, I understand your own thread isn't that exciting, but leave us to discuss Leitrim gaa matters and stop trying to derail the thread.

Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 23/02/2022 12:52:50    2402055

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If the game was in Annaduff more people would have attended though.

The only reason it was played was so that London didn't have to travel over again. Otherwise like all the other games that were postponed it would be replayed in a couple of weeks. The pitch was fine, conditions awful and we only have ourselves to blame for losing it.

Onto Dungarvan……

SeanMacDiarmada (Leitrim) - Posts: 419 - 23/02/2022 12:56:57    2402056

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "Oh I know well now. So you will have people walking on the N4 where there is barely a hard shoulder on that stretch to get from Annaduff pitch to the centre of excellence? Look, I understand your own thread isn't that exciting, but leave us to discuss Leitrim gaa matters and stop trying to derail the thread."
I walked it on my last visit there. Roughly three minutes along a fairly wide grass path. Discussion is been had already which seem to be difficult for you to engage with, maybe drop the attitude and focus away from playing the little key board warrior.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 23/02/2022 13:43:41    2402069

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Replying To SeanMacDiarmada:  "If the game was in Annaduff more people would have attended though.

The only reason it was played was so that London didn't have to travel over again. Otherwise like all the other games that were postponed it would be replayed in a couple of weeks. The pitch was fine, conditions awful and we only have ourselves to blame for losing it.

Onto Dungarvan……"
Annaduff is fine as a training facility but it can't hold a crowd.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/02/2022 15:04:52    2402085

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https://youtu.be/R900O_dDgN8

I watched this last night and just asked: Where are we going as a county? With two defeats, it's very hard to see us winning promotion (but not impossible)
However, aside from that, we are unlikely to bridge the gap with the 4 other counties who are consistently ahead of us. What can Leitrim GAA do to compete? Last year, a report said 90% of our under 14's lived within 5 clubs. Can we implement a Kerry style provincial team for smaller clubs. Enter a North/South Leitrim team in the senior championship made up of Junior/intermediate players? Should we cut our championships to 8 teams as the gap is often too big. Is our schools training good enough or Can we implement a better schools policy? How are we developing players to the best possible standard?
Simply put, I believe if we just do what everyone else is doing, they will always beat us as they all have population advantage.

LeitrimLover94 (Leitrim) - Posts: 22 - 24/02/2022 11:27:02    2402182

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "It'll be on the 3G pitch. Not sure how many can attend but I think a good bit more than in the dome under COVID regulations."
Was ballnamore or cloone not playable?? Both are better pitches than Carrick

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 354 - 24/02/2022 13:19:27    2402210

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Replying To LeitrimLover94:  "https://youtu.be/R900O_dDgN8

I watched this last night and just asked: Where are we going as a county? With two defeats, it's very hard to see us winning promotion (but not impossible)
However, aside from that, we are unlikely to bridge the gap with the 4 other counties who are consistently ahead of us. What can Leitrim GAA do to compete? Last year, a report said 90% of our under 14's lived within 5 clubs. Can we implement a Kerry style provincial team for smaller clubs. Enter a North/South Leitrim team in the senior championship made up of Junior/intermediate players? Should we cut our championships to 8 teams as the gap is often too big. Is our schools training good enough or Can we implement a better schools policy? How are we developing players to the best possible standard?
Simply put, I believe if we just do what everyone else is doing, they will always beat us as they all have population advantage."
Dunno would clubs go along with that but it is an idea. North Leitrim v South Leitrim in a county final might be a sight to see.

Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 24/02/2022 13:32:28    2402211

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "Dunno would clubs go along with that but it is an idea. North Leitrim v South Leitrim in a county final might be a sight to see."
I'd agree with you. But that in itself is one of the main problems. Are we too parochial? At the expense of development.
Very often, the gap at Feile/ u14 level isn't that big v other counties. But, those crucial years as teenagers, our players aren't challenged enough in club football and then don't develop as much as others in other counties. One thing that excited me was the Longford Leitrim u13 league or the amalgamated u13 leagues where the football is more challenging. If we could repeat that through the age gaps, challenging games develops players more. In other counties this happens naturally due to population. We need to mimic that in a non-traditional way.

LeitrimLover94 (Leitrim) - Posts: 22 - 24/02/2022 15:26:32    2402237

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hmm whatever about underage to get kids playing, I could not see oul fellas agreeing to new amalgamated clubs forming that do away with the team they dedicated a lot of their lives to keeping afloat.
But one could argue that this backwards thinking is exactly why we are going nowhere fast as a gaa county.
I have great time for London GAA and any other team in the world playing football abroad but they have only beaten hurling counties and us so far... they will likely beat Wexford and possibly Tipp but even if not, we do not deserve to get promoted on the back of last Sunday, simple as.

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 642 - 24/02/2022 16:09:36    2402247

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Replying To gaelsboy:  "hmm whatever about underage to get kids playing, I could not see oul fellas agreeing to new amalgamated clubs forming that do away with the team they dedicated a lot of their lives to keeping afloat.
But one could argue that this backwards thinking is exactly why we are going nowhere fast as a gaa county.
I have great time for London GAA and any other team in the world playing football abroad but they have only beaten hurling counties and us so far... they will likely beat Wexford and possibly Tipp but even if not, we do not deserve to get promoted on the back of last Sunday, simple as."
It works in Kerry. It's just an idea to improve standards. To be clear, I wouldn't advocate doing away with a club. To give an example, a player in Glenfarne would play Junior championship for Glenfarne but also Senior Championship for North Leitrim combination. Benefits would be its a higher grade of football and also adds two teams to senior making that more challenging.
We need something radically different that works for us. We have never had a club team win a senior Club Connacht title.
When you look at counties who broke the mould they had something unique. Eg. Armagh 2002 was based on a radically different style of football built on a Crossmaglen side, with a low population, who built an unbelievable side to break through and win all Irelands. Or the Club Tyrone model who raised standards there. Look at Monaghan, few senior teams yet punch far above their weight consistently for the last decade. I guess I'd love to hear ideas about how we could make changes to our structures to see improvement. All the focus and investment on the senior team is just a bit too late to catch up. At the end of the year, If it's just a case of let's change manager and try someone else, then I just think we are stuck in the same cycle

LeitrimLover94 (Leitrim) - Posts: 22 - 24/02/2022 19:04:00    2402264

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Replying To gaelsboy:  "hmm whatever about underage to get kids playing, I could not see oul fellas agreeing to new amalgamated clubs forming that do away with the team they dedicated a lot of their lives to keeping afloat.
But one could argue that this backwards thinking is exactly why we are going nowhere fast as a gaa county.
I have great time for London GAA and any other team in the world playing football abroad but they have only beaten hurling counties and us so far... they will likely beat Wexford and possibly Tipp but even if not, we do not deserve to get promoted on the back of last Sunday, simple as."
I wouldn't be advocating doing away with a club.
Eg A Glenfarne player may play Senior champ for North Leitrim and Intermediate champ for Glenfarne. We need to be radically different as our population is radically different to everyone else. Can we create something that works for us so we can compete. Look at Crossmglen/Armagh breaking through in 2002, they played a different style of football that worked for them to make the most of themselves. My point about North south is because we have very unique geography. We have had little underage success on which to base current senior success. Can we look at Monaghan who also have few clubs but punch above their weight? Roscommon have ClubRossy and are consistently div2-1 when a decade ago they were down in dv4 with us.
Should we forget senior investment and instead put into youth coaching? Can we link in with schools to create better training there? Our neighbours Longford base a lot of their teams off a solid base of high performance environment in St.Mel's lads, who two years ago won a U14 Leinster title. That will no doubt create a number of players for Longford in future.
I'd just love to see us have a plan that is different from drifting along hoping results will improve.

LeitrimLover94 (Leitrim) - Posts: 22 - 24/02/2022 19:32:06    2402266

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Replying To Yondu:  "Ample parking for the crowd that attended that game on Sunday. Connacht GAA Centre is situated on a busy regional road and a hour drive from the original scheduled venue."
Ballyhaunis to Knock road isn't busy unless it's August. The N4 is a busier road I would say, main Dublin to Carrick/Sligo. Bekan has better parking facilities and the carpark isn't right up to the fence beside the road like the Leitrim centre. Anyways, it's great to be talking about two great GAA facilities where a few years ago there were none.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8058 - 24/02/2022 20:10:11    2402271

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Replying To gaelsboy:  "hmm whatever about underage to get kids playing, I could not see oul fellas agreeing to new amalgamated clubs forming that do away with the team they dedicated a lot of their lives to keeping afloat.
But one could argue that this backwards thinking is exactly why we are going nowhere fast as a gaa county.
I have great time for London GAA and any other team in the world playing football abroad but they have only beaten hurling counties and us so far... they will likely beat Wexford and possibly Tipp but even if not, we do not deserve to get promoted on the back of last Sunday, simple as."
The teams that finish 1st and 2nd in the table will deserve promotion as the final table never lies.

Leitrim at a crossroads now, they either bounce back from that defeat to London or wallow in self pity.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3641 - 24/02/2022 20:29:25    2402274

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Desperately disappointed with last Sundays result. The choice to bring Emlyn in in them conditions seemed strange to me. As he is clearly better suited to fairer conditions. Games like last Sunday are won psychologically and we seemed to have dropped of in this manner from Hylands first year when we won games like this. Wicklow in Aughrim springs to mind. In regards to structure and the Monaghan example. Monaghan were blessed with super administrators eg Padraic Duffy and Sean McCague and clubs bought into their ideas and moved forward with the County Senior team and the apex of their structure. Leitrim have been lacking that type of leadership. With club agendas ruling the roost and our competitions suffering as a result. I would love to see full time administrator covering County's like Sligo Leitrim Fermanagh and Longford for example and putting best practice structures in place that would benefit the game as a whole in the county rather than. Structures to benefit the whims of club officials. PS Monaghan also have had large corporate sponsors to support them.

Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 200 - 25/02/2022 11:50:53    2402327

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All very good ideas lads. But i feel like the county board are like the lads in the Lyons tea advert, they are happy to get a decent manager on board and hope for the best, then just keep costs down after, rather than addressing the actual issues with Leitrim football other than population, as proved by Monaghan and Fermanagh (in the past), it is 15 v 15 at the end of the day, psychology does indeed come into a game like last Sunday but why we would be intimidated by London i have no idea.

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 642 - 25/02/2022 12:46:15    2402339

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