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Replying To hlynch12: "Donegal peaked too early as title no 40 going to kerry. Enjoy the holidays LOL" But you're from Limerick?
DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 122 - 23/06/2026 20:43:14
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Replying To shaggykev: "Odhran MacNiallais will be 34 next season and gaelic football has just not been the bee all and end all of his life. The commitment required is insane for intercounty level.
He was a smashing player back in 2014 but that is 12 years ago now. People have pined for her return for years but pretty sure he said no to Bonner about 6 years ago.
After a few days to reflect there does indeed appear to be something wrong with the panel and I have no idea whether they injured or are their bodies just not able to do it anymore.
Ryan McHugh, Eoghan Bán Gallagher, Peadar Mogan and Ciaran Moore. Their trademarks have been lighting pace flying out of the defence as a pack. We just have not seen it this year. Eoghan Bán has not looked the same player after a bad injury a few seasons ago, Ryan is older now but even Finnbarr Roarty seems to not be motoring.
This is the Donegal engine right here. Our trademark style but all season, we have been talking about lacking energy.
When Jim was successful first time around, whilst everyone talked about MM, really the engine was Karl Lacey. Once he lost his zip, Donegal were never going to win another All Ireland.
Yes we need to mix it and kick more and focus more on spraying the ball about but the running game is in our dna and we cannot abandon it but if guys no longer have the legs for it, we are destined to fall back into the pack unfortunately.
Superstars don't fall out of trees so maybe we have to pray Karl Lacey and co can find the talent that is currently 12-16 right now that will blossom for the next generation of talent. I don't see anyone in minors or u20s right now that is going to fundamentally improve our side to stay at the top table." Pretty sure the modern game has shown you don't need the biggest names to compete at the top level?
CyberJim (Donegal) - Posts: 4 - 23/06/2026 21:45:22
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Replying To eddieSize5Balls: "Odhrán is the big one. what a player he was. Imagine having him in the 2pt era !
Niall surely will be back and he's pretty young still.
Do Eunan's have any young player who has yet to be called in that could add to the squad?" I do wonder do you pay much attention to underage in Donegal. You mentioned some under age aodh ruadh forwards. I'm not sure who you are referring too.
Since say ciaran Moore's age group eunans have been poor at providing players to the county underage team. Luke mcGuinness on the 20s this year. Given the size of letterkenny it's a overall a little disappointing to be honest.
Four masters have had some pile of them recently with the 3carrs, mccaughan, mccahill, muldoon, monaghan, mccrea, o'neill, leneghan.
Mchugh , Gillespie and Griffin were this years minors. Some of the reids and richard o'rourke also played under age for Donegal recently enough. Four masters really should be pushing strongly to dominate in Donegal over the next while. Some will make it through to Donegal senior team as well. Mccahill did look good but hasn't played since a hamstring injury against fermanagh in the 20s.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 1029 - 23/06/2026 21:51:23
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Replying To shaggykev: "Odhran MacNiallais will be 34 next season and gaelic football has just not been the bee all and end all of his life. The commitment required is insane for intercounty level.
He was a smashing player back in 2014 but that is 12 years ago now. People have pined for her return for years but pretty sure he said no to Bonner about 6 years ago.
After a few days to reflect there does indeed appear to be something wrong with the panel and I have no idea whether they injured or are their bodies just not able to do it anymore.
Ryan McHugh, Eoghan Bán Gallagher, Peadar Mogan and Ciaran Moore. Their trademarks have been lighting pace flying out of the defence as a pack. We just have not seen it this year. Eoghan Bán has not looked the same player after a bad injury a few seasons ago, Ryan is older now but even Finnbarr Roarty seems to not be motoring.
This is the Donegal engine right here. Our trademark style but all season, we have been talking about lacking energy.
When Jim was successful first time around, whilst everyone talked about MM, really the engine was Karl Lacey. Once he lost his zip, Donegal were never going to win another All Ireland.
Yes we need to mix it and kick more and focus more on spraying the ball about but the running game is in our dna and we cannot abandon it but if guys no longer have the legs for it, we are destined to fall back into the pack unfortunately.
Superstars don't fall out of trees so maybe we have to pray Karl Lacey and co can find the talent that is currently 12-16 right now that will blossom for the next generation of talent. I don't see anyone in minors or u20s right now that is going to fundamentally improve our side to stay at the top table." In relation to stand out players it's hard to know with underage teams sometimes, especially given the way Donegal's U20s played this year. If underage football is primarily about development, then players need to be given the freedom to play and develop their skills. In the three matches I saw, they were very hard to watch.
Maybe the management felt that such a controlled style gave them the best chance of winning after just beating fermanagh but personally I'd rather see them play positive football and lose to Monaghan or Derry than win in a snore fest. What's strange is that the same management team had them playing an overall more positive football last year.
The minors certainly seemed to have more freedom, and the Minor B Championship shouldn't be dismissed by a county that has only reached one All-Ireland minor final. Any underage success is worth recognising.
One player I really feel for is Cian McMenamin. He looked impressive against Cavan in last year's U20 campaign, but then suffered a nasty injury early in the Ulster final against Tyrone and hasn't played since. That's tough.
Donegal took some heavy beatings at U15 level last year, but there have been more encouraging signs this season. The Buncrana Cup side has picked up a few wins and it was nice to see the U15s finally get a victory over Tyrone. Hopefully there are a few future stars emerging from that group.
You mention Lacey, and while it's important to have a strong academy structure, the clubs remain the foundation. They're the ones who make the biggest difference in the early stages of a player's development, and hopefully all clubs can continue to build on that progress.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 1029 - 23/06/2026 22:31:51
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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "I do wonder do you pay much attention to underage in Donegal. You mentioned some under age aodh ruadh forwards. I'm not sure who you are referring too.
Since say ciaran Moore's age group eunans have been poor at providing players to the county underage team. Luke mcGuinness on the 20s this year. Given the size of letterkenny it's a overall a little disappointing to be honest.
Four masters have had some pile of them recently with the 3carrs, mccaughan, mccahill, muldoon, monaghan, mccrea, o'neill, leneghan.
Mchugh , Gillespie and Griffin were this years minors. Some of the reids and richard o'rourke also played under age for Donegal recently enough. Four masters really should be pushing strongly to dominate in Donegal over the next while. Some will make it through to Donegal senior team as well. Mccahill did look good but hasn't played since a hamstring injury against fermanagh in the 20s." I don't pay any attention to underage outside of the county setup hence my questions. I'm only going off what's happening at senior club level. Previously weaker clubs have improved and we have some young players from those teams in the panel. I'm not sure why some of them didn't get a lookin (Muldoon for example) maybe they're injured.
My ask is, since most of you are more familiar with club and underage setup, who do we have that can come in and instantly help the senior team?
Eunan's having the largest population to choose from is why I asked about them. Not trying to stir or say one player is better than the other, I'm genuinely asking who are the 3-5 players to come in to help with the 20 or so we need to realistically challenge next year.
I know for one, Niall OD is for sure someone we need back.
I hope he does.
I thought Luke McGlynn would kick on too. But I'm not sure why he wasn't involved much over the last 2 years.
eddieSize5Balls (Donegal) - Posts: 435 - 23/06/2026 22:44:23
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As many posters have touched upon, our squad depth appears to be shallow, and Jim seems to only trust 18 or 19 players in total. We had lads in every 26, but still didn't get a single minute of football. We all know the players he trusts. And we know when Jim loses trust in you, its very hard to get that pendulum to swing back in your favour.
Jim also talked about the stats, and the metrics, and having healthy bodies taking the field.
The players that took the field in the last month have been uninjured, but were they actually fit? They definitely had no zip about them. If it was two or three players you would say that those players had been overtrained, and that those players needed to be managed differently. But the reality is that they all, almost to a man, looked sluggish. And tired bodies leads to tired minds, and vice versa.
So the question has to be, did we get the science wrong? Did we peak too soon? Would we have peaked again in 2 or 3 or 4 weeks time if we had gotten over Cork? I'm not so sure.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 938 - 24/06/2026 09:32:24
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Replying To shaggykev: "Odhran MacNiallais will be 34 next season and gaelic football has just not been the bee all and end all of his life. The commitment required is insane for intercounty level.
He was a smashing player back in 2014 but that is 12 years ago now. People have pined for her return for years but pretty sure he said no to Bonner about 6 years ago.
After a few days to reflect there does indeed appear to be something wrong with the panel and I have no idea whether they injured or are their bodies just not able to do it anymore.
Ryan McHugh, Eoghan Bán Gallagher, Peadar Mogan and Ciaran Moore. Their trademarks have been lighting pace flying out of the defence as a pack. We just have not seen it this year. Eoghan Bán has not looked the same player after a bad injury a few seasons ago, Ryan is older now but even Finnbarr Roarty seems to not be motoring.
This is the Donegal engine right here. Our trademark style but all season, we have been talking about lacking energy.
When Jim was successful first time around, whilst everyone talked about MM, really the engine was Karl Lacey. Once he lost his zip, Donegal were never going to win another All Ireland.
Yes we need to mix it and kick more and focus more on spraying the ball about but the running game is in our dna and we cannot abandon it but if guys no longer have the legs for it, we are destined to fall back into the pack unfortunately.
Superstars don't fall out of trees so maybe we have to pray Karl Lacey and co can find the talent that is currently 12-16 right now that will blossom for the next generation of talent. I don't see anyone in minors or u20s right now that is going to fundamentally improve our side to stay at the top table." Odhran MacNiallais did return for one season under Declan Bonner, I think 2021 ( I could be mistaken on that). I recall him high fielding against Roscommon in a Super 8s group match. Class player, but he just lost interest in putting in the hours required for Intercounty level, I know he was affected badly by that 2018 accident.
He is part of that lost generation of players from Gaobh Dobhair, including Kieran Gillespie (Who would have been Donegal's long-term Full back), Micheal Carroll (Should have been a key long-term player), Cian Mulligan (Attacking left wing forward). Donegal also had other players who missed out due to injuries etc, like Luke Keaney from Four Masters, he looked like a beast of a corner back (Hip troubles) and Stephen McBrearty of Kilcar, Patricks younger brother was a class footballer, also hampered by injuries.
Imagine this Donegal team if we had injury free Luke Keaney, Kieran Gillespie and Brendan McCole in the full back line, that would be arguably the best full back line in the Country. Unfortunately it wasn't to be, and not all by choice.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1898 - 24/06/2026 10:08:37
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Replying To SouthOfTheGap: "As many posters have touched upon, our squad depth appears to be shallow, and Jim seems to only trust 18 or 19 players in total. We had lads in every 26, but still didn't get a single minute of football. We all know the players he trusts. And we know when Jim loses trust in you, its very hard to get that pendulum to swing back in your favour.
Jim also talked about the stats, and the metrics, and having healthy bodies taking the field.
The players that took the field in the last month have been uninjured, but were they actually fit? They definitely had no zip about them. If it was two or three players you would say that those players had been overtrained, and that those players needed to be managed differently. But the reality is that they all, almost to a man, looked sluggish. And tired bodies leads to tired minds, and vice versa.
So the question has to be, did we get the science wrong? Did we peak too soon? Would we have peaked again in 2 or 3 or 4 weeks time if we had gotten over Cork? I'm not so sure." We got it completely wrong. Interesting listening to James Horan in a podcast this week, he said it was 'mental fatigue', he spoke about when Donegal are at their best , their handpassing is perfect, but recently it's been sloppy and other small signs like the number of times players had to make 2 attempts to pick up a ball . Jim is a legend and always will be for what he has done for our county, but he's got it badly wrong this time. I wish he'd come out and admit that instead of making excuses about the schedule, it's the same for everyone and we actually played less games that a lot of teams. If he doesn't adapt and change the game plan and preparation he won't have any success in the new game
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 790 - 24/06/2026 11:04:32
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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "In relation to stand out players it's hard to know with underage teams sometimes, especially given the way Donegal's U20s played this year. If underage football is primarily about development, then players need to be given the freedom to play and develop their skills. In the three matches I saw, they were very hard to watch.
Maybe the management felt that such a controlled style gave them the best chance of winning after just beating fermanagh but personally I'd rather see them play positive football and lose to Monaghan or Derry than win in a snore fest. What's strange is that the same management team had them playing an overall more positive football last year.
The minors certainly seemed to have more freedom, and the Minor B Championship shouldn't be dismissed by a county that has only reached one All-Ireland minor final. Any underage success is worth recognising.
One player I really feel for is Cian McMenamin. He looked impressive against Cavan in last year's U20 campaign, but then suffered a nasty injury early in the Ulster final against Tyrone and hasn't played since. That's tough.
Donegal took some heavy beatings at U15 level last year, but there have been more encouraging signs this season. The Buncrana Cup side has picked up a few wins and it was nice to see the U15s finally get a victory over Tyrone. Hopefully there are a few future stars emerging from that group.
You mention Lacey, and while it's important to have a strong academy structure, the clubs remain the foundation. They're the ones who make the biggest difference in the early stages of a player's development, and hopefully all clubs can continue to build on that progress." Thanks for that insight. I have lived away from home for years now so no longer up with the club scene as well as I should be but word I get in conversations is that the standards are not good and the football being played still has Jim's DNA on it.
The mad thing about Jim's rise was he did it with players that had all the skills. Sorry to keep harping on about Karl but he was one of the greatest tacklers ever seen. His ability to strip the ball was incredible. He could play 1-1 with any forward.
When we spend over a decade on blanket defence, defenders are less coached on the fundamentals that we grew up with and it means defenders are now exposed with forwards rightfully getting space to attack under the new rules.
This is only going to improve with time with better coaching and skills development.
Also our desire to constantly pass through the hands makes sense for us due to wind and geography etc is potentially holding us back(though Kerry must have similar wind). We need to develop the ability to attack from the foot better, get better fielders and focus on a way to get up field much faster with the foot overall. Not saying we abandon running football, just that we need variety in attack.
shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 500 - 24/06/2026 11:16:48
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Replying To greenfan: "We got it completely wrong. Interesting listening to James Horan in a podcast this week, he said it was 'mental fatigue', he spoke about when Donegal are at their best , their handpassing is perfect, but recently it's been sloppy and other small signs like the number of times players had to make 2 attempts to pick up a ball . Jim is a legend and always will be for what he has done for our county, but he's got it badly wrong this time. I wish he'd come out and admit that instead of making excuses about the schedule, it's the same for everyone and we actually played less games that a lot of teams. If he doesn't adapt and change the game plan and preparation he won't have any success in the new game" Its definitely true to an extent, like one key Donegal characteristic under Jim is that we keep the ball better than almost any other team, certainly as well as the best teams. Yet seeing Oisin Gallen and Ryan McHugh drop the ball and other handling being sloppy just didn't look right. Also transition play was laboured, even when there was no real obstacles from Dublin in certain areas.
Jim is a great manager, they got it wrong this year, but good leanings can be taken from this moving forwardl
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1898 - 24/06/2026 17:53:49
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Replying To shaggykev: "Thanks for that insight. I have lived away from home for years now so no longer up with the club scene as well as I should be but word I get in conversations is that the standards are not good and the football being played still has Jim's DNA on it.
The mad thing about Jim's rise was he did it with players that had all the skills. Sorry to keep harping on about Karl but he was one of the greatest tacklers ever seen. His ability to strip the ball was incredible. He could play 1-1 with any forward.
When we spend over a decade on blanket defence, defenders are less coached on the fundamentals that we grew up with and it means defenders are now exposed with forwards rightfully getting space to attack under the new rules.
This is only going to improve with time with better coaching and skills development.
Also our desire to constantly pass through the hands makes sense for us due to wind and geography etc is potentially holding us back(though Kerry must have similar wind). We need to develop the ability to attack from the foot better, get better fielders and focus on a way to get up field much faster with the foot overall. Not saying we abandon running football, just that we need variety in attack." Hammered Kerry in the League Final but then out of Ulster and All Ireland championship early. Surely Donegal peaked too soon this year.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2715 - 24/06/2026 18:22:25
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Replying To Commodore: "Its definitely true to an extent, like one key Donegal characteristic under Jim is that we keep the ball better than almost any other team, certainly as well as the best teams. Yet seeing Oisin Gallen and Ryan McHugh drop the ball and other handling being sloppy just didn't look right. Also transition play was laboured, even when there was no real obstacles from Dublin in certain areas.
Jim is a great manager, they got it wrong this year, but good leanings can be taken from this moving forwardl" Donegal were playing a Dublin team that are completely in transition, basically a development project under a new manager. A new manager that has been sidelined for 12 weeks up to just 8 days b4 this game. A rebuilding Dublin team with key players like Con, Basquel, Gannon, Murchan, O'Cofaigh Byrne, Costello, Bugler all under the shadow of injury, a fine performance by a Dublin team that had many more reasons to under perform than Donegal had. But "hey" Donegal were tired!
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1148 - 24/06/2026 22:23:19
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Replying To sligo joe: "Donegal were playing a Dublin team that are completely in transition, basically a development project under a new manager. A new manager that has been sidelined for 12 weeks up to just 8 days b4 this game. A rebuilding Dublin team with key players like Con, Basquel, Gannon, Murchan, O'Cofaigh Byrne, Costello, Bugler all under the shadow of injury, a fine performance by a Dublin team that had many more reasons to under perform than Donegal had. But "hey" Donegal were tired!" Dublin fans are at pains to point out that the 6 in a row team were simply a once in a lifetime group of players who came together at the right time and Dublin will now fallback into the pack.
Now despite all the above issues you pointed out yere in a quarter final and but for the extra weeks break Galway have had yed be favourites to get to the semi final (and ye still might).
Dublin arent going anywhere.
Seniorleague (Galway) - Posts: 59 - 25/06/2026 06:10:21
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Replying To sligo joe: "Donegal were playing a Dublin team that are completely in transition, basically a development project under a new manager. A new manager that has been sidelined for 12 weeks up to just 8 days b4 this game. A rebuilding Dublin team with key players like Con, Basquel, Gannon, Murchan, O'Cofaigh Byrne, Costello, Bugler all under the shadow of injury, a fine performance by a Dublin team that had many more reasons to under perform than Donegal had. But "hey" Donegal were tired!" Unless you're blind, Donegal were definitely tired. They looked gassed against Cork and Dublin. Opposite of how they played in the games before it. Probably more of a mental fatigue. You were the better team on the day and it shouldn't even have went to ET. Best of luck in the next round because you'll need it.
Extremely weird to come onto another county's forum to comment too btw
eddieSize5Balls (Donegal) - Posts: 435 - 25/06/2026 07:13:44
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Replying To eddieSize5Balls: "Unless you're blind, Donegal were definitely tired. They looked gassed against Cork and Dublin. Opposite of how they played in the games before it. Probably more of a mental fatigue. You were the better team on the day and it shouldn't even have went to ET. Best of luck in the next round because you'll need it.
Extremely weird to come onto another county's forum to comment too btw" All the county forums on HS are public not private and open to everyone and visited and commented on by all. So extremely weird for someone from another county to comment? Bizarre!
Leaving Croker on Sunday every Donegal supporter said the same "best team, well done". However Jim McGuinness then started the excuse "tired". Sure he said "don't want to take anything from Dublin"? but we're tired. The biggest reason for a team looking tired is that the other team are playing better. There has been a steady stream of comments since along the lines "how could Donegal lose, ah they were tired"
As I said Dublin had many issues coming into the game, injuries, new squad, new manager
/suspended manager but they got over them and played well and won. Donegal played as well as they were let and lost.
By the way I'm sure there is a private Donegal gaa supporters group somewhere on social media if you don't want any outside reaction to your comments. Hoganstand threads are open to all.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1148 - 25/06/2026 09:01:47
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Replying To Seniorleague: "Dublin fans are at pains to point out that the 6 in a row team were simply a once in a lifetime group of players who came together at the right time and Dublin will now fallback into the pack.
Now despite all the above issues you pointed out yere in a quarter final and but for the extra weeks break Galway have had yed be favourites to get to the semi final (and ye still might).
Dublin arent going anywhere." Look Dublin will get a lot of encouragement from beating Donegal irrespective of how it goes from here. The six in a row team had 20 plus top level players. I was just looking at the 2018 team that played Galway, Fitzsimmons, MDMA, Costello, Flynn and McManamon all came on from the bench, B. Brogan an unused sub, that's some back-up to have.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1148 - 25/06/2026 10:22:07
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Replying To sligo joe: "Donegal were playing a Dublin team that are completely in transition, basically a development project under a new manager. A new manager that has been sidelined for 12 weeks up to just 8 days b4 this game. A rebuilding Dublin team with key players like Con, Basquel, Gannon, Murchan, O'Cofaigh Byrne, Costello, Bugler all under the shadow of injury, a fine performance by a Dublin team that had many more reasons to under perform than Donegal had. But "hey" Donegal were tired!" Exactly, Dublin were poor enough too in this game, hit a truck load of wides and made enough mistakes that the normally would have been have ruthlessly punished by a top 3 side.
It highlights that Donegal were definitely not themselves, not just against this Dublin side that isn't anywhere near as good as the great Dublin side Jim Gavin had a few years back, but also it was evident a number of times this year against Cork and Down in Championship and also in some of the league games which people maybe didn't pay much heed to.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1898 - 25/06/2026 10:31:14
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Been away for a few days and had some time to digest.
I think if I'm honest, in my heart of hearts, I thought we looked a beaten docket after watching the Cork game.
Our usual slick running game wasn't there, and we made more sloppy mistakes in that one game than we probably had all year up to then. It all looked to me like a team suffering from mental and physical fatigue.
It was a similar story last Sunday. I would still give the lads huge credit though, for the way they stubbornly refused to accept defeat and forced ET. It was a tall order from there however, especially compounded by the fact that we lost McGee and Murphy for the first period of ET.
No doubt that a serious review of the year as a whole is needed. The League win is not to be sniffed at, but truth be told, we all know that not many people recall who wins the league as time moves on. It's all about the Championship, and it was ever thus.
Off the top of my head, these are things I'd like to see in 2027....
1. Less emphasis on established players playing in the League. We need to give young players their chance. If that means an inconsistent league campaign (even to the point that we're releaged) so be it.
2. Squad players should play league games for their clubs
3. Alternative tactical approach where early, direct kick-passed balls into our forwards is emphasised. I know we're a traditional hand-passing team. But I simply do not accept that we don't have the footballers who are incapable of kickpassing a ball 40 or 50 yards into space for a forward to run on to. I can recall one brilliant move in the Down game where a peach of a long diagonal ball was played into Murphy (by Mogan i think). He laid it off to an onrushing Gallen whose goal bound effort was unfortunately saved.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 10394 - 25/06/2026 11:03:52
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Replying To eddieSize5Balls: "Unless you're blind, Donegal were definitely tired. They looked gassed against Cork and Dublin. Opposite of how they played in the games before it. Probably more of a mental fatigue. You were the better team on the day and it shouldn't even have went to ET. Best of luck in the next round because you'll need it.
Extremely weird to come onto another county's forum to comment too btw" Why were Donegal tired ?
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2491 - 25/06/2026 11:21:24
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Replying To eoinog: "Why were Donegal tired ?" I agree with James Horan. Mental fatigue. Three years at high intensity and there's no doubt Jim has made mistakes.
Pundits and fans tend to twist every word out of his mouth and turn it into a story. When you actually listen to most press conferences in full, he always is complementary of opposition, gives his assessment and then a line is taken out proportion.
Now I would concede his point about scheduling makes no sense. Donegal had a brilliant opportunity this season compared to our 11 championship games last season.
We blew it by getting caught by Cork when we were cruising until 45 minute mark and suddenly found ourselves in a game and gone.
Dubs feasted on a carcass on Sunday. Like I said, without our half backs blitzing with pace, Donegal become a very ordinary side.
This one is going to hurt. Jim has a lot to learn for next season if he goes again. Maybe he can convince MM to be a super sub, maybe he can give some of the lads burnt out a good 8-9 months to come back near end of the league. Maybe he can find the raw ingredients in some overlooked places like getting Malone this season. Or maybe hes ran out of road and he's merely paused our drop back into the pack which is now going to come like it was coming in 2023 before he saved us.
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